| 165. your tag says everything that needs to be said |
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Edited on Thu Feb-26-09 11:54 AM by sui generis
Don't keep up with the Joneses...Drag 'em down to YOUR level!
Is there anything you do or say that is constructive?
"straw men" "if you had actually been following" funny coming from the same keyboard.
There is a witch hunt. Read this thread. Nothing else need be said - you as much as openly stated that you "hate the rich". Also, the funny thing about characterizing a group of statements as "straw men" arguments means you absolve yourself of responding.
You are a straw kitty I guess, and there is no point in setting afire what's already burning.
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| -Group of Rich Americans Sues UBS to Keep Names Secret in Tax Case |
Joanne98 |
Feb-25-09 07:05 AM |
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Traitors. Every last one of them. |
trotsky |
Feb-25-09 07:20 AM |
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The Congress which gave The FED the power over our currency are traitors!! |
Honest1 |
Feb-25-09 01:44 PM |
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Do you know why the fed was created? |
Confusious |
Feb-26-09 01:36 AM |
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To find ways to serve the banksters that were more stable than prior versions. |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 09:33 AM |
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Natural Born Right? |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 04:28 AM |
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Presumption of guilt, I see? Hang'em high? |
JackRiddler |
Feb-25-09 01:47 PM |
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I am surprised it took this long to get a knotted underwear response. |
trotsky |
Feb-25-09 02:18 PM |
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Are you saying you like cheap-shock rhetoric because it might be answered? |
JackRiddler |
Feb-25-09 03:14 PM |
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LOL, no. |
trotsky |
Feb-25-09 04:33 PM |
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Do you think that's a role I ever play? |
JackRiddler |
Feb-25-09 06:46 PM |
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At least the billionaires have someone to stick up for them this time. |
trotsky |
Feb-25-09 07:00 PM |
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Feb-25-09 07:03 PM |
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Traitors is not Bush rhetoric. It is a word. |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 04:36 AM |
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Insane. This is the nightmare view of Democrats. |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 09:10 AM |
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No offense, but your post here is totally not topical, and an interesting side discussion, perhaps, |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 09:18 AM |
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No offense taken, as I feel securely on topic. |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 09:31 AM |
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Do you deny the likelihood that SOME of the 52,000 are US tax evaders? |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 09:40 AM |
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No. Do you deny the likelihood that SOME |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 09:48 AM |
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And the answer is that the Swiss gave the US the means/legitimate authority in |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 10:04 AM |
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Have a look again where the discussion grew bizarre, above... |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 10:21 AM |
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how dare you be rational! |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 09:14 AM |
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If the pitchforks were coming for the recent purveyors of torture and aggressive war... |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 09:28 AM |
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Seems you'd have to put your name on a lawsuit? |
safeinOhio |
Feb-25-09 07:22 AM |
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I was thinking that too. |
dipsydoodle |
Feb-25-09 07:29 AM |
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Swiss laws are different |
melm00se |
Feb-25-09 09:03 AM |
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Even their cheese has holes in it. n/t |
rucky |
Feb-25-09 09:39 PM |
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No |
jberryhill |
Feb-25-09 09:43 AM |
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But the Judges who tried the case all knew her real name |
happyslug |
Feb-25-09 12:22 PM |
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That doesn't make it discoverable by anyone else |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 08:06 AM |
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They'll probably use the courtroom equivalent of a 527. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Feb-26-09 01:12 AM |
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I know |
rpannier |
Feb-26-09 04:02 AM |
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you fucking snakes. |
Soylent Brice |
Feb-25-09 07:29 AM |
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Swiss banking law is so strict.It is even illegal for a Swiss bank to tell YOU you have an account - |
Wizard777 |
Feb-25-09 07:34 AM |
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Numbered accounts |
Baby Snooks |
Feb-25-09 09:47 AM |
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Yes, but if you ever lose that number. Your money is lost. |
Wizard777 |
Feb-25-09 11:14 AM |
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I don't see why their bank laws trump our tax laws |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 11:42 AM |
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Feb-25-09 01:52 PM |
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SO WHAT?!? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 02:42 PM |
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Feb-25-09 03:05 PM |
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But we're requiring them to commit a crime under Swiss law. |
Wizard777 |
Feb-26-09 07:09 AM |
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Treaties /nt |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 08:07 AM |
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Okay which provision of which treaty? |
Wizard777 |
Feb-26-09 08:18 AM |
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Article 26 of the Swiss-U.S. Income Tax Convention of October 2, 1996 |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 09:39 AM |
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The fact that we can pull USB's license to do business in the U.S. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 10:43 AM |
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I agree with above poster. If you earn your money here, but hide |
Left Coast2020 |
Feb-26-09 01:13 AM |
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"My registered agent is..." |
Baby Snooks |
Feb-25-09 01:42 PM |
