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30. Wow. You are a prophet. Guess we should scrap all the gun regs so that
Edited on Fri Mar-20-09 08:34 PM by geckosfeet
we don't end up in a dictatorship.

By your way of thinking, if everyone had a gun crime would drop to zero because all the criminals would know better than to try anything. I don't buy that, and I am pretty sure you don't either. As a matter of fact, I think a fully armed society would see an increase in gun crime and gun violence.

I full agree with you about one thing. That it's the crazies that take their guns and go out and shoot people.

But I'm not sure that they are always crazy. These may be people who have had a bad day, or week, or life. These may be law abiding citizens who have listened to Rush one time too many. They may have just lost their job or home or family, or simply an argument.

In any case they have lost connection to society and meaning in their lives. They are lost in a dark place and they reach for what is probably the only thing that ever gave them a sense of control and power. Then they walk out into the world and take things from other people that no one has the right to take.

These people are not always crazy. I don't think a mental evaluation would be 100% effective, just as regulation is not 100% effective. Requiring a mental evaluation would probably be considered an invasion of privacy anyway. Medical and criminal history are fair game and should certainly be considered.

You will never get rid of criminals. Hell. Some of the biggest criminals in the world today work at AIG and probably don't carry.

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  -Judge Blocks Rule Permitting Concealed Guns In U.S. Parks RamboLiberal  Mar-20-09 04:31 PM   #0 
  - I approve of this decision. We need some gun-free zones. nm  rhett o rick   Mar-20-09 05:11 PM   #1 
  - Maybe, but this was decided on a technicality  Renew Deal   Mar-20-09 05:20 PM   #3 
  - That's not how I see it. The National Parks have been gun free until bush's  rhett o rick   Mar-20-09 05:42 PM   #5 
     - they have never been gun free  paulsby   Mar-20-09 06:13 PM   #9 
        - I understand that people break the law. What's your point? Not have the laws? nm  rhett o rick   Mar-20-09 06:22 PM   #12 
        - the point is your language is disingenuous AT BEST  paulsby   Mar-20-09 06:29 PM   #16 
           - I do apologize. I meant gun banned zone. Which is the best I can hope for. nm  rhett o rick   Mar-20-09 06:32 PM   #19 
              - cheers  paulsby   Mar-20-09 06:36 PM   #24 
        - Hunting rifles are allowed at Devil's Postpile, because you have to go through the national park  Bette Noir   Mar-20-09 06:28 PM   #15 
        - lol. what rubbish  paulsby   Mar-20-09 06:34 PM   #21 
        - Not rubbish. I don't want to camp next to a bunch of people carrying .  geckosfeet   Mar-20-09 08:10 PM   #29 
           - Well what about this worry?  gorfle   Mar-20-09 08:58 PM   #34 
           - the constitution  paulsby   Mar-20-09 09:15 PM   #36 
           - Really, REALLY lousy argument  hatrack   Mar-22-09 10:56 PM   #131 
           - Same here  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-21-09 08:36 AM   #97 
        - Concealed carry isn't 'unlimited'.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-20-09 06:39 PM   #25 
        - "armed yahoos"  gorfle   Mar-20-09 08:56 PM   #33 
           - because parks are magickal places  paulsby   Mar-20-09 09:18 PM   #37 
        - And so is embezzelment and running a stoplight -so we should get rid of all such laws, too, right??  TankLV   Mar-22-09 09:53 PM   #128 
  - That would be cool...  The Doctor.   Mar-20-09 05:43 PM   #6 
  - except  paulsby   Mar-20-09 06:12 PM   #8 
  - Duh. Criminals ignore laws. That's not a reason not to have the laws. nm  rhett o rick   Mar-20-09 06:23 PM   #13 
