Brucie Kibbutz
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Thu Feb-26-09 07:16 PM
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| 59. Despite your opinion of what they are designed for, |
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that is not what they are being used for. If they were being used for that purpose, it would seem there must be very few of them in the hands of the public. That isn't the case, though. Americans own millions of semi auto AR's and AK's but they are rarely ever used in a murder involving firearms. FBI statistics show that rifles of *any* type are rarely ever used for murder. It's almost always a handgun that is used in murders involving firearms. Knives are used far more often than rifles for murdering people. Should we ban those as well?
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| -Pelosi tosses cold water on assault-weapon ban |
Renew Deal |
Feb-26-09 12:23 PM |
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Yes!!!!! |
cliffordu |
Feb-26-09 12:41 PM |
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Good - Pelosi wants to keep the House in Democratic control |
RamboLiberal |
Feb-26-09 12:45 PM |
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Thank God |
RedstDem |
Feb-26-09 12:45 PM |
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This is one reason America is in the shape it's in. Too many guns. |
Metta |
Feb-26-09 12:49 PM |
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And Eric Holder just caused the number of guns in circulation to increase |
slackmaster |
Feb-26-09 01:18 PM |
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I'm gonna buy a couple more, right after I send the NRA a couple of grand. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Feb-26-09 09:49 PM |
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Exactly...but right wing needs a violent America to stay in power . . . |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 01:57 PM |
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. |
fascisthunter |
Feb-26-09 02:17 PM |
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Weird how you step over the border to Canada and the gun violence plummets. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-26-09 02:27 PM |
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Or the border into New Hampshire. Funny, that. (n/t) |
benEzra |
Feb-26-09 06:02 PM |
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People are spread out in NH, they're densely populated in Toronto. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Feb-26-09 06:16 PM |
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How many people have been mistakenly shot for a deer. . .. ???!!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 08:33 PM |
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The neighborhood across I-805 from my home has about 30 times the crime as my area |
slackmaster |
Feb-28-09 08:45 AM |
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And the streets are Clean, women can carry Pocketbooks |
One_Life_To_Give |
Feb-27-09 10:41 AM |
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Yes,,,, |
sendero |
Feb-26-09 05:36 PM |
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Wow, you really are off in left field. |
wartrace |
Feb-26-09 07:28 PM |
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Truth of the matter is, one reason America is in the shape it's in is because Republicans win |
Warren DeMontague |
Feb-27-09 04:38 AM |
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Nobody is supporting taking away the ban |
slackmaster |
Mar-01-09 09:24 AM |
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My God, Nancy is finally starting to "get it" |
derby378 |
Feb-26-09 12:51 PM |
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much as I think the gun crowd is wacko |
DBoon |
Feb-26-09 12:52 PM |
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Right . . the drug dealers who would be deprived of assault weapons probably vote . .. ? |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 01:59 PM |
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Please define assault weapon. |
WriteDown |
Feb-26-09 02:03 PM |
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I have an assault weapon hanging in the mantle of my fireplace. |
Ikonoklast |
Feb-26-09 03:08 PM |
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OK . . . give everyone one of those . . .!!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 08:34 PM |
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You understand that it can kill you just as dead as a fully automatic weapon? |
Ikonoklast |
Feb-26-09 09:24 PM |
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Yes -- one by one --- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 09:31 PM |
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You think banning the sale of certain guns would keep drug dealers from getting them?!? |
FudaFuda |
Feb-26-09 02:09 PM |
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We need to ban the manufacture of these weapons . . .!!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 02:34 PM |
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*crickets* |
FudaFuda |
Feb-26-09 03:19 PM |
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Seems tough.. |
WriteDown |
Feb-26-09 04:19 PM |
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There are over 100 million... |
Lagomorph |
Feb-26-09 04:46 PM |
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not only that |
guitar man |
Feb-26-09 05:00 PM |
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I guess David Koresh didn't think of that . . . !!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 08:09 PM |
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Fucking little kids was his issue... |
Pavulon |
Feb-26-09 10:41 PM |
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I think you're missing the point, that an armed government doesn't like |
defendandprotect |
Feb-27-09 12:59 PM |
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There are lots of people who own massive |