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No they can't tell anyone, no one, nobody. Not even God in a prayer. |
Wizard777 |
Feb-25-09 02:16 PM |
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If Switzerland starts requiring cooperation of American banks regarding Swiss citizens |
Greyhound |
Feb-26-09 02:50 AM |
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someone should force the Court to expose their names as it |
UpInArms |
Feb-25-09 07:37 AM |
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52,000 of them |
Mari333 |
Feb-25-09 07:38 AM |
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Wow 52,000? And I bet there are some very interesting names in that bunch of traitors! |
1776Forever |
Feb-25-09 08:28 AM |
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One of the problems is that not all of the accounts are illegal |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-25-09 08:50 AM |
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Well then let the Justic Dept. weed the "bad" ones out and forgive the rest! |
1776Forever |
Feb-25-09 08:54 AM |
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Correct |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 05:24 PM |
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Why would anyone go to the trouble of having an overseas account... |
JJ |
Feb-25-09 10:03 AM |
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If you lived there? |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 10:26 AM |
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Me too. |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 04:44 AM |
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We have about $5,000 dollars in a Dutch bank. |
mainer |
Feb-26-09 10:26 AM |
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If you surrender, we will go easy on you. |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 10:41 AM |
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Why else would they have the annual meeting in Davos? |
Dover |
Feb-25-09 11:20 AM |
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Probably a lot of people hiding money from spouses and/or other relatives. |
wickerwoman |
Feb-26-09 02:24 AM |
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Cos they don't want to put their money into Citibank? |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 10:25 AM |
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plus, there are non-US citizens who have accounts here in the US |
mainer |
Feb-26-09 02:15 PM |
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Some are perfectly legal |
Baby Snooks |
Feb-25-09 10:13 AM |
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Get your facts straight. |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 04:47 AM |
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FDIC doesn't cover above $250,000 per account shareholder. |
mainer |
Feb-26-09 10:22 AM |
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52,000!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF! |
Divine Discontent |
Feb-25-09 01:10 PM |
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And sadly, I think it crosses party lines. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 01:42 PM |
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exactly - don't be defending people ripping us off... sheesh. eom |
Divine Discontent |
Feb-25-09 02:24 PM |
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It's unbelievable. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 03:35 PM |
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Almost makes you wonder about people here. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 03:45 PM |
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In any good con, the mark has to believe he has a real chance to win. |
Greyhound |
Feb-26-09 03:01 AM |
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Anyone want to make a bet that the names Norton, Ellison, Gates, Knight, |
Greyhound |
Feb-26-09 02:55 AM |
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I hope they win. |
Somawas |
Feb-25-09 08:20 AM |
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Another Apples and Oranges Argument |
atreides1 |
Feb-25-09 08:37 AM |
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Me betting the gangsters also lose this round against the IRS |
nolabels |
Feb-25-09 08:52 AM |
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Not quite. |
Somawas |
Feb-25-09 09:05 AM |
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Don't you think having the names of those who are breaking the law |
redqueen |
Feb-25-09 09:19 AM |
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They have branches in the US |
ozu |
Feb-25-09 09:52 AM |
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Their laws violate international treaties if they protect tax evaders/criminals. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 10:27 AM |
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I'm not sure the Swiss Courts have any jurisdiction |
Hansel |
Feb-25-09 11:45 AM |
#68 |
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Um, how can the U.S. enforce its own laws when the Swiss are abetting our criminals? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 03:16 PM |
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That's our problem, not theirs. |
Somawas |
Feb-25-09 09:26 PM |
#109 |
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Quick, the clue train is leaving the station. |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 04:57 AM |
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All the U.S. is doing is threatening to pull UBS's license to do business in the U.S. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 10:33 AM |
#156 |
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part of the US enforcing it's laws would be to enforce it's tax laws |
corpseratemedia |
Feb-25-09 04:03 PM |
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Swiss banking law is extremely morally suspect. |
wickerwoman |
Feb-26-09 02:33 AM |
#117 |
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I'll back the Swiss |
rpannier |
Feb-26-09 04:42 AM |
#126 |
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the US is enforcing it's own laws. |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 04:54 AM |
#129 |
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Similar to the Cuban embargo, yes? |
AngryAmish |
Feb-26-09 12:35 PM |
#172 |
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astronomical sums of money have been looted from the |
ooglymoogly |
Feb-25-09 10:34 AM |
#44 |
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I wouldn't be surprised |
NeoConsSuck |
Feb-25-09 03:48 PM |
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Feb-25-09 02:21 PM |
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If Switzerland does not consider tax evasion to be a crime then... |
LiberalFighter |
Feb-25-09 08:29 AM |
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Just because the US is forcing them too? There used to be a word for those kind of activities..... |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-25-09 08:46 AM |
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Um, no, because tax evasion is a crime in every country but Switzerland. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 10:28 AM |
#42 |
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even in Switzerland, some fraudulent tax conduct is criminal... |