     - it's a reason not to call them "gun free zones"  paulsby   Mar-20-09 06:30 PM   #17 
        - Good grief. nm  rhett o rick   Mar-20-09 06:34 PM   #20 
           - god forbid  paulsby   Mar-20-09 06:35 PM   #22 
  - It is a flawed concept...  humbled_opinion   Mar-20-09 09:43 PM   #39 
  - Good grief. nm  rhett o rick   Mar-20-09 09:54 PM   #46 
     - I take it you would rather  humbled_opinion   Mar-20-09 09:59 PM   #49 
  - Amen nt.  Lorien   Mar-20-09 11:54 PM   #85 
  - Gun-free zones require controlled access  slackmaster   Mar-21-09 10:13 AM   #99 
  - Just like Virginia Tech? nt  hack89   Mar-21-09 01:33 PM   #104 
  - agreed!!!  goforit   Mar-29-09 09:56 PM   #147 
  - Those are the 'facts' that environmental impact statements  elleng   Mar-20-09 05:15 PM   #2 
  - editorial cartoon  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Mar-20-09 05:23 PM   #4 
  - excellent cartoon!  Owl   Mar-21-09 08:09 AM   #96 
  - That should screw up a lot of right-wing assholes' vacation plans  santamargarita   Mar-20-09 05:52 PM   #7 
  - plenty on the left support civil rights  paulsby   Mar-20-09 06:14 PM   #10 
  - Everywhere? Or are there limits? nm  rhett o rick   Mar-20-09 06:25 PM   #14 
     - what is so magical about national parks  paulsby   Mar-20-09 06:32 PM   #18 
        - We obviously disagree on what a civil right is. Continuing this discussion is pointless. nm  rhett o rick   Mar-20-09 06:36 PM   #23 
           - civil rights are first defined in the bill of rights. try reading it and get back to us nm  paulsby   Mar-20-09 06:44 PM   #26 
              - "try reading it and get back to us", How rude. Discussion over. nm  rhett o rick   Mar-20-09 09:53 PM   #44 
              - translation: screw you guys, i'm going home!  paulsby   Mar-20-09 10:01 PM   #50 
                 - Whatever, there is no excuse for being rude. nm  rhett o rick   Mar-20-09 10:18 PM   #55 
                 - I think that was wahhh I lost I'm leaving.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-21-09 02:08 AM   #89 
              - Back With You: Militia or Not?  panzerfaust   Mar-22-09 09:42 AM   #116 
  - Yep, people who legally carry concealed will go elswhere.  Tim01   Mar-20-09 10:21 PM   #57 
     - Ooooohhh.....  llmart   Mar-20-09 10:46 PM   #65 
        - and i'm fine ignoring it, same as the last 20 years  Pavulon   Mar-20-09 10:48 PM   #66 
        - It was on CNN  Tim01   Mar-21-09 07:32 AM   #95 
        - When I was an NRA member (dropped them in the '80s when they went cracker-dog ...  panzerfaust   Mar-22-09 01:04 PM   #119 
           - Even the first President Bush......  llmart   Mar-22-09 10:43 PM   #130 
              - Most people have the exact same opinion you do  MajorChode   Mar-23-09 01:51 PM   #133 
  - Good  liberal N proud   Mar-20-09 06:20 PM   #11 
  - mass shooting have only occurred in gun-free zones...  winyanstaz   Mar-20-09 07:32 PM   #27 
  - Wow. You are a prophet. Guess we should scrap all the gun regs so that  geckosfeet   Mar-20-09 08:32 PM   #30 
  - I don't agree with your fantasy logic. Nice to fantasize that having guns will protect  rhett o rick   Mar-20-09 09:51 PM   #43 
  - then don't come to WA state  paulsby   Mar-20-09 10:28 PM   #60 
     - Stay out of WA? Might want to look at the Horsey cartoon higher in the thread  panzerfaust   Mar-22-09 07:25 AM   #115 
     - it has nothing to do with being a "gun nut"  paulsby   Mar-22-09 06:14 PM   #125 
     - Really?  ismnotwasm   Mar-29-09 12:29 PM   #143 
  - BULL SHIT...but we epect as much from you guys...  TankLV   Mar-22-09 09:58 PM   #129 
     - Sorry but records show that banning guns does nothing to lower crime rates.  winyanstaz   Mar-29-09 03:18 AM   #139 