Pavulon |
Feb-27-09 01:09 PM |
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They are usually right-wing domestic militia .... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-27-09 01:23 PM |
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Targeting people for stupid laws.. |
Pavulon |
Feb-27-09 01:34 PM |
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Ahh, the beautiful art.... |
boilinmad |
Feb-27-09 09:21 AM |
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Hey, the CIA can't find it's AK-47's . . . but when we find them we can still burn them...!!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 08:07 PM |
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I can PM you the STEP code |
Pavulon |
Feb-26-09 10:35 PM |
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Evidently Mexico hasn't figured this out --- we're arming their drug dealers!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-27-09 01:00 PM |
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No they will not admit THEY ARE |
Pavulon |
Feb-27-09 01:08 PM |
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And what is the CIA giving them . . . ? |
defendandprotect |
Feb-27-09 01:19 PM |
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CIA generally gives Russian |
Pavulon |
Feb-27-09 01:29 PM |
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Hey, maybe the CIA is making weapons . . . stamping them "Cuba" ......? |
defendandprotect |
Feb-27-09 01:33 PM |
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It would take me and two guys |
Pavulon |
Feb-27-09 01:38 PM |
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Bravo!!!... |
boilinmad |
Feb-27-09 09:20 AM |
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Then don't own any. |
benEzra |
Feb-27-09 06:24 PM |
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I don't believe you are clear on the concept of what it takes to manufacture "these weapons" |
slackmaster |
Feb-28-09 08:26 AM |
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Drug dealers primarily use handguns, not small-caliber rifles with handgrips that stick out. |
benEzra |
Feb-26-09 06:09 PM |
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..whatever Mexican drug dealers need, we seem to be the suppliers .....!!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-27-09 01:01 PM |
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Yep, Direct from COLT, FN, and others on letterhead |
Pavulon |
Feb-27-09 01:11 PM |
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OK, show me where in the USA you can stroll in and legally buy quantities of RPG's |
benEzra |
Feb-28-09 08:19 AM |
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I wouldn't mind the ban... |
frog92969 |
Feb-26-09 01:15 PM |
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I understand Obama's thinking and the sentiment on this but.. |
MessiahRp |
Feb-26-09 01:18 PM |
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This came from Holder, not Obama. |
Renew Deal |
Feb-26-09 01:27 PM |
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Well in that case, Holder's opinion is his own... |
MessiahRp |
Feb-26-09 02:15 PM |
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Praise be to Polosi |
IDFbunny |
Feb-26-09 01:19 PM |
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Consider the trial balloon popped, for now. |
FudaFuda |
Feb-26-09 01:34 PM |
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....because hunters need assault weapons . . . !!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 01:54 PM |
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Please see post 17. nt |
WriteDown |
Feb-26-09 02:03 PM |
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Bambi can only be brought down by a rifle mounted rocket launcher. |
onehandle |
Feb-26-09 03:21 PM |
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Today's deer aren't like the ones you smoked in the 60's. |
FudaFuda |
Feb-26-09 03:23 PM |
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I don't know if you've ever heard this story about LBJ and "deer" . . . |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 08:12 PM |
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Hunters are irrelevant. Target shooters use "assault weapons"... |
benEzra |
Feb-26-09 06:16 PM |
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Bet JFK wouldn't if he could see the GOP/NRA violent America today . . . |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 08:19 PM |
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Per capita rifle homicide is roughly the same now as it was in 1961. |
benEzra |
Feb-26-09 09:12 PM |
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'US IS A VAST ARMS BAZAAR FOR MEXICAN CARTELS . . ." NY Times |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 09:23 PM |
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The machineguns and rocket launchers being used by Mexican cartels |
benEzra |
Feb-26-09 09:49 PM |
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For all we know . . . |
defendandprotect |
Feb-27-09 01:14 PM |
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A lot of those guns probably WERE supplied by the CIA or KGB, during the 1970's and 1980's |
benEzra |
Feb-27-09 06:24 PM |
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Holder is quickly becoming Obama's Andrew Young |
depakid |
Feb-26-09 01:55 PM |
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ouch. Shoe fits, though. n/t |
FudaFuda |
Feb-26-09 02:14 PM |
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I agree and at light speed as well. |
Lost in CT |
Feb-26-09 04:13 PM |
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In a weak defense I would just say |
BootinUp |
Feb-26-09 02:27 PM |
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Agreed- yet these shooting from the hip type statements seem to be becoming a pattern |
depakid |
Feb-26-09 02:36 PM |
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If we eliminate guns as a wedge issue, would that leave only choice, gay rights and |
