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Fri Mar-20-09 09:15 PM
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is not responsible for what you want to worry about. of course, it's a baseless worry, as evidence shows, but regardless...
lots of people justify incursion on others rights by such a selfish metric.
"i don't want to see them gays kissin' in public. that should be illegal"
"i don't want to see a woman nursing her baby, that should be illegal"
"i don't want to see a person with an anti-choice poster that depicts an aborted fetus. that should be illegal"
"i don't want to live next to a bunch of (insert race here) people. i just don't want to have to worry about it"
etc.
sorry, your baseless worries are not the concern of the constitution.
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| -Judge Blocks Rule Permitting Concealed Guns In U.S. Parks |
RamboLiberal |
Mar-20-09 04:31 PM |
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I approve of this decision. We need some gun-free zones. nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-20-09 05:11 PM |
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Maybe, but this was decided on a technicality |
Renew Deal |
Mar-20-09 05:20 PM |
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That's not how I see it. The National Parks have been gun free until bush's |
rhett o rick |
Mar-20-09 05:42 PM |
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they have never been gun free |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 06:13 PM |
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I understand that people break the law. What's your point? Not have the laws? nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-20-09 06:22 PM |
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the point is your language is disingenuous AT BEST |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 06:29 PM |
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I do apologize. I meant gun banned zone. Which is the best I can hope for. nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-20-09 06:32 PM |
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cheers |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 06:36 PM |
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Hunting rifles are allowed at Devil's Postpile, because you have to go through the national park |
Bette Noir |
Mar-20-09 06:28 PM |
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lol. what rubbish |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 06:34 PM |
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Not rubbish. I don't want to camp next to a bunch of people carrying . |
geckosfeet |
Mar-20-09 08:10 PM |
#29 |
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Well what about this worry? |
gorfle |
Mar-20-09 08:58 PM |
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the constitution |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 09:15 PM |
#36 |
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Really, REALLY lousy argument |
hatrack |
Mar-22-09 10:56 PM |
#131 |
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Same here |
proud2BlibKansan |
Mar-21-09 08:36 AM |
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Concealed carry isn't 'unlimited'. |
AtheistCrusader |
Mar-20-09 06:39 PM |
#25 |
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"armed yahoos" |
gorfle |
Mar-20-09 08:56 PM |
#33 |
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because parks are magickal places |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 09:18 PM |
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And so is embezzelment and running a stoplight -so we should get rid of all such laws, too, right?? |
TankLV |
Mar-22-09 09:53 PM |
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That would be cool... |
The Doctor. |
Mar-20-09 05:43 PM |
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except |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 06:12 PM |
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Duh. Criminals ignore laws. That's not a reason not to have the laws. nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-20-09 06:23 PM |
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it's a reason not to call them "gun free zones" |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 06:30 PM |
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Good grief. nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-20-09 06:34 PM |
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god forbid |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 06:35 PM |
#22 |
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It is a flawed concept... |
humbled_opinion |
Mar-20-09 09:43 PM |
#39 |
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Good grief. nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-20-09 09:54 PM |
#46 |
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I take it you would rather |
humbled_opinion |
Mar-20-09 09:59 PM |
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Amen nt. |
Lorien |
Mar-20-09 11:54 PM |
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Gun-free zones require controlled access |
slackmaster |
Mar-21-09 10:13 AM |
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Just like Virginia Tech? nt |
hack89 |
Mar-21-09 01:33 PM |
#104 |
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agreed!!! |
goforit |
Mar-29-09 09:56 PM |
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Those are the 'facts' that environmental impact statements |
elleng |
Mar-20-09 05:15 PM |
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editorial cartoon |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Mar-20-09 05:23 PM |
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excellent cartoon! |
Owl |
Mar-21-09 08:09 AM |
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That should screw up a lot of right-wing assholes' vacation plans |
santamargarita |
Mar-20-09 05:52 PM |
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plenty on the left support civil rights |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 06:14 PM |
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Everywhere? Or are there limits? nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-20-09 06:25 PM |
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what is so magical about national parks |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 06:32 PM |
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We obviously disagree on what a civil right is. Continuing this discussion is pointless. nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-20-09 06:36 PM |
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civil rights are first defined in the bill of rights. try reading it and get back to us nm |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 06:44 PM |
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"try reading it and get back to us", How rude. Discussion over. nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-20-09 09:53 PM |
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translation: screw you guys, i'm going home! |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 10:01 PM |
