| 42. Um, no, because tax evasion is a crime in every country but Switzerland. |
| -Group of Rich Americans Sues UBS to Keep Names Secret in Tax Case |
Joanne98 |
Feb-25-09 07:05 AM |
#0 |
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Traitors. Every last one of them. |
trotsky |
Feb-25-09 07:20 AM |
#1 |
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The Congress which gave The FED the power over our currency are traitors!! |
Honest1 |
Feb-25-09 01:44 PM |
#81 |
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Do you know why the fed was created? |
Confusious |
Feb-26-09 01:36 AM |
#114 |
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To find ways to serve the banksters that were more stable than prior versions. |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 09:33 AM |
#145 |
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Natural Born Right? |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 04:28 AM |
#123 |
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Presumption of guilt, I see? Hang'em high? |
JackRiddler |
Feb-25-09 01:47 PM |
#82 |
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I am surprised it took this long to get a knotted underwear response. |
trotsky |
Feb-25-09 02:18 PM |
#86 |
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Are you saying you like cheap-shock rhetoric because it might be answered? |
JackRiddler |
Feb-25-09 03:14 PM |
#95 |
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LOL, no. |
trotsky |
Feb-25-09 04:33 PM |
#102 |
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Do you think that's a role I ever play? |
JackRiddler |
Feb-25-09 06:46 PM |
#106 |
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At least the billionaires have someone to stick up for them this time. |
trotsky |
Feb-25-09 07:00 PM |
#107 |
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Feb-25-09 07:03 PM |
#108 |
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Traitors is not Bush rhetoric. It is a word. |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 04:36 AM |
#124 |
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Insane. This is the nightmare view of Democrats. |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 09:10 AM |
#140 |
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No offense, but your post here is totally not topical, and an interesting side discussion, perhaps, |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 09:18 AM |
#142 |
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No offense taken, as I feel securely on topic. |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 09:31 AM |
#144 |
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Do you deny the likelihood that SOME of the 52,000 are US tax evaders? |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 09:40 AM |
#148 |
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No. Do you deny the likelihood that SOME |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 09:48 AM |
#149 |
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And the answer is that the Swiss gave the US the means/legitimate authority in |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 10:04 AM |
#150 |
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Have a look again where the discussion grew bizarre, above... |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 10:21 AM |
#151 |
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how dare you be rational! |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 09:14 AM |
#141 |
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If the pitchforks were coming for the recent purveyors of torture and aggressive war... |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 09:28 AM |
#143 |
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Seems you'd have to put your name on a lawsuit? |
safeinOhio |
Feb-25-09 07:22 AM |
#2 |
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I was thinking that too. |
dipsydoodle |
Feb-25-09 07:29 AM |
#4 |
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Swiss laws are different |
melm00se |
Feb-25-09 09:03 AM |
#18 |
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Even their cheese has holes in it. n/t |
rucky |
Feb-25-09 09:39 PM |
#110 |
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No |
jberryhill |
Feb-25-09 09:43 AM |
#27 |
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But the Judges who tried the case all knew her real name |
happyslug |
Feb-25-09 12:22 PM |
#69 |
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That doesn't make it discoverable by anyone else |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 08:06 AM |
#135 |
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They'll probably use the courtroom equivalent of a 527. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Feb-26-09 01:12 AM |
#112 |
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I know |
rpannier |
Feb-26-09 04:02 AM |
#122 |
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you fucking snakes. |
Soylent Brice |
Feb-25-09 07:29 AM |
#3 |
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Swiss banking law is so strict.It is even illegal for a Swiss bank to tell YOU you have an account - |
Wizard777 |
Feb-25-09 07:34 AM |
#5 |
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Numbered accounts |
Baby Snooks |
Feb-25-09 09:47 AM |
#29 |
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Yes, but if you ever lose that number. Your money is lost. |
Wizard777 |
Feb-25-09 11:14 AM |
#58 |
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I don't see why their bank laws trump our tax laws |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 11:42 AM |