No Elephants |
Feb-26-09 02:25 PM |
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Don't forget the all time favorite |
arikara |
Feb-26-09 02:29 PM |
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IMO, only a relatively small number of voters oppose tax cuts for the wealthy, but that |
No Elephants |
Feb-26-09 02:40 PM |
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I think you're wrong . . . Americans understand that issue quite well, IMO . . .!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 08:22 PM |
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Thank you. I love my weapons. |
Titonwan |
Feb-26-09 02:33 PM |
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This is good news. |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Feb-26-09 02:36 PM |
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I'm all for tougher gun control |
AyanEva |
Feb-26-09 02:45 PM |
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The second amendment doesn't serve any purpose, unless you're naive enough ... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-27-09 01:17 PM |
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The gun confiscations in New Orleans were illegal |
slackmaster |
Feb-28-09 08:28 AM |
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So is the war in Iraq . . . |
defendandprotect |
Feb-28-09 11:45 PM |
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Good call by Pelosi |
appal_jack |
Feb-26-09 02:57 PM |
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When I first heard of this I knew there wasn't a hope in hell that it would pass in Congress. |
Purveyor |
Feb-26-09 02:57 PM |
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Good! It's time Dems got in line with the rest of the country on this issue. |
ACTION BASTARD |
Feb-26-09 03:15 PM |
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Doesn't everyone need an assault weapon? |
Vinca |
Feb-26-09 04:22 PM |
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No |
slackmaster |
Feb-26-09 04:38 PM |
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That kid murdered with a plain old "youth" shotgun |
RamboLiberal |
Feb-26-09 05:12 PM |
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I'm aware of that. Think of how many more he could have taken |
Vinca |
Feb-27-09 06:36 AM |
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"Assault weapons" fire exactly once when the trigger is pulled, |
benEzra |
Feb-27-09 01:08 PM |
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Everyone needs fewer Republicans getting elected. |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Feb-26-09 05:27 PM |
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I don't trust the government to "decide" what guns I need |
bluestateguy |
Feb-27-09 04:58 AM |
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Oh Please.... |
depakid |
Feb-28-09 03:02 PM |
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good!! nt |
guitar man |
Feb-26-09 04:30 PM |
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Good. |
Doremus |
Feb-26-09 04:30 PM |
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Ah, Nancy... |
badgervan |
Feb-26-09 05:58 PM |
#51 |
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The most popular centerfire target rifles in America are used only to "mow down human beings"? |
benEzra |
Feb-26-09 06:05 PM |
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Answer.... |
badgervan |
Feb-27-09 05:22 PM |
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Because every single one of those rifles would be banned as an "assault weapon" by H.R.1022... |
benEzra |
Feb-27-09 05:54 PM |
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Target rifle's? |
TXRAT2 |
Feb-28-09 07:43 AM |
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No, this is the target rifle I was speaking of: |
benEzra |
Feb-28-09 07:50 AM |
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right, and handguns too! |
Johnyawl |
Feb-26-09 06:56 PM |
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Despite your opinion of what they are designed for, |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Feb-26-09 07:16 PM |
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Answer |
badgervan |
Feb-27-09 05:26 PM |
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I have no problem with the existing tight controls on full autos. |
benEzra |
Feb-27-09 06:06 PM |
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Agree . . . thanks for telling the truth -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 08:31 PM |
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The truth? |
benEzra |
Feb-26-09 09:36 PM |
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Ah, "Girls Gone Wild," eh . . . guns are sexy . . . ??? |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-09 10:27 PM |
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To equate a female police officer with girls gone wild, congrats todays worst person in the world. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Feb-26-09 11:38 PM |
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Huh? |
benEzra |
Feb-27-09 07:08 AM |
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What a sexist attitude. |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-27-09 08:09 AM |
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Nope... |
badgervan |
Feb-27-09 05:29 PM |
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No, all Title 1 "assault weapons" are NON-automatic |
benEzra |
Feb-27-09 06:05 PM |
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Fully automatic firearms have been strictly regulated since 1934 |
slackmaster |
Feb-28-09 08:49 AM |
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You Make a False Equivalency.... |
badgervan |
Feb-27-09 05:36 PM |
#125 |
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No, the "assault weapon" issue is solely about non-automatic, NFA Title 1 civilian firearms. |
benEzra |
Feb-27-09 05:58 PM |