LanternWaste |
Feb-25-09 11:35 AM |
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Thank you for that cite. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 12:36 PM |
#72 |
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Yup. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 10:27 AM |
#41 |
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Man, the hell with that ish. The names should be made public |
nc4bo |
Feb-25-09 08:37 AM |
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I wonder if Dick Cheney is on that list? |
Kittycat |
Feb-25-09 08:57 AM |
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Nah he converted all his loot into spare blood and organs. And body parts. |
glitch |
Feb-25-09 09:11 AM |
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Wouldn't the court documents in the law suite be public record? |
liberal N proud |
Feb-25-09 09:22 AM |
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In Switzerland, as in the US, you can sue under a placeholder name |
jberryhill |
Feb-25-09 09:44 AM |
#28 |
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Not sure |
liberal N proud |
Feb-25-09 09:54 AM |
#33 |
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She was "Jane Roe" in Roe v. Wade /nt |
jberryhill |
Feb-25-09 10:31 AM |
#43 |
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She is Jane Roe. |
Wapsie B |
Feb-25-09 10:35 AM |
#46 |
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Who..... |
liberalitch |
Feb-25-09 11:20 AM |
#59 |
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Yeah, I had read that she had a conversion of sorts. |
Wapsie B |
Feb-25-09 11:31 AM |
#63 |
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jane roe eom |
noiretextatique |
Feb-25-09 04:50 PM |
#104 |
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Again, where is the moral hazard |
Fovea |
Feb-25-09 09:25 AM |
#23 |
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And what would we think if they were Venezuelans trying to keep their money from Hugo Chávez? |
Towlie |
Feb-25-09 09:26 AM |
#24 |
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Are they rich greedy assholes who are hiding money while their country starves? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 12:37 PM |
#73 |
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Oh Puhlease - I used to live in Venezuela |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 05:03 AM |
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Names??? Are we going to get to see the names of those in the suit? |
underpants |
Feb-25-09 09:35 AM |
#25 |
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One name comes to mind |
boomerbust |
Feb-25-09 09:42 AM |
#26 |
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Bingo |
sansf |
Feb-25-09 11:38 AM |
#65 |
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Interesting cases of challenges to Swiss Banks - i.e. The Holocaust and surviving family members |
BridgeTheGap |
Feb-25-09 09:49 AM |
#30 |
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One of the ongoing realities of the Holocaust... |
Baby Snooks |
Feb-25-09 10:41 AM |
#48 |
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Judging from the Swiss generosity ($5 Billion?) to humanitarian causes, I'd say |
BridgeTheGap |
Feb-26-09 08:28 AM |
#139 |
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Misinformation abounds |
sui generis |
Feb-25-09 09:51 AM |
#31 |
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Are you saying that the IRS already knows who these people are, |
redqueen |
Feb-25-09 10:08 AM |
#36 |
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for American citizens |
sui generis |
Feb-25-09 11:03 AM |
#53 |
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I'm in favor of them being required to provide the necessary information for us to enforce our laws. |
redqueen |
Feb-25-09 11:05 AM |
#55 |
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"Rabble"? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 11:45 AM |
#67 |
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Feb-25-09 12:29 PM |
#70 |
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yes it's obvious I don't "hate the rich" |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 08:15 AM |
#137 |
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Jesus Christ so many strawmen in that it should be declared a fire hazard |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 11:29 AM |
#164 |
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your tag says everything that needs to be said |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 11:53 AM |
#165 |
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You have nothing left but personal attacks at this point |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 12:14 PM |
#166 |
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you put words in everyone's mouth |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 12:15 PM |
#167 |
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That's rich. You accusing someone of putting words in another's mouth. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 12:17 PM |
#168 |
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see that ignore button? |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 12:22 PM |
#169 |
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Well, if I am stupid I can always improve on my knowledge |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 12:30 PM |
#170 |
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really? |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 12:33 PM |
#171 |
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I'm basing it off of what you posted and I am not taking it offline |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 12:44 PM |
#173 |
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what is the "it" you are basing "it" on? |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 12:55 PM |
#174 |
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Okay. Let's start with one of your more offensive strawman arguments in reply #67 |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 01:15 PM |
#175 |
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I am evil |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 03:40 PM |
#177 |
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You pile strawman on top of strawman but still refuse to address the actual points |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 03:57 PM |
#178 |
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no |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 04:09 PM |
#179 |
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So, if the poor person opens an account with USB |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 04:28 PM |
#180 |
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speaking of blathering, little miss kitty |
sui generis |
Feb-27-09 08:38 AM |
#191 |
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I can honestly say |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-27-09 10:30 AM |
#192 |
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the sound of people agreeing with you is DEAFENING |
sui generis |
Feb-27-09 12:55 PM |
#194 |
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Only if they're aware of them.. |
Baby Snooks |
Feb-25-09 01:51 PM |
#83 |