#66 |
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Feb-25-09 01:52 PM |
#84 |
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SO WHAT?!? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 02:42 PM |
#90 |
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Feb-25-09 03:05 PM |
#94 |
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But we're requiring them to commit a crime under Swiss law. |
Wizard777 |
Feb-26-09 07:09 AM |
#133 |
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Treaties /nt |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 08:07 AM |
#136 |
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Okay which provision of which treaty? |
Wizard777 |
Feb-26-09 08:18 AM |
#138 |
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Article 26 of the Swiss-U.S. Income Tax Convention of October 2, 1996 |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 09:39 AM |
#147 |
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The fact that we can pull USB's license to do business in the U.S. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 10:43 AM |
#160 |
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I agree with above poster. If you earn your money here, but hide |
Left Coast2020 |
Feb-26-09 01:13 AM |
#113 |
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"My registered agent is..." |
Baby Snooks |
Feb-25-09 01:42 PM |
#80 |
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No they can't tell anyone, no one, nobody. Not even God in a prayer. |
Wizard777 |
Feb-25-09 02:16 PM |
#85 |
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If Switzerland starts requiring cooperation of American banks regarding Swiss citizens |
Greyhound |
Feb-26-09 02:50 AM |
#118 |
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someone should force the Court to expose their names as it |
UpInArms |
Feb-25-09 07:37 AM |
#6 |
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52,000 of them |
Mari333 |
Feb-25-09 07:38 AM |
#7 |
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Wow 52,000? And I bet there are some very interesting names in that bunch of traitors! |
1776Forever |
Feb-25-09 08:28 AM |
#9 |
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One of the problems is that not all of the accounts are illegal |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-25-09 08:50 AM |
#14 |
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Well then let the Justic Dept. weed the "bad" ones out and forgive the rest! |
1776Forever |
Feb-25-09 08:54 AM |
#16 |
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Correct |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 05:24 PM |
#183 |
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Why would anyone go to the trouble of having an overseas account... |
JJ |
Feb-25-09 10:03 AM |
#35 |
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If you lived there? |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 10:26 AM |
#39 |
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Me too. |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 04:44 AM |
#127 |
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We have about $5,000 dollars in a Dutch bank. |
mainer |
Feb-26-09 10:26 AM |
#154 |
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If you surrender, we will go easy on you. |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 10:41 AM |
#159 |
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Why else would they have the annual meeting in Davos? |
Dover |
Feb-25-09 11:20 AM |
#60 |
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Probably a lot of people hiding money from spouses and/or other relatives. |
wickerwoman |
Feb-26-09 02:24 AM |
#116 |
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Cos they don't want to put their money into Citibank? |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 10:25 AM |
#153 |
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plus, there are non-US citizens who have accounts here in the US |
mainer |
Feb-26-09 02:15 PM |
#176 |
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Some are perfectly legal |
Baby Snooks |
Feb-25-09 10:13 AM |
#37 |
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Get your facts straight. |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 04:47 AM |
#128 |
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FDIC doesn't cover above $250,000 per account shareholder. |
mainer |
Feb-26-09 10:22 AM |
#152 |
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52,000!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF! |
Divine Discontent |
Feb-25-09 01:10 PM |
#76 |
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And sadly, I think it crosses party lines. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 01:42 PM |
#79 |
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exactly - don't be defending people ripping us off... sheesh. eom |
Divine Discontent |
Feb-25-09 02:24 PM |
#88 |
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It's unbelievable. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 03:35 PM |
#97 |
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Almost makes you wonder about people here. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 03:45 PM |
#98 |
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In any good con, the mark has to believe he has a real chance to win. |
Greyhound |
Feb-26-09 03:01 AM |
#120 |
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Anyone want to make a bet that the names Norton, Ellison, Gates, Knight, |
Greyhound |
Feb-26-09 02:55 AM |
#119 |
