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169. Errr... Care to look at the actual tally?
Edited on Sat Feb-07-09 01:28 AM by depakid
* 1979 – the whaler Sierra rammed and sunk in Portugal;
* 1980 – the whalers Isba I and Isba II sunk in Vigo, Spain;
* 1980 – the whalers Susan and Theresa sunk in South Africa;
* 1986 – the whaling ships Hvalur 6 and Hvalur 7 sunk in Iceland;
* 1992 – the whaler Nybraena sunk in Norway;
* 1994 – the whaler Senet sunk in Norway;
* 1998 – the whaler Morild sunk in Norway.

In 2007, two ships operated by Sea Shepherd (Farley Mowat and Robert Hunter) were removed from the shipping registers of the United Kingdom and Belize. Later on that year, the ships received the flag of the Kahnawake Mohawk nation. According to a November 2007 article in The New Yorker, both the Farley Mowat, and the Steve Irwin now sail under the Dutch flag.

In December 2007, the ship Robert Hunter was renamed the Steve Irwin, after Australian Steve Irwin ("The Crocodile Hunter"), who was rumored to be planning to sail with the Sea Shepherds.
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  -Protest ship rams whaler depakid  Feb-05-09 07:07 PM   #0 
  - The SS is getting ridiculous.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:11 PM   #1 
  - I'm actually glad they did it  Taverner   Feb-05-09 07:13 PM   #3 
  - Are you claiming violence is an acceptable tactic to prevent whaling?  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:16 PM   #6 
  - Vandalism yes  Taverner   Feb-05-09 07:17 PM   #7 
  - How about violence?  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:18 PM   #8 
     - There was nothing violent about their tactics  Taverner   Feb-05-09 07:20 PM   #10 
     - Will you answer the question?  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:25 PM   #13 
        - Depends  Taverner   Feb-05-09 07:26 PM   #14 
        - Question answered, thank you. Now about your playing chicken comment...  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:30 PM   #19 
           - Information on which boat is which  Nihil   Feb-06-09 07:10 AM   #65 
        - Define Violence ...  Redwraithvienna   Feb-05-09 07:51 PM   #29 
        - Check out the water in the photo, you can see that the SS came up right behind the whaler's ship.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 08:14 PM   #41 
           - Don't be dense  psychopomp   Feb-05-09 10:12 PM   #58 
           - The captain of the SS is an ignorant fool who should not be running a ship.  Marrah_G   Feb-06-09 07:30 AM   #67 
              - Actually it's the Steve Irwin  atreides1   Feb-06-09 12:23 PM   #96 
                 - They have had two ships by that name as well, and the Steve Irwin has Sea Shepard painted on it  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 07:31 PM   #129 
           - If you want to be a poster boy for the whalers go ahead..  snooper2   Feb-06-09 09:32 AM   #78 
              - I am not concerned about the Steve Irwin, because its an inanimate object.  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 12:17 PM   #93 
              - Pro-Whale  snooper2   Feb-06-09 01:45 PM   #103 
              - Thank you  Scairp   Feb-07-09 02:47 PM   #180 
        - A whale is almost human in terms of its intelligence  Downtown Hound   Feb-05-09 09:31 PM   #54 
        - "would you feel that it's so unacceptable if they were killing human beings?"  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 09:53 PM   #55 
        - Yes!  underseasurveyor   Feb-05-09 11:16 PM   #62 
           - Are you a supporter of the Death Penalty?  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 12:20 PM   #94 
              - Only for for those that needlessly and illegally kill marine mammals  underseasurveyor   Feb-06-09 08:49 PM   #140 
     - What hasn't violence fixed?  mdmc   Feb-06-09 03:17 PM   #119 
        - It certainly finalized any number of things, but I am not sure I would call that fixed  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 07:42 PM   #132 
  - you don't get it-- the Steve Irwin's tactics are NONVIOLENT....  mike_c   Feb-05-09 07:19 PM   #9 
  - Yep  Taverner   Feb-05-09 07:21 PM   #11 
  - People could have gotten seriously hurt or killed in that stunt.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:24 PM   #12 
  - Dude that is a non sequitor if there ever was  Taverner   Feb-05-09 07:27 PM   #15 
  - that's a meaningless comparison....  mike_c   Feb-05-09 07:30 PM   #20 
  - Look at the water in the photo, the boat was rammed.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:32 PM   #22 
     - AFTER it swung directly ahead of the Steve Irwin...  mike_c   Feb-05-09 07:42 PM   #26 
  - If my loved one, who was going to buy some hot dogs, was  Dumak   Feb-05-09 07:33 PM   #23 
