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143. Automatic weapons were restricted 75 years ago, under the National Firearms Act of 1934.
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 08:15 AM by benEzra
Automatic weapons were restricted 75 years ago, under the National Firearms Act of 1934.

The "assault weapon" fraud is about banning the most popular civilian semiautos in America, and doesn't touch a single automatic weapon.

The most recent version was H.R.1022, but it's the same every year. (click "Full Text" to read it)

All models and variants of the Ruger Mini-14 (photo below) would be banned by name by Section 3.(a)(30)(A)(xviii).

Ruger Mini-14

Section 3.(a)(30)(A) also bans, by name, the M1 Carbine, AR-15's (the most popular centerfire target rifle in America), AR-10's, FAL's and variants, Kel-Tecs, and a bunch of other civilian autoloading rifles and carbines.


3.(a)(30)(D)(iii) and 3.(a)(30)(H)(ii) bans all civilian autoloading rifles and shotguns with protruding handgrips or thumbhole target stocks, and rifles with threaded muzzles. That nails a lot of popular autoloading guns that aren't banned by name, a lot of defensive-style shotguns, some hunting guns, etc. That would include the Remington 7400 with a thumbhole target stock and the Browning BAR with a BOSS harmonic damper.

Benelli turkey hunting shotgun, 12-gauge

Browning BAR Mk II Safari Grade, .300 WSSM

3.(a)(30)(H)(iii) bans all civilian autoloading shotguns with detachable magazines.

3.(a)(30)(H)(iv) bans all civilian autoloading shotguns that hold more than 5 shells of any length.

3.(a)(30)(L) bans the SKS, M1 Garand, and other autoloaders that started out as military weapons, unless exempted from the ban by the Attorney General--unlikely, since the VPC labels them "assault weapons," and they are absolutely no different from the M1 carbine, the AR-15, Saigas, etc. that are banned by name. It also bans any autoloading rifle or shotgun that has ever been adopted by any Federal law enforcement agency, unless specifically exempted by the Attorney General. That would also nail a bunch of civilian autoloading shotguns, including a lot of Benellis.

M1 Garand, .30-06


Again, not a single automatic weapon in the bunch.

It also doesn't just ban "large" magazines; it bans any magazine that holds more than fricking 10 rounds, which turns the clock back to the 1860's as far as civilian firearms go. That is outrageous, considering the most popular centerfire pistols and rifles in America hold 12-30 rounds. Of course, banning or hobbling the most popular civilian guns in America is precisely the point of the legislation.

BTW, your confusion about what the legislation really covers was intentional on the part of the gun-control lobby. From the 1988 Violence Policy Center strategy paper that launched the "assault weapon" fraud:

The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun--can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.