     - And the use of knives goes up. Great Britain is in a knife epidemic right now.  Tim01   Mar-29-09 09:39 AM   #142 
  - If I was a park ranger I wouldn't want people carrying in my park.  geckosfeet   Mar-20-09 08:08 PM   #28 
  - What about a pedestrian on main street?  gorfle   Mar-20-09 09:02 PM   #35 
  - i am a cop and i WANT people carrying  paulsby   Mar-20-09 09:21 PM   #38 
     - Well said,  razors edge   Mar-20-09 09:46 PM   #41 
     - so anything a majority does safely  iamthebandfanman   Mar-20-09 09:54 PM   #45 
     - actually, i am pro  paulsby   Mar-20-09 09:58 PM   #48 
     - Carrying a gun anywhere at any time is not a "civil right"  MajorChode   Mar-20-09 10:11 PM   #52 
     - rubbish  paulsby   Mar-20-09 10:25 PM   #59 
     - If The "Partisan Politics Angle" Isn't Important To You.....  Paladin   Mar-20-09 10:53 PM   #68 
     - thank you  paulsby   Mar-20-09 10:57 PM   #70 
     - The "In Group" Hereabouts Is The Democratic Party, Sport.  Paladin   Mar-20-09 11:13 PM   #72 
     - i am just as much a  paulsby   Mar-20-09 11:19 PM   #73 
        - So Shoot Me...... (n/t)  Paladin   Mar-20-09 11:26 PM   #76 
        - no, i'll just criticize your lack of vigilance in regards to civil rights nt  paulsby   Mar-20-09 11:30 PM   #80 
        - What a complete load of crap  MajorChode   Mar-20-09 11:55 PM   #86 
           - nice strawmen. and utter rubbish  paulsby   Mar-21-09 05:47 PM   #105 
              - You're nothing more than a broken record  MajorChode   Mar-22-09 01:23 PM   #120 
     - Dont let the anti types get you down.  beevul   Mar-21-09 11:31 AM   #102 
        - Give Us Some Evidence That The Republican Party Embraces The Brady Campaign  Paladin   Mar-21-09 12:46 PM   #103 
        - i support the constitution, and i had a similar experience to sarah brady  paulsby   Mar-21-09 05:49 PM   #106 
           - Sarah Brady Doesn't Agree With Your Position On Guns  Paladin   Mar-21-09 09:13 PM   #110 
              - she doesn't support  paulsby   Mar-21-09 09:25 PM   #111 
        - Kind of like gun nuts...  primavera   Mar-29-09 01:42 PM   #144 
     - At least the prohibition fools  Pavulon   Mar-20-09 10:58 PM   #71 
     - Bullshit  MajorChode   Mar-20-09 11:21 PM   #74 
        - nice strawman  paulsby   Mar-20-09 11:27 PM   #77 
        - Ah, so "need" is not OK, but "compelling reason" is?  MajorChode   Mar-20-09 11:54 PM   #84 
           - If you only knew what the hell you were talking about...  beevul   Mar-21-09 11:16 AM   #100 
           - It doesn't matter if it were just one  MajorChode   Mar-22-09 01:29 PM   #121 
           - do you even read the constitution and case law. clearly not  paulsby   Mar-21-09 05:54 PM   #107 
              - More bullshit  MajorChode   Mar-22-09 01:44 PM   #122 
        - Well Said, Major C. (n/t)  Paladin   Mar-20-09 11:28 PM   #78 
     - Major...  beevul   Mar-21-09 11:22 AM   #101 
        - don't confuse the ignorati with facts  paulsby   Mar-21-09 05:54 PM   #108 
           - Pete and re-Pete strike again  MajorChode   Mar-23-09 03:23 AM   #132 
     - Collateral Damage  NewEnglandKnowledge   Mar-22-09 01:28 AM   #113 
  - It is a start...  BrklynLiberal   Mar-20-09 08:39 PM   #31 
  - Good.  Owl   Mar-20-09 08:40 PM   #32 
  - That's disappointing.  Redneck Socialist   Mar-20-09 09:44 PM   #40 
  - everyone whos posted in this thread seems confused  iamthebandfanman   Mar-20-09 09:50 PM   #42 
  - Open carry isn't allowed either.  Redneck Socialist   Mar-20-09 10:03 PM   #51 
  - where in the OP does it talk about that?  iamthebandfanman   Mar-20-09 10:13 PM   #54 
     - From the article...  Redneck Socialist   Mar-20-09 10:33 PM   #62 
        - so then you agree this article is ONLY about CONCEALED WEAPONS  iamthebandfanman   Mar-20-09 10:42 PM   #64 
           - No  Tim01   Mar-20-09 10:50 PM   #67 
