Reply #16: defendandprotect

[Diclotican]

defendandprotect

United States of America can need all the help they can muster abroad, and if I can help, in my little way to make "some" sanity back into your country I would be more than happy to help.. Even that I doubt I would manage to do to much, but if I can at least give you some comfort, just being here.. I promise you, you are not alone about hoping to restore US to what it once was.. And I know the road ahead to do that is hard, steep and brutal.. But together it is possible to do it.

True, President Eisenhower was in many betrayed by his own.. The down shooting of U2 who originated from Bodø in Norway And was shoot down by the russian (I believe it to be SAM6 battery they was using then) And the political fallout of that spying was not pleasant, for the US, or Norway who was getting some icy letter from the russian foreign office.. If Eisenhower had get his will, the Paris talks should have going away anyway, and then, maybe then some of the cold war, haven't been that cold after all?.. Maybe it would be little more warmer at the worst part of the cold war if the two leaders had just managed to speak to each other in private.. Many wars had been stooped, if the leaders had just managed to sit down and speak to each other.. Or at least try to get a envoy between the parties...

And he WARNED about the military-industrial complex when he was leaving office Eisenhower, so I guess he tried at least, to give his successor a fair warning of about what he was about to encounter on his own.. And Kennedy was trying hard to rain in some of the most hard headed military officers, who really believed that US could win a nuclear standoff with Soviet Union... Well the US did have far more aircraft than the USSR had, but the russian had proved they do had the missile technology to send nuclear weapon to the US.. So even if US managed to somehow bomb Soviet, the Soviet missiles would give US a ugly reprisal if they ever tried...
And I do believe mr Eisenhower UNDERSTAND that more than the most generals, who believed the nuclear weapons to be little more than a convention tool to get the other part listening to what you have to say.
Like in the Korean war. Many generals was telling the President that, if he just used the nuclear weapon, the north korean would be put into line and for the most part allied forces would not be harmed..That they do not was thinking about, wat that USSR would be tempted to blow up some part of europe, just to get a message out to the US.. Do not use nuclear weapon. Or worse, put 4.5 million military trained forces into the korean pensulvania.. if you think the 1.5 chinese forces was bad, just think what 4.5 million soldiers from the red army, who at the point had real combat experience from Europe could do to the allied forces who was trying to not be thrown out in the sea....

President Kennedy on the other hand, heritages the bay of pigs, who failed miserably, and the start of the US intervention in the Vietnam civil war, who was fast a US war instead of just north and south fighting them selfs to the death... And even that mr Kennedy tried to end the war, he failed, specially because most american was scared to near death about the possibility that some one wanted to have another ideology, or another country than yourself at the time.. And at the time it might have seen logical to defend a "loyal allied" (The south) Even that the "friend" was less democratic than prefered..

But, even that Kennedy was doing some thing that was not smart, he was still a good president, compared to many after him, LBJ got hocked up in the Vietnam War. Even that he was trying to build his "great society" and was not reelected by own wishes. He screwed both, even that he Tried his best to build something that could be a bright future for the american public, a real safety net for they who was in need of it. If I do not are totally wrong LBJ was from a poor farmer family, and know well the danger of been poor in a country who had less public help, than Europe had right after WW2.. And this was in the 1960s, when the US was FAR richer than most European country..

I for one is less than impressed by the Warren report, who claimed Oswald to be the sole shooter of Kennedy.. Yes he had the gun, he might have triggered it to. But I doubt that just ONE bullet, can zig-zag 7 times between the President, and the next man who was sitting in the same car, and not be more destroyed than it was... And we all know that CIA was very clever to murder people they do not like, as they had been doing for many year in the cold war.. I have a feeling that in the year 2080 or so, the truth about the murder of Kennedy would came to light - and that some person in the "agency" was behind it.. Because Kennedy had ticket off a lot of powerfully persons in the year following 1963....

That is true to, you can really be betrayed by your closest friends - I know by experience who hurtfully that can be.. And I have a feeling that mr Obama must trust not just his advisor's, but also his mind himself.. Because he is in a mind field of enemies, who just want him to fail once, to get him killed.. For them it is worse than just that the fact that he is Democrat, but he is also a BLACK person.. And that is maybe worse, than the fact that he is a democratic President. Who in itself is bad, because they really was dreaming about "conservative majority" for the next 100 year or so... And then when the american public, who they believed to be cowards enough voted in a BLACK MAN the whole gang got berserk.. And in other forums I am on, some in norway too, they who still love mr Bush and the Neo-Con are going totally NUTS about how bad mr Obama are, and who terrible he are to the country, and who stupid he is and so on.. The same persons who claimed that mr Bush must have "some leverage" because he was new on the job, are fighting mr Obama nail and tail, long before he had had the possibility to take some control over the government at all.. They just hate the idea of a democratic President.. Who by the way is BLACK..

I hope Ms and Mr Obama have their feet on the ground, and that the advice from his wife can guide him in the rough water he would be in for the next 4 or 8 year.. And I hope their love, their passion who is to clearly to everyone who want to se, is there when the hell is over and they can go back to just be a couple.. You can clearly se that mr and ms Obama are in love, and have a Passion not been seen in the White house since the spring of mr Clinton's first term in office.. They are REALLY in love. And it is just amazing to se it so clearly.. You must be blind and stupid if you do not believe they to be in love. A deep love too.

Well I found DU in a Norwegian news paper, on the message board there. This was before the Iraq war, and some of the other debatants there was pointing to a new message board, called Democratic Underground. I was first just curious, but after a while I was somehow "hocked" on it.. And in the last 7 year it have been one of the wherry few places who I could manage to stay sane, in the "USA, USA, USA crowd who really believed mr Bush to be the savior of all mankind... And as the war in Iraq was going down the tube, the crowd was just going more and more angry by the day.. Today if you just try to debate the case with some civility they would trow everything they might have at you.. To claim that mr Bush was right after all, and that we who was against the Iraq War should go home and shame on ourself.. I am a faighter, or just stupid, and have get into more "fight" with this ******* more than healthy is.. But on DU, and other progressive sites I have managed to get a medical assistance, when the insanity of the right is almost getting into me to.. I guess I have been writing here for a year or so, and my english, is better today too, so I have getting two for one deal My sanity, and a better english.

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language.