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Whatever, there is no excuse for being rude. nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-20-09 10:18 PM |
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I think that was wahhh I lost I'm leaving. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Mar-21-09 02:08 AM |
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Back With You: Militia or Not? |
panzerfaust |
Mar-22-09 09:42 AM |
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Yep, people who legally carry concealed will go elswhere. |
Tim01 |
Mar-20-09 10:21 PM |
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Ooooohhh..... |
llmart |
Mar-20-09 10:46 PM |
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and i'm fine ignoring it, same as the last 20 years |
Pavulon |
Mar-20-09 10:48 PM |
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It was on CNN |
Tim01 |
Mar-21-09 07:32 AM |
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When I was an NRA member (dropped them in the '80s when they went cracker-dog ... |
panzerfaust |
Mar-22-09 01:04 PM |
#119 |
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Even the first President Bush...... |
llmart |
Mar-22-09 10:43 PM |
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Most people have the exact same opinion you do |
MajorChode |
Mar-23-09 01:51 PM |
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Good |
liberal N proud |
Mar-20-09 06:20 PM |
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mass shooting have only occurred in gun-free zones... |
winyanstaz |
Mar-20-09 07:32 PM |
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Wow. You are a prophet. Guess we should scrap all the gun regs so that |
geckosfeet |
Mar-20-09 08:32 PM |
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I don't agree with your fantasy logic. Nice to fantasize that having guns will protect |
rhett o rick |
Mar-20-09 09:51 PM |
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then don't come to WA state |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 10:28 PM |
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Stay out of WA? Might want to look at the Horsey cartoon higher in the thread |
panzerfaust |
Mar-22-09 07:25 AM |
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it has nothing to do with being a "gun nut" |
paulsby |
Mar-22-09 06:14 PM |
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Really? |
ismnotwasm |
Mar-29-09 12:29 PM |
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BULL SHIT...but we epect as much from you guys... |
TankLV |
Mar-22-09 09:58 PM |
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Sorry but records show that banning guns does nothing to lower crime rates. |
winyanstaz |
Mar-29-09 03:18 AM |
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And the use of knives goes up. Great Britain is in a knife epidemic right now. |
Tim01 |
Mar-29-09 09:39 AM |
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If I was a park ranger I wouldn't want people carrying in my park. |
geckosfeet |
Mar-20-09 08:08 PM |
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What about a pedestrian on main street? |
gorfle |
Mar-20-09 09:02 PM |
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i am a cop and i WANT people carrying |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 09:21 PM |
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Well said, |
razors edge |
Mar-20-09 09:46 PM |
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so anything a majority does safely |
iamthebandfanman |
Mar-20-09 09:54 PM |
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actually, i am pro |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 09:58 PM |
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Carrying a gun anywhere at any time is not a "civil right" |
MajorChode |
Mar-20-09 10:11 PM |
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rubbish |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 10:25 PM |
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If The "Partisan Politics Angle" Isn't Important To You..... |
Paladin |
Mar-20-09 10:53 PM |
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thank you |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 10:57 PM |
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The "In Group" Hereabouts Is The Democratic Party, Sport. |
Paladin |
Mar-20-09 11:13 PM |
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i am just as much a |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 11:19 PM |
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So Shoot Me...... (n/t) |
Paladin |
Mar-20-09 11:26 PM |
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no, i'll just criticize your lack of vigilance in regards to civil rights nt |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 11:30 PM |
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What a complete load of crap |
MajorChode |
Mar-20-09 11:55 PM |
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nice strawmen. and utter rubbish |
paulsby |
Mar-21-09 05:47 PM |
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You're nothing more than a broken record |
MajorChode |
Mar-22-09 01:23 PM |
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Dont let the anti types get you down. |
beevul |
Mar-21-09 11:31 AM |
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Give Us Some Evidence That The Republican Party Embraces The Brady Campaign |
Paladin |
Mar-21-09 12:46 PM |
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i support the constitution, and i had a similar experience to sarah brady |
paulsby |
Mar-21-09 05:49 PM |
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Sarah Brady Doesn't Agree With Your Position On Guns |
Paladin |
Mar-21-09 09:13 PM |
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she doesn't support |
paulsby |
Mar-21-09 09:25 PM |
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Kind of like gun nuts... |
primavera |
Mar-29-09 01:42 PM |
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At least the prohibition fools |
Pavulon |
Mar-20-09 10:58 PM |
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Bullshit |
MajorChode |
Mar-20-09 11:21 PM |
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nice strawman |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 11:27 PM |
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Ah, so "need" is not OK, but "compelling reason" is? |
MajorChode |
Mar-20-09 11:54 PM |
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If you only knew what the hell you were talking about... |
beevul |
Mar-21-09 11:16 AM |
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It doesn't matter if it were just one |
MajorChode |
Mar-22-09 01:29 PM |
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do you even read the constitution and case law. clearly not |
paulsby |
Mar-21-09 05:54 PM |
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More bullshit |
MajorChode |
Mar-22-09 01:44 PM |
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Well Said, Major C. (n/t) |
Paladin |
Mar-20-09 11:28 PM |