           - Hunh?  Redneck Socialist   Mar-20-09 11:48 PM   #83 
  - Are you saying there is no danger in National Parks?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-21-09 02:09 AM   #90 
     - it's irrelevant  paulsby   Mar-21-09 06:00 PM   #109 
  - Posting the definition of CONCEALED WEAPON  iamthebandfanman   Mar-20-09 09:56 PM   #47 
  - 1996 Two women have their throats slit in national park.  Tim01   Mar-20-09 10:12 PM   #53 
  - or maybe he woulda still killed them  iamthebandfanman   Mar-20-09 10:19 PM   #56 
     - You are really going to say it is better they were murdered?  Tim01   Mar-20-09 10:25 PM   #58 
     - But wait you said there was no need for weapons in National Parks.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-21-09 02:12 AM   #91 
     - We'll leave it for you to argue their deaths were a good thing.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-21-09 02:12 AM   #92 
  - Nobody that uses National Park backcountry wants this.  BrightKnight   Mar-20-09 10:30 PM   #61 
  - The people I know who hike the AT  Tim01   Mar-20-09 10:41 PM   #63 
  - No AT through hiker is going to carry a gun.  BrightKnight   Mar-20-09 11:39 PM   #82 
     - Since I know people who carry on the AT  Tim01   Mar-21-09 07:15 AM   #94 
  - Carried a 5 shot s&w up and down the AT  Pavulon   Mar-20-09 10:54 PM   #69 
  - I guarantee that the groups that maintain the AT don't want it.  BrightKnight   Mar-20-09 11:57 PM   #87 
     - Who gives a shit what they want?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-21-09 02:16 AM   #93 
     - I could care less  Pavulon   Mar-21-09 09:38 AM   #98 
  - ah, the yahoos canard  paulsby   Mar-20-09 11:22 PM   #75 
  - Ah, The Canard Canard (n/t)  Paladin   Mar-20-09 11:30 PM   #79 
     - logic trumps yer name calling hth nt  paulsby   Mar-20-09 11:31 PM   #81 
  - JADP - A loaded Smith & Wesson AirLite revolver weighs about 400 grams  slackmaster   Mar-22-09 10:10 AM   #118 
  - I favor the rule allowing guns, but I more strongly favor following the environmental laws  petronius   Mar-21-09 12:28 AM   #88 
  - Can everyone say Judicial Activism?  btwhiteh   Mar-21-09 11:40 PM   #112 
  - It's a run of the mill administrative law decision  depakid   Mar-22-09 01:47 AM   #114 
  - You Want To See Some Judicial Activism?  Paladin   Mar-22-09 10:05 AM   #117 
  - This ruling is only about concealed. Sounds like its OK to open carry in US Parks based on this.  lynne   Mar-22-09 01:47 PM   #123 
  - I'm with the judge. The move seemed dangerous to me  Staneck   Mar-22-09 02:21 PM   #124 
  - well then . . .  jefflrrp   Mar-22-09 07:23 PM   #126 
     - Why do you need to carry a weapon where ever you go?  county worker   Mar-23-09 04:06 PM   #137 
        - how DARE you question a gun owner's "need" to carry a gun everywhere all the time!  Scout   Mar-24-09 10:09 AM   #138 
  - GOOD - It's about time SANITY was returned to this!  TankLV   Mar-22-09 09:52 PM   #127 
  - I know - it's like sanity is breaking out all over! nt  JerseygirlCT   Mar-23-09 03:48 PM   #135 
  - Wow, this plus the Plan B ruling - how about that?  JerseygirlCT   Mar-23-09 03:47 PM   #134 
  - I don't know why if you are going to visit Yosemite for example you need to carry a concealed  county worker   Mar-23-09 04:01 PM   #136 
  - I personally don't want those same idiots who can't even store FOOD properly  EFerrari   Mar-29-09 07:00 PM   #146 
  - No need for guns in the National Parks?  winyanstaz   Mar-29-09 03:32 AM   #140 
  - Heh, its funny, I have always been against concealed weapons period  Threedifferentones   Mar-29-09 09:36 AM   #141 
  - When I carry concealed  mr_smith007   Mar-29-09 10:17 PM   #148 
  - When I carry  Tim01   Mar-29-09 10:31 PM   #149 
  - good  lanlady   Mar-29-09 06:41 PM   #145 

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