You've been had.
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  - This is good news.  Brucie Kibbutz   Feb-26-09 02:36 PM   #30 
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     - The gun confiscations in New Orleans were illegal  slackmaster   Feb-28-09 08:28 AM   #146 
        - So is the war in Iraq . . .  defendandprotect   Feb-28-09 11:45 PM   #159 
  - Good call by Pelosi  appal_jack   Feb-26-09 02:57 PM   #33 
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  - Doesn't everyone need an assault weapon?  Vinca   Feb-26-09 04:22 PM   #42 
  - No  slackmaster   Feb-26-09 04:38 PM   #45 
  - That kid murdered with a plain old "youth" shotgun  RamboLiberal   Feb-26-09 05:12 PM   #48 
  - I'm aware of that. Think of how many more he could have taken  Vinca   Feb-27-09 06:36 AM   #90 
     - "Assault weapons" fire exactly once when the trigger is pulled,  benEzra   Feb-27-09 01:08 PM   #109 
  - Everyone needs fewer Republicans getting elected.  Brucie Kibbutz   Feb-26-09 05:27 PM   #49 
  - I don't trust the government to "decide" what guns I need  bluestateguy   Feb-27-09 04:58 AM   #88 
     - Oh Please....  depakid   Feb-28-09 03:02 PM   #156 
  - good!! nt  guitar man   Feb-26-09 04:30 PM   #43 
  - Good.  Doremus   Feb-26-09 04:30 PM   #44 
  - Ah, Nancy...  badgervan   Feb-26-09 05:58 PM   #51 
  - The most popular centerfire target rifles in America are used only to "mow down human beings"?  benEzra   Feb-26-09 06:05 PM   #53 
  - Answer....  badgervan   Feb-27-09 05:22 PM   #121 
  - Because every single one of those rifles would be banned as an "assault weapon" by H.R.1022...  benEzra   Feb-27-09 05:54 PM   #129 
  - Target rifle's?  TXRAT2   Feb-28-09 07:43 AM   #139 
     - No, this is the target rifle I was speaking of:  benEzra   Feb-28-09 07:50 AM   #141 
  - right, and handguns too!  Johnyawl   Feb-26-09 06:56 PM   #58 
  - Despite your opinion of what they are designed for,  Brucie Kibbutz   Feb-26-09 07:16 PM   #59 
  - Answer  badgervan   Feb-27-09 05:26 PM   #122 
     - I have no problem with the existing tight controls on full autos.  benEzra   Feb-27-09 06:06 PM   #132 
  - Agree . . . thanks for telling the truth -- !!!  defendandprotect   Feb-26-09 08:31 PM   #66 
  - The truth?  benEzra   Feb-26-09 09:36 PM   #74 
     - Ah, "Girls Gone Wild," eh . . . guns are sexy . . . ???  defendandprotect   Feb-26-09 10:27 PM   #79 
     - To equate a female police officer with girls gone wild, congrats todays worst person in the world.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-26-09 11:38 PM   #85 
     - Huh?  benEzra   Feb-27-09 07:08 AM   #91 
     - What a sexist attitude.  Lilith Velkor   Feb-27-09 08:09 AM   #95 
     - Nope...  badgervan   Feb-27-09 05:29 PM   #123 
     - No, all Title 1 "assault weapons" are NON-automatic  benEzra   Feb-27-09 06:05 PM   #131 
     - Fully automatic firearms have been strictly regulated since 1934  slackmaster   Feb-28-09 08:49 AM   #152 
     - You Make a False Equivalency....  badgervan   Feb-27-09 05:36 PM   #125 
        - No, the "assault weapon" issue is solely about non-automatic, NFA Title 1 civilian firearms.  benEzra   Feb-27-09 05:58 PM   #130 
        - We're Talking About Two Different Bills  badgervan   Feb-27-09 09:23 PM   #136 
        - There is no bill outlawing automatics  hack89   Feb-27-09 09:35 PM   #138 
        - Automatic weapons were restricted 75 years ago, under the National Firearms Act of 1934.  benEzra   Feb-28-09 08:12 AM   #143 
        - The Assault Weapons ban..  sendero   Feb-28-09 07:52 AM   #142 
        - Sorry I missed this one earlier - Thanks for proving without any doubt that you are misinformed  slackmaster   Feb-28-09 08:33 AM   #148 
  - assault weapons are designed, made, and used for one purpose only: to mow down human beings.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-26-09 09:52 PM   #77 
  - Thanks  badgervan   Feb-27-09 05:46 PM   #126 
     - Who's talking about un-restricting automatic weapons?  benEzra   Feb-27-09 06:07 PM   #133 
  - Thank you. nt  Lorien   Feb-26-09 10:36 PM   #81 
  - Thank you --  defendandprotect   Feb-27-09 11:42 AM   #104 
  - Hmm, I wonder...  virginia mountainman   Feb-27-09 06:22 AM   #89 
  - Do You Equate....  badgervan   Feb-27-09 05:31 PM   #124 
     - Police ARE civilians, and (outside of SWAT) usually use civilian weapons.  benEzra   Feb-27-09 05:50 PM   #128 
        - HuH?  badgervan   Feb-27-09 09:29 PM   #137 
           - SWAT teams are generally organized along paramilitary lines...  benEzra   Feb-28-09 07:46 AM   #140 
  - No, "assault weapon" was an arbitrary category based on appearance, not function  slackmaster   Feb-28-09 08:30 AM   #147 
  - Good news indeed, and I was going to buy a Romanian AK  ileus   Feb-26-09 06:24 PM   #57 
  - Good  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-26-09 09:18 PM   #70 
  - Good! Now the Rethugs can't make the "They'll take away your guns!" arguement.  Crowman1979   Feb-26-09 10:09 PM   #78 
  - Actually, even with Ms. Pelosi dousing the flames ...  FudaFuda   Feb-26-09 10:45 PM   #83 
  - Oh yes they can, they are, and it's working  slackmaster   Feb-28-09 08:35 AM   #149 
  - My Godess, are the Dems actually starting to get it?  OffWithTheirHeads   Feb-26-09 11:38 PM   #84 
  - Good  bluestateguy   Feb-27-09 04:29 AM   #86 
  - This person who grew up in a rural area says THANK GOD.  Odin2005   Feb-27-09 07:50 AM   #92 
  - Good for Nancy.  OnionPatch   Feb-27-09 08:01 AM   #93 
  - Well, I originally thought a statement like this by Holder had to be cleared  riverdeep   Feb-27-09 08:03 AM   #94 
  - Somebody needs to get a hold of Holder  Renew Deal   Feb-27-09 08:40 AM   #96 
     - I nominate Feingold, Tester, and Webb  derby378   Feb-27-09 08:47 AM   #97 
     - I'd like to hear that conversation.  -..__...   Feb-27-09 08:56 AM   #98 
        - Self delete.  -..__...   Feb-27-09 08:58 AM   #99 
  - This is certainly cheerful news.  -..__...   Feb-27-09 09:05 AM   #100 
  - American Hunters and Shooters Association tells Holder to back off  derby378   Feb-27-09 02:28 PM   #120 
  - Good. My opinion of AHSA just went up quite a bit.  benEzra   Feb-27-09 05:46 PM   #127 
  - Amazing, and I had written them off as a bunch of Elmer Fudds  slackmaster   Feb-28-09 08:36 AM   #150 
     - Helpful Definition For Real-Word Forum Types  Paladin   Feb-28-09 12:21 PM   #153 
        - No, just those who want everyone else's guns banned.  benEzra   Feb-28-09 02:57 PM   #154 
        - Great....  badgervan   Feb-28-09 10:23 PM   #157 
        - badgervan, I sincerely hope you have learned one thing in this thread  slackmaster   Mar-01-09 08:37 AM   #162 
           - I Did....  badgervan   Mar-01-09 10:44 PM   #164 
        - The funny thing about that is, every rifle used by "traditionalists" was also originally designed  slackmaster   Mar-01-09 08:36 AM   #161 
  - Senate Majority Leader Reid puts more kibosh on the "ban popular guns" talk...  benEzra   Feb-28-09 03:01 PM   #155 
  - Now THIS is something that should rightfully be kept OFF THE TABLE!  Proud Liberal Dem   Feb-28-09 10:46 PM   #158 
  - One of the first things she's done right. n/t  SlowDownFast   Mar-01-09 03:05 AM   #160 

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