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Major... |
beevul |
Mar-21-09 11:22 AM |
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don't confuse the ignorati with facts |
paulsby |
Mar-21-09 05:54 PM |
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Pete and re-Pete strike again |
MajorChode |
Mar-23-09 03:23 AM |
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Collateral Damage |
NewEnglandKnowledge |
Mar-22-09 01:28 AM |
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It is a start... |
BrklynLiberal |
Mar-20-09 08:39 PM |
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Good. |
Owl |
Mar-20-09 08:40 PM |
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That's disappointing. |
Redneck Socialist |
Mar-20-09 09:44 PM |
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everyone whos posted in this thread seems confused |
iamthebandfanman |
Mar-20-09 09:50 PM |
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Open carry isn't allowed either. |
Redneck Socialist |
Mar-20-09 10:03 PM |
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where in the OP does it talk about that? |
iamthebandfanman |
Mar-20-09 10:13 PM |
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From the article... |
Redneck Socialist |
Mar-20-09 10:33 PM |
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so then you agree this article is ONLY about CONCEALED WEAPONS |
iamthebandfanman |
Mar-20-09 10:42 PM |
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No |
Tim01 |
Mar-20-09 10:50 PM |
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Hunh? |
Redneck Socialist |
Mar-20-09 11:48 PM |
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Are you saying there is no danger in National Parks? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Mar-21-09 02:09 AM |
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it's irrelevant |
paulsby |
Mar-21-09 06:00 PM |
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Posting the definition of CONCEALED WEAPON |
iamthebandfanman |
Mar-20-09 09:56 PM |
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1996 Two women have their throats slit in national park. |
Tim01 |
Mar-20-09 10:12 PM |
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or maybe he woulda still killed them |
iamthebandfanman |
Mar-20-09 10:19 PM |
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You are really going to say it is better they were murdered? |
Tim01 |
Mar-20-09 10:25 PM |
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But wait you said there was no need for weapons in National Parks. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Mar-21-09 02:12 AM |
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We'll leave it for you to argue their deaths were a good thing. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Mar-21-09 02:12 AM |
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Nobody that uses National Park backcountry wants this. |
BrightKnight |
Mar-20-09 10:30 PM |
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The people I know who hike the AT |
Tim01 |
Mar-20-09 10:41 PM |
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No AT through hiker is going to carry a gun. |
BrightKnight |
Mar-20-09 11:39 PM |
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Since I know people who carry on the AT |
Tim01 |
Mar-21-09 07:15 AM |
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Carried a 5 shot s&w up and down the AT |
Pavulon |
Mar-20-09 10:54 PM |
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I guarantee that the groups that maintain the AT don't want it. |
BrightKnight |
Mar-20-09 11:57 PM |
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Who gives a shit what they want? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Mar-21-09 02:16 AM |
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I could care less |
Pavulon |
Mar-21-09 09:38 AM |
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ah, the yahoos canard |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 11:22 PM |
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Ah, The Canard Canard (n/t) |
Paladin |
Mar-20-09 11:30 PM |
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logic trumps yer name calling hth nt |
paulsby |
Mar-20-09 11:31 PM |
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JADP - A loaded Smith & Wesson AirLite revolver weighs about 400 grams |
slackmaster |
Mar-22-09 10:10 AM |
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I favor the rule allowing guns, but I more strongly favor following the environmental laws |
petronius |
Mar-21-09 12:28 AM |
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Can everyone say Judicial Activism? |
btwhiteh |
Mar-21-09 11:40 PM |
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It's a run of the mill administrative law decision |
depakid |
Mar-22-09 01:47 AM |
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You Want To See Some Judicial Activism? |
Paladin |
Mar-22-09 10:05 AM |
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This ruling is only about concealed. Sounds like its OK to open carry in US Parks based on this. |
lynne |
Mar-22-09 01:47 PM |
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I'm with the judge. The move seemed dangerous to me |
Staneck |
Mar-22-09 02:21 PM |
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well then . . . |
jefflrrp |
Mar-22-09 07:23 PM |
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Why do you need to carry a weapon where ever you go? |
county worker |
Mar-23-09 04:06 PM |
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how DARE you question a gun owner's "need" to carry a gun everywhere all the time! |
Scout |
Mar-24-09 10:09 AM |
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GOOD - It's about time SANITY was returned to this! |
TankLV |
Mar-22-09 09:52 PM |
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I know - it's like sanity is breaking out all over! nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-23-09 03:48 PM |
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Wow, this plus the Plan B ruling - how about that? |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-23-09 03:47 PM |
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I don't know why if you are going to visit Yosemite for example you need to carry a concealed |
county worker |
Mar-23-09 04:01 PM |
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I personally don't want those same idiots who can't even store FOOD properly |
EFerrari |
Mar-29-09 07:00 PM |
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No need for guns in the National Parks? |
winyanstaz |
Mar-29-09 03:32 AM |
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Heh, its funny, I have always been against concealed weapons period |
Threedifferentones |
Mar-29-09 09:36 AM |
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When I carry concealed |
mr_smith007 |
Mar-29-09 10:17 PM |
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When I carry |
Tim01 |
Mar-29-09 10:31 PM |
#149 |
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good |
lanlady |
Mar-29-09 06:41 PM |
#145 |
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