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I hope they win. |
Somawas |
Feb-25-09 08:20 AM |
#8 |
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Another Apples and Oranges Argument |
atreides1 |
Feb-25-09 08:37 AM |
#12 |
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Me betting the gangsters also lose this round against the IRS |
nolabels |
Feb-25-09 08:52 AM |
#15 |
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Not quite. |
Somawas |
Feb-25-09 09:05 AM |
#19 |
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Don't you think having the names of those who are breaking the law |
redqueen |
Feb-25-09 09:19 AM |
#21 |
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They have branches in the US |
ozu |
Feb-25-09 09:52 AM |
#32 |
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Their laws violate international treaties if they protect tax evaders/criminals. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 10:27 AM |
#40 |
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I'm not sure the Swiss Courts have any jurisdiction |
Hansel |
Feb-25-09 11:45 AM |
#68 |
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Um, how can the U.S. enforce its own laws when the Swiss are abetting our criminals? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 03:16 PM |
#96 |
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That's our problem, not theirs. |
Somawas |
Feb-25-09 09:26 PM |
#109 |
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Quick, the clue train is leaving the station. |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 04:57 AM |
#130 |
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All the U.S. is doing is threatening to pull UBS's license to do business in the U.S. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 10:33 AM |
#156 |
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part of the US enforcing it's laws would be to enforce it's tax laws |
corpseratemedia |
Feb-25-09 04:03 PM |
#100 |
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Swiss banking law is extremely morally suspect. |
wickerwoman |
Feb-26-09 02:33 AM |
#117 |
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I'll back the Swiss |
rpannier |
Feb-26-09 04:42 AM |
#126 |
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the US is enforcing it's own laws. |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 04:54 AM |
#129 |
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Similar to the Cuban embargo, yes? |
AngryAmish |
Feb-26-09 12:35 PM |
#172 |
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astronomical sums of money have been looted from the |
ooglymoogly |
Feb-25-09 10:34 AM |
#44 |
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I wouldn't be surprised |
NeoConsSuck |
Feb-25-09 03:48 PM |
#99 |
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Feb-25-09 02:21 PM |
#87 |
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If Switzerland does not consider tax evasion to be a crime then... |
LiberalFighter |
Feb-25-09 08:29 AM |
#10 |
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Just because the US is forcing them too? There used to be a word for those kind of activities..... |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-25-09 08:46 AM |
#13 |
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Um, no, because tax evasion is a crime in every country but Switzerland. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 10:28 AM |
#42 |
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even in Switzerland, some fraudulent tax conduct is criminal... |
LanternWaste |
Feb-25-09 11:35 AM |
#64 |
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Thank you for that cite. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 12:36 PM |
#72 |
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Yup. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 10:27 AM |
#41 |
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Man, the hell with that ish. The names should be made public |
nc4bo |
Feb-25-09 08:37 AM |
#11 |
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I wonder if Dick Cheney is on that list? |
Kittycat |
Feb-25-09 08:57 AM |
#17 |
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Nah he converted all his loot into spare blood and organs. And body parts. |
glitch |
Feb-25-09 09:11 AM |
#20 |
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Wouldn't the court documents in the law suite be public record? |
liberal N proud |
Feb-25-09 09:22 AM |
#22 |
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In Switzerland, as in the US, you can sue under a placeholder name |
jberryhill |
Feb-25-09 09:44 AM |
#28 |
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Not sure |
liberal N proud |
Feb-25-09 09:54 AM |
#33 |
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She was "Jane Roe" in Roe v. Wade /nt |
jberryhill |
Feb-25-09 10:31 AM |
#43 |
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She is Jane Roe. |
Wapsie B |
Feb-25-09 10:35 AM |
#46 |
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Who..... |
liberalitch |
Feb-25-09 11:20 AM |
#59 |
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Yeah, I had read that she had a conversion of sorts. |
Wapsie B |
Feb-25-09 11:31 AM |
#63 |
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jane roe eom |
noiretextatique |
Feb-25-09 04:50 PM |
#104 |
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Again, where is the moral hazard |
Fovea |
Feb-25-09 09:25 AM |
#23 |
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And what would we think if they were Venezuelans trying to keep their money from Hugo Chávez? |
Towlie |
Feb-25-09 09:26 AM |