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I would give a lot to learn the names on that list. There would be no |
Jefferson23 |
Feb-25-09 10:00 AM |
#34 |
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"Group"? Is that like, a mob? |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 10:13 AM |
#38 |
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More like a "cabal." |
DemoTex |
Feb-26-09 09:35 AM |
#146 |
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I can understand why they don't want their names disclosed. |
Buns_of_Fire |
Feb-25-09 10:35 AM |
#45 |
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it's not just a tax issue, it's illegal to have foreign bank accounts |
natrat |
Feb-25-09 10:37 AM |
#47 |
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No it's not. It's illegal to use it to evade taxes, yes. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 10:43 AM |
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Feb-25-09 01:13 PM |
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So pack up your shit and move to Switzerland if you don't want to pay taxes. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 01:18 PM |
#78 |
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Oh good lord, you have employees? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 02:44 PM |
#91 |
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Bull (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Feb-25-09 04:33 PM |
#101 |
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no the IRS doesn't have the names |
florida08 |
Feb-25-09 10:42 AM |
#49 |
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isn't there a new law where it costs you like 50% to move your money out of the US? |
natrat |
Feb-25-09 10:56 AM |
#51 |
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Funny. The rich suing the rich. n/t |
daggahead |
Feb-25-09 11:00 AM |
#52 |
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It's *almost* as though "the rich" wasn't a monolith or something! (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Feb-25-09 04:34 PM |
#103 |
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Wait a minute.. |
NorCalDem |
Feb-25-09 11:03 AM |
#54 |
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Self delete. nt |
Hansel |
Feb-25-09 11:07 AM |
#56 |
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Trostki's right - TRAILTORS. we could pay for stimulus package if we started collecting all the |
JohnWxy |
Feb-25-09 11:11 AM |
#57 |
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I'll bet a lot of interesting banking goes on during Davos meetings. |
Dover |
Feb-25-09 11:24 AM |
#61 |
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You know, I never thought about that! But you're absolutely right. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 12:41 PM |
#74 |
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What a shady system. Their economy is based on helping tax |
acmavm |
Feb-25-09 11:24 AM |
#62 |
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I wonder if any from the bush junta is on the list of tax cheats? What about |
alfredo |
Feb-25-09 12:35 PM |
#71 |
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Feb-25-09 12:47 PM |
#75 |
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Feb-25-09 02:25 PM |
#89 |
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Feb-25-09 02:48 PM |
#92 |
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I don't recall seeing this FT article, 'Harbours of Resentment', from last December. Strong language |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 02:51 PM |
#93 |
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doesn't be party to the suit reveal that they have hidden assets there? |
yurbud |
Feb-25-09 05:05 PM |
#105 |
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remember that the USA requires expatriates to keep paying taxes |
Lethe |
Feb-25-09 11:23 PM |
#111 |
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Get your facts straight. |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 05:14 AM |
#132 |
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....up to $80,000 of local foreign wages and salary is excluded |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 08:05 AM |
#134 |
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Oh boo hoo. And what the hell does that have to do with wealthy tax cheats? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 10:39 AM |
#158 |
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It's remarkable, isn't it, that even after establishing here that UBS conceded |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 10:48 AM |
#161 |
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They think they're upholding lofty principles |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 10:53 AM |
#162 |
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Sure whatever works, because money IS power in many ways. |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 11:17 AM |
#163 |
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I hate to break up the stupid party here, but |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 05:14 PM |
#181 |
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Please explain why this is relevant to the OP? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 05:35 PM |
#184 |
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It is relevant to the post to which I was responding |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 06:36 PM |
#186 |
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Wow, where did I say that applied to you? Since you are correct, I guess |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 08:21 PM |
#190 |
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Are these words not visible to you in my post? |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 05:18 PM |
#182 |
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Nice. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 05:40 PM |
#185 |
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And I know... |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 06:37 PM |
#187 |
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I didn't call you stupid. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 07:31 PM |
#188 |
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Are they keeping the plaintiff's names secret? |
McCamy Taylor |
Feb-26-09 01:57 AM |
#115 |
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Does UBS have a charter to operate in the US? |
vssmith |
Feb-26-09 03:39 AM |
#121 |
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That's exactly what the Justice Dep't threatened them with. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 10:34 AM |
#157 |
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Lets coin the phrase ........"illegal americans" |
TWiley |
Feb-26-09 04:39 AM |
#125 |
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This thread illustrates the triumph of talk radio rhetoric on the left. |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 10:29 AM |
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Okay, let's make peace, we can all agree: TAX BONO NOW! |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 07:38 PM |
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The US should seize all of their assets. |
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Feb-27-09 11:22 AM |
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