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We're Talking About Two Different Bills |
badgervan |
Feb-27-09 09:23 PM |
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There is no bill outlawing automatics |
hack89 |
Feb-27-09 09:35 PM |
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Automatic weapons were restricted 75 years ago, under the National Firearms Act of 1934. |
benEzra |
Feb-28-09 08:12 AM |
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The Assault Weapons ban.. |
sendero |
Feb-28-09 07:52 AM |
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Sorry I missed this one earlier - Thanks for proving without any doubt that you are misinformed |
slackmaster |
Feb-28-09 08:33 AM |
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assault weapons are designed, made, and used for one purpose only: to mow down human beings. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Feb-26-09 09:52 PM |
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Thanks |
badgervan |
Feb-27-09 05:46 PM |
#126 |
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Who's talking about un-restricting automatic weapons? |
benEzra |
Feb-27-09 06:07 PM |
#133 |
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Thank you. nt |
Lorien |
Feb-26-09 10:36 PM |
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Thank you -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-27-09 11:42 AM |
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Hmm, I wonder... |
virginia mountainman |
Feb-27-09 06:22 AM |
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Do You Equate.... |
badgervan |
Feb-27-09 05:31 PM |
#124 |
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Police ARE civilians, and (outside of SWAT) usually use civilian weapons. |
benEzra |
Feb-27-09 05:50 PM |
#128 |
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HuH? |
badgervan |
Feb-27-09 09:29 PM |
#137 |
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SWAT teams are generally organized along paramilitary lines... |
benEzra |
Feb-28-09 07:46 AM |
#140 |
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No, "assault weapon" was an arbitrary category based on appearance, not function |
slackmaster |
Feb-28-09 08:30 AM |
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Good news indeed, and I was going to buy a Romanian AK |
ileus |
Feb-26-09 06:24 PM |
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Good |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Feb-26-09 09:18 PM |
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Good! Now the Rethugs can't make the "They'll take away your guns!" arguement. |
Crowman1979 |
Feb-26-09 10:09 PM |
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Actually, even with Ms. Pelosi dousing the flames ... |
FudaFuda |
Feb-26-09 10:45 PM |
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Oh yes they can, they are, and it's working |
slackmaster |
Feb-28-09 08:35 AM |
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My Godess, are the Dems actually starting to get it? |
OffWithTheirHeads |
Feb-26-09 11:38 PM |
#84 |
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Good |
bluestateguy |
Feb-27-09 04:29 AM |
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This person who grew up in a rural area says THANK GOD. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-27-09 07:50 AM |
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Good for Nancy. |
OnionPatch |
Feb-27-09 08:01 AM |
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Well, I originally thought a statement like this by Holder had to be cleared |
riverdeep |
Feb-27-09 08:03 AM |
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Somebody needs to get a hold of Holder |
Renew Deal |
Feb-27-09 08:40 AM |
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I nominate Feingold, Tester, and Webb |
derby378 |
Feb-27-09 08:47 AM |
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I'd like to hear that conversation. |
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Feb-27-09 08:56 AM |
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Self delete. |
-..__... |
Feb-27-09 08:58 AM |
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This is certainly cheerful news. |
-..__... |
Feb-27-09 09:05 AM |
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American Hunters and Shooters Association tells Holder to back off |
derby378 |
Feb-27-09 02:28 PM |
#120 |
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Good. My opinion of AHSA just went up quite a bit. |
benEzra |
Feb-27-09 05:46 PM |
#127 |
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Amazing, and I had written them off as a bunch of Elmer Fudds |
slackmaster |
Feb-28-09 08:36 AM |
#150 |
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Helpful Definition For Real-Word Forum Types |
Paladin |
Feb-28-09 12:21 PM |
#153 |
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No, just those who want everyone else's guns banned. |
benEzra |
Feb-28-09 02:57 PM |
#154 |
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Great.... |
badgervan |
Feb-28-09 10:23 PM |
#157 |
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badgervan, I sincerely hope you have learned one thing in this thread |
slackmaster |
Mar-01-09 08:37 AM |
#162 |
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I Did.... |
badgervan |
Mar-01-09 10:44 PM |
#164 |
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The funny thing about that is, every rifle used by "traditionalists" was also originally designed |
slackmaster |
Mar-01-09 08:36 AM |
#161 |
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Senate Majority Leader Reid puts more kibosh on the "ban popular guns" talk... |
benEzra |
Feb-28-09 03:01 PM |
#155 |
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Now THIS is something that should rightfully be kept OFF THE TABLE! |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Feb-28-09 10:46 PM |
#158 |
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One of the first things she's done right. n/t |
SlowDownFast |
Mar-01-09 03:05 AM |
#160 |
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