#24 |
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Are they rich greedy assholes who are hiding money while their country starves? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 12:37 PM |
#73 |
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Oh Puhlease - I used to live in Venezuela |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 05:03 AM |
#131 |
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Names??? Are we going to get to see the names of those in the suit? |
underpants |
Feb-25-09 09:35 AM |
#25 |
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One name comes to mind |
boomerbust |
Feb-25-09 09:42 AM |
#26 |
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Bingo |
sansf |
Feb-25-09 11:38 AM |
#65 |
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Interesting cases of challenges to Swiss Banks - i.e. The Holocaust and surviving family members |
BridgeTheGap |
Feb-25-09 09:49 AM |
#30 |
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One of the ongoing realities of the Holocaust... |
Baby Snooks |
Feb-25-09 10:41 AM |
#48 |
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Judging from the Swiss generosity ($5 Billion?) to humanitarian causes, I'd say |
BridgeTheGap |
Feb-26-09 08:28 AM |
#139 |
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Misinformation abounds |
sui generis |
Feb-25-09 09:51 AM |
#31 |
| -
Are you saying that the IRS already knows who these people are, |
redqueen |
Feb-25-09 10:08 AM |
#36 |
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for American citizens |
sui generis |
Feb-25-09 11:03 AM |
#53 |
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I'm in favor of them being required to provide the necessary information for us to enforce our laws. |
redqueen |
Feb-25-09 11:05 AM |
#55 |
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"Rabble"? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 11:45 AM |
#67 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Feb-25-09 12:29 PM |
#70 |
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yes it's obvious I don't "hate the rich" |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 08:15 AM |
#137 |
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Jesus Christ so many strawmen in that it should be declared a fire hazard |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 11:29 AM |
#164 |
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your tag says everything that needs to be said |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 11:53 AM |
#165 |
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You have nothing left but personal attacks at this point |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 12:14 PM |
#166 |
| -
you put words in everyone's mouth |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 12:15 PM |
#167 |
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That's rich. You accusing someone of putting words in another's mouth. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 12:17 PM |
#168 |
| -
see that ignore button? |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 12:22 PM |
#169 |
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Well, if I am stupid I can always improve on my knowledge |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 12:30 PM |
#170 |
| -
really? |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 12:33 PM |
#171 |
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I'm basing it off of what you posted and I am not taking it offline |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 12:44 PM |
#173 |
| -
what is the "it" you are basing "it" on? |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 12:55 PM |
#174 |
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Okay. Let's start with one of your more offensive strawman arguments in reply #67 |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 01:15 PM |
#175 |
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I am evil |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 03:40 PM |
#177 |
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You pile strawman on top of strawman but still refuse to address the actual points |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 03:57 PM |
#178 |
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no |
sui generis |
Feb-26-09 04:09 PM |
#179 |
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So, if the poor person opens an account with USB |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 04:28 PM |
#180 |
| -
speaking of blathering, little miss kitty |
sui generis |
Feb-27-09 08:38 AM |
#191 |
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I can honestly say |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-27-09 10:30 AM |
#192 |
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the sound of people agreeing with you is DEAFENING |
sui generis |
Feb-27-09 12:55 PM |
#194 |
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Only if they're aware of them.. |
Baby Snooks |
Feb-25-09 01:51 PM |
#83 |
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I would give a lot to learn the names on that list. There would be no |
Jefferson23 |
Feb-25-09 10:00 AM |
#34 |
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"Group"? Is that like, a mob? |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 10:13 AM |
#38 |
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More like a "cabal." |
DemoTex |
Feb-26-09 09:35 AM |
#146 |
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I can understand why they don't want their names disclosed. |
Buns_of_Fire |
Feb-25-09 10:35 AM |
#45 |
