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RexDart Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 06:43 PM
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57. My logic as to why it should be overturned.
It's simply a matter of equal protection. I don't think Prop 8 made mention of those that are already married. If 8 is upheld (gods forbid), then you not only have rights that are not offered to a group, but you have different rights to members of _that same group_. Unless the plan is to go back and strip away that also, but I can't think that would fly.

On the other hand, sometimes I wonder if I'm really that smart.
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  -Justices seem to be leaning in favor of Prop. 8 jannyk  Mar-06-09 03:40 AM   #0 
  - *JAW DROPS!*  comtec   Mar-06-09 07:12 AM   #1 
  - What happened?  Bluenorthwest   Mar-06-09 08:19 AM   #5 
  - No, threats of recalls happened.  haele   Mar-06-09 08:55 AM   #11 
     - Think Rose Bird  tonysam   Mar-06-09 10:32 AM   #42 
     - You know what?  Le Taz Hot   Mar-06-09 10:38 AM   #43 
  - I don't know, but it's tragic.  closeupready   Mar-06-09 09:14 AM   #23 
  - "There have been initiatives that have taken away rights from minorities by majority vote" and have  WillBowden   Mar-06-09 07:12 AM   #2 
  - Proposition 209 would be the most classic case of it  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 08:52 AM   #10 
  - Different legal issue.  Maat   Mar-06-09 10:08 AM   #39 
     - Thanks for the response  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 06:25 PM   #56 
        - The right to marry will win out, in my humble opinion.  Maat   Mar-06-09 08:20 PM   #58 
           - If amending a constitution is a fundamental right  GinaMaria   Mar-07-09 06:09 PM   #61 
              - I've never seen such a right recognized.  Maat   Mar-07-09 08:17 PM   #62 
  - As much as it pains me, I agree that once the amendment is in, then it is in  AngryAmish   Mar-06-09 08:56 AM   #14 
  - The issue at hand is not whether it CAN be done but HOW it can be done.  Hassin Bin Sober   Mar-06-09 09:12 AM   #19 
     - Simple  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 09:15 AM   #24 
     - I guess I should have been more clear.  Hassin Bin Sober   Mar-06-09 09:26 AM   #27 
        - Arguments made and examples cited by the pro-8 side pretty well torpedoed that view IMO  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 09:29 AM   #28 
           - I wondering then why you think there is still hope or a 50/50 shot at overturning 8?  Hassin Bin Sober   Mar-06-09 09:46 AM   #34 
              - Beating it would have to hinge on equal protection  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 09:49 AM   #36 
                 - I see. That would require a trip to the USSC. No?  Hassin Bin Sober   Mar-06-09 09:55 AM   #37 
                    - I don't believe so  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 12:30 PM   #46 
                       - I don't think you need to be a protected class to argue equal protection, do you?  Hassin Bin Sober   Mar-06-09 01:28 PM   #50 
                          - Not really, but it couldn't hurt  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 01:29 PM   #51 
     - Is there a part of the Cali const. that says you need 2/3 to take away civil rights?  AngryAmish   Mar-06-09 09:21 AM   #26 
     - The issue is whether this was a major "revision" requiring a two thirds majority of the legislature.  Hassin Bin Sober   Mar-06-09 09:31 AM   #29 
        - The discussion of what constitutes an amendment vs. a revision was lengthy and inconclusive  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 09:37 AM   #32 
        - see - my ignorance is showing  AngryAmish   Mar-06-09 09:55 AM   #38 
     - It depends on what the court thinks is a inalienable right.  Renew Deal   Mar-06-09 12:44 PM   #49 
  - What I don't understand is why is THAT particular point even being brought up?  Hassin Bin Sober   Mar-06-09 09:08 AM   #17 
  - and the courts are there to make sure this kind of crap  GinaMaria   Mar-07-09 06:04 PM   #60 
  - Let's be ready with a new ballot initiative to re-legalize gay marriage  bluestateguy   Mar-06-09 07:22 AM   #3 
  - I suspect the next move for the fundies will be to submit legislation  NorthCarolina   Mar-06-09 07:48 AM   #4 
  - The initiative process is established in the state constitution, not by statute  TechBear_Seattle   Mar-06-09 08:39 AM   #6 
  - I suggest doing it immediately rather than waiting for "old farts" like me to die off  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 08:55 AM   #12 
  - Are they gonna let Californians decide or religious nuts from Utah?  AlbertCat   Mar-06-09 08:44 AM   #7 
  - Utahans can't vote in California  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 08:56 AM   #13 
     - They may not be able to vote...but they can pay up.  AlbertCat   Mar-06-09 09:10 AM   #18 
        - Yes, we California voters are all mind-numbed robots who do what our TV tells us to do  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 09:12 AM   #20 
           - Advertising has no influence. That's why so many pay so many millions for it, whether they are  No Elephants   Mar-06-09 09:34 AM   #30 
           - Pardon my sarcasm - I was a campaign manager for a city council candidate last year  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 09:39 AM   #33 
           - 52% of you are. nt  La Lioness Priyanka   Mar-06-09 10:13 AM   #41 
              - Gay marriage legal in NY is it?  Le Taz Hot   Mar-06-09 10:45 AM   #44 
                 - i am not saying that other states are better or worse. just that people are influenced heavily by  La Lioness Priyanka   Mar-06-09 12:06 PM   #45 
                    - Me too.  Le Taz Hot   Mar-06-09 12:38 PM   #47 
                       - whatever. since you are hell ben on misconstruing my post, i could care less  La Lioness Priyanka   Mar-06-09 12:40 PM   #48 
  - The cases had solid legal reasoning -  Ms. Toad   Mar-06-09 08:45 AM   #8 
  - Other than that assistant AG stammering, both sides presented strong cases IMO  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 08:57 AM   #15 
     - Good.  Ms. Toad   Mar-06-09 09:12 AM   #21 
  - I listened to most of the arguments, and would not be so quick to glean the justices' positions  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 08:48 AM   #9 
  - The problem is that it is too easy to amend the California Constitution  Nye Bevan   Mar-06-09 09:02 AM   #16 
  - The amendment process can be changed  slackmaster   Mar-06-09 09:12 AM   #22 
  - That's the problem with most state constitutions.  Ms. Toad   Mar-06-09 09:19 AM   #25 
     - Exactly!  Maat   Mar-06-09 10:11 AM   #40 
  - So, these justices would have no problem with the required majority repealing the  No Elephants   Mar-06-09 09:36 AM   #31 
  - Telling people who they can or can't marry is stupid.  Tim01   Mar-06-09 09:46 AM   #35 
  - Disgusting. Rights should NOT be legislated away at the whim of well-heeled bigots  Runcible Spoon   Mar-06-09 02:26 PM   #52 
  - Delicense marrage  John Kerry VonErich   Mar-06-09 05:56 PM   #53 
  - Damn, California  Sultana   Mar-06-09 06:01 PM   #54 
  - They'll Wish they Over-turned Prop 8  fascisthunter   Mar-06-09 06:12 PM   #55 
  - My logic as to why it should be overturned.  RexDart   Mar-06-09 06:43 PM   #57 
  - Well, new campaign to fight  Downtown Hound   Mar-07-09 05:44 PM   #59 

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