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Land Shark (1000+ posts)

Tue Mar-03-09 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #4

34. Being FREE means being able to make mistakes... (speaking of your response title only)

the balance of the text declares "emergency state" declarations are all "basically legal" -- a highly dubious legal proposition. "Law" is the tool of every tyrant because mere law is nothing less than force itself. Compliance with Justice, Inalienable rights and proper interpretations of duly people-enacted constitutional provisions as well as their underlying principles are all necessary to rescue law and make it Justice. In the meantime, law may and always does parade around as Justice itself, though it is not.

The portions of the post that deal with historical German coalition facts are unobjectionable, though I can't verify them as facts, I assume they are. The legal conclusions implying that a ruler in a free society can declare an "emergency State" as Hitler did and make themselves Dictator are pure baloney -- unless a very narrow defition of "legal" is used in which case it misleads the reader into thinking Hitler's totalitarian powers were Just in any meaningful sense.

Again, dictators and tyrants ALWAYS cloak their abuses in law, so one has to be careful with using the term "legal" in this and related contexts.

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Germany's highest court declares election computers unconstitutional (source in german)	DetlefK	Mar-03-09 06:31 AM	#0
You'd expect the Gemans to be very cautious about Electoral Fraud.	tom_paine	Mar-03-09 06:34 AM	#1
Ye must be burned again...	Hubert Flottz	Mar-03-09 07:06 AM	#3
Hitler was elected ...	Redwraithvienna	Mar-03-09 07:19 AM	#4
Hitler like Bush, was sElected...	Hubert Flottz	Mar-03-09 08:38 AM	#9
Here's a gem from Der Spiegel 6/2007 from the techies	Karenina	Mar-03-09 02:27 PM	#23
Hi Karenina!	Hubert Flottz	Mar-03-09 05:14 PM	#29
Eyewitness accounts say otherwise.	tom_paine	Mar-03-09 12:20 PM	#16
no as a person he was not elected ...	Redwraithvienna	Mar-03-09 01:45 PM	#20
Then I would doubly suggest you read these three books:	tom_paine	Mar-03-09 02:02 PM	#22
And. . . don't forget the Reichstag Fire .... the burning down of Parliament . . .	defendandprotect	Mar-03-09 03:44 PM	#26
Since the days of Reagan/Ollie North the fascists have been looking to overturn . ..	defendandprotect	Mar-03-09 03:24 PM	#25
FEMA-Homeland Security	spag68	Mar-03-09 06:43 PM	#31
Being FREE means being able to make mistakes... (speaking of your response title only)	Land Shark	Mar-03-09 09:03 PM	#34
K&R Good.	pleah	Mar-03-09 06:52 AM	#2
What pleah said	Turborama	Mar-03-09 07:21 AM	#5
thumbs up for the Bundesverfassungsgericht n/t	reorg	Mar-03-09 07:42 AM	#6
A supreme court that acts to preserve democracy	Alcibiades	Mar-03-09 08:17 AM	#7
This is great news and needs to be trumpeted loud and clear. K&R!!!	Stevepol	Mar-03-09 08:28 AM	#8
It's not that 2+2=4	RaleighNCDUer	Mar-03-09 10:00 AM	#11
It already HAS BEEN DONE (making 2+2 =5)	Land Shark	Mar-03-09 09:09 PM	#35
I agree - it HAS been done here.	RaleighNCDUer	Mar-04-09 02:36 PM	#42
When will the Dems in congress get around to finally addressing these slimy voting machines 90% of	GreenTea	Mar-03-09 09:46 AM	#10
Paging the U.S. Congress. Paging the U.S. Congress.	No Elephants	Mar-03-09 10:11 AM	#12
First the U.S. Congress has to acknowledge election fraud.	SammyWinstonJack	Mar-03-09 11:31 AM	#13
The public/the people can blow right past Congress.	Land Shark	Mar-03-09 09:14 PM	#36
K & R! Maybe our Supremes Court will eventually get it. n/t	RoccoR5955	Mar-03-09 11:41 AM	#14
RE: K & R! Maybe our Supremes Court will eventually get it. n/t	alemoine85	Mar-03-09 01:50 PM	#21
Is that sarcasm . . . ??	defendandprotect	Mar-03-09 03:50 PM	#27
Our SC has been Bushstacked. With Fat Tony, Scalito, and Roberts running the show,	tblue37	Mar-04-09 12:29 AM	#40
Will we be smart enough to do this? I doubt it.	JohnWxy	Mar-03-09 12:17 PM	#15
"Smart enough" . .. . ???	defendandprotect	Mar-03-09 03:51 PM	#28
If "We" means the People of the USA, 92% of us are already "smart enough"!! (WHO's not satisfied??)	Land Shark	Mar-03-09 09:21 PM	#38
Thank you Germany	lovuian	Mar-03-09 12:52 PM	#17
K&R	leftstreet	Mar-03-09 01:44 PM	#18
Great that the Germans get it, and sad that we Americans still do not. n/t	truedelphi	Mar-03-09 01:45 PM	#19
Hey, they looked at America and said "What could go wrong?... A LOT!"	AlbertCat	Mar-03-09 02:33 PM	#24
They can do this stuff in Europe because corporations don't own the national legislatures.	salguine	Mar-03-09 05:39 PM	#30
They don't own but they still lobby a lot nt	conspirator	Mar-04-09 09:02 AM	#41
Unbelievably GREAT decision!!! K&R with gusto! nt	2 Much Tribulation	Mar-03-09 08:32 PM	#32
When are we going to figure this out?	santamargarita	Mar-03-09 08:38 PM	#33
Here's the poll that "WE" figured this out long ago, record-high poll results	Land Shark	Mar-03-09 09:18 PM	#37
The People do not require the Congress for an amendment.	ToolTex	Mar-03-09 11:38 PM	#39

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