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it's not just a tax issue, it's illegal to have foreign bank accounts |
natrat |
Feb-25-09 10:37 AM |
#47 |
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No it's not. It's illegal to use it to evade taxes, yes. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 10:43 AM |
#50 |
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Feb-25-09 01:13 PM |
#77 |
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So pack up your shit and move to Switzerland if you don't want to pay taxes. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 01:18 PM |
#78 |
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Oh good lord, you have employees? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-25-09 02:44 PM |
#91 |
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Bull (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Feb-25-09 04:33 PM |
#101 |
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no the IRS doesn't have the names |
florida08 |
Feb-25-09 10:42 AM |
#49 |
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isn't there a new law where it costs you like 50% to move your money out of the US? |
natrat |
Feb-25-09 10:56 AM |
#51 |
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Funny. The rich suing the rich. n/t |
daggahead |
Feb-25-09 11:00 AM |
#52 |
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It's *almost* as though "the rich" wasn't a monolith or something! (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Feb-25-09 04:34 PM |
#103 |
| -
Wait a minute.. |
NorCalDem |
Feb-25-09 11:03 AM |
#54 |
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Self delete. nt |
Hansel |
Feb-25-09 11:07 AM |
#56 |
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Trostki's right - TRAILTORS. we could pay for stimulus package if we started collecting all the |
JohnWxy |
Feb-25-09 11:11 AM |
#57 |
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I'll bet a lot of interesting banking goes on during Davos meetings. |
Dover |
Feb-25-09 11:24 AM |
#61 |
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You know, I never thought about that! But you're absolutely right. |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 12:41 PM |
#74 |
| -
What a shady system. Their economy is based on helping tax |
acmavm |
Feb-25-09 11:24 AM |
#62 |
| -
I wonder if any from the bush junta is on the list of tax cheats? What about |
alfredo |
Feb-25-09 12:35 PM |
#71 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Feb-25-09 12:47 PM |
#75 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-25-09 02:25 PM |
#89 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-25-09 02:48 PM |
#92 |
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I don't recall seeing this FT article, 'Harbours of Resentment', from last December. Strong language |
closeupready |
Feb-25-09 02:51 PM |
#93 |
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doesn't be party to the suit reveal that they have hidden assets there? |
yurbud |
Feb-25-09 05:05 PM |
#105 |
| -
remember that the USA requires expatriates to keep paying taxes |
Lethe |
Feb-25-09 11:23 PM |
#111 |
| -
Get your facts straight. |
wolfgangmo |
Feb-26-09 05:14 AM |
#132 |
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....up to $80,000 of local foreign wages and salary is excluded |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 08:05 AM |
#134 |
| -
Oh boo hoo. And what the hell does that have to do with wealthy tax cheats? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 10:39 AM |
#158 |
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It's remarkable, isn't it, that even after establishing here that UBS conceded |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 10:48 AM |
#161 |
| -
They think they're upholding lofty principles |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 10:53 AM |
#162 |
| -
Sure whatever works, because money IS power in many ways. |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 11:17 AM |
#163 |
| -
I hate to break up the stupid party here, but |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 05:14 PM |
#181 |
| -
Please explain why this is relevant to the OP? |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 05:35 PM |
#184 |
| -
It is relevant to the post to which I was responding |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 06:36 PM |
#186 |
| -
Wow, where did I say that applied to you? Since you are correct, I guess |
closeupready |
Feb-26-09 08:21 PM |
#190 |
| -
Are these words not visible to you in my post? |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 05:18 PM |
#182 |
| -
Nice. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 05:40 PM |
#185 |
| -
And I know... |
jberryhill |
Feb-26-09 06:37 PM |
#187 |
| -
I didn't call you stupid. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 07:31 PM |
#188 |
| -
Are they keeping the plaintiff's names secret? |
McCamy Taylor |
Feb-26-09 01:57 AM |
#115 |
| -
Does UBS have a charter to operate in the US? |
vssmith |
Feb-26-09 03:39 AM |
#121 |
| -
That's exactly what the Justice Dep't threatened them with. |
Hello_Kitty |
Feb-26-09 10:34 AM |
#157 |
| -
Lets coin the phrase ........"illegal americans" |
TWiley |
Feb-26-09 04:39 AM |
#125 |
| -
This thread illustrates the triumph of talk radio rhetoric on the left. |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 10:29 AM |
#155 |
| -
Okay, let's make peace, we can all agree: TAX BONO NOW! |
JackRiddler |
Feb-26-09 07:38 PM |
#189 |
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The US should seize all of their assets. |
960 |
Feb-27-09 11:22 AM |
#193 |
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