  - Give it a rest, ZH.  petersjo02   Feb-05-09 10:27 PM   #59 
  - The SS has done some other really stupid shit that put their own crew in jeopardy  Marrah_G   Feb-06-09 07:29 AM   #66 
     - Word up  XemaSab   Feb-07-09 12:17 AM   #166 
  - Look at the water in the photo, one ship rammed the other.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:31 PM   #21 
  - Maybe their anti-skid braking system was inoperative.  Usrename   Feb-06-09 08:44 PM   #138 
     - The whalers were rammed.  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 09:04 PM   #144 
        - Nope, I don't think so.  Usrename   Feb-06-09 09:41 PM   #145 
           - Oh, SNAP!  flvegan   Feb-06-09 09:45 PM   #146 
           - In any event...  Usrename   Feb-06-09 10:07 PM   #149 
           - Huh? It's perfectly clear in that clip that the Irwin is making a sharp right turn  petronius   Feb-06-09 10:22 PM   #150 
              - That would have come after the other ship slowed.  Usrename   Feb-06-09 11:01 PM   #154 
                 - In the clip you responded to, the Irwin turned to starboard and hit a Japanese vessel  petronius   Feb-06-09 11:41 PM   #163 
                    - I don't think you understand what I am saying.  Usrename   Feb-07-09 12:06 AM   #165 
                       - But the Irwin clearly turns to starboard, which brings them into contact  petronius   Feb-07-09 01:13 AM   #168 
                          - You don't get it at all.  Usrename   Feb-07-09 11:33 AM   #178 
                             - You're repeating the SS description and ignoring what's actually on video  petronius   Feb-07-09 12:11 PM   #179 
                                - I do not think that I have it wrong.  Usrename   Feb-08-09 05:35 AM   #182 
                                   - You're seeing what you want to see, but I'll try one more time  petronius   Feb-08-09 02:10 PM   #184 
                                      - I see what you are saying, but you miss the point completely.  Usrename   Feb-09-09 03:02 PM   #186 
                                         - If these were cars, or if the Irwin had just clipped the stern, I'd say you had a point,  petronius   Feb-09-09 07:54 PM   #187 
                                         - They don't turn very fast, but they do slow down quickly from top speed.  Usrename   Feb-09-09 10:34 PM   #188 
                                         - Not that quickly they don't - even if the Japanese boat had cut power  petronius   Feb-09-09 11:34 PM   #189 
  - thanks mike  leftchick   Feb-06-09 08:19 AM   #73 
  - You could not have watched the video. nt  Bonobo   Feb-06-09 11:24 PM   #155 
  - Yes, to save the whales, I'm on the side of the protestors.  Hawkeye-X   Feb-05-09 07:29 PM   #17 
  - The taboo against violence is often invoked by the empowered to justify social injustices.  The Stranger   Feb-06-09 08:42 AM   #74 
  - How do you feel about Gandhi?  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 12:22 PM   #95 
     - Love him. What does that have to do with what we were talking about?  The Stranger   Feb-06-09 01:26 PM   #102 
        - Gandhi spoke out against violence, and your post (#74) is pro-violence.  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 02:36 PM   #109 
           - Bullshit. My post is trying to wake you up as to the reality of violence.  The Stranger   Feb-06-09 05:06 PM   #124 
              - "Any philosopher worth his or her weight in dogshit will tell you"  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 05:34 PM   #128 
                 - Why do you think it is OK for a few folks to do this?  Usrename   Feb-06-09 08:50 PM   #141 
                 - So you agree then that violence, in itself, is niether moral or immoral.  The Stranger   Feb-07-09 11:37 PM   #181 
  - Save the whales. Kill the humans!  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:40 AM   #82 
  - It's all nice until  John Kerry VonErich   Feb-06-09 04:24 PM   #122 
  - I much perfer you sitting on your ass.  mikelgb   Feb-06-09 09:49 AM   #86 
  - I'm glad they did it too  slay   Feb-05-09 09:02 PM   #50 
  - I seem to remeber Greenpeace ramming a whaler in the early 80s.  MUAD_DIB   Feb-05-09 09:13 PM   #53 
  - That's idiotic  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:38 AM   #81 
  - BOYCOTT Japanese goods - a nonviolent tactic that would work  wordpix   Feb-07-09 08:13 AM   #174 
  - fuck the whales!  leftchick   Feb-05-09 07:15 PM   #4 
  - no, they're not....  mike_c   Feb-05-09 07:15 PM   #5 
  - This is where I'd think  cosmicone   Feb-05-09 07:51 PM   #30 
  - you might be on to something  snooper2   Feb-06-09 09:38 AM   #80 
  - No, they;re not.  glitch   Feb-05-09 07:55 PM   #35 
  - Another DUer unaware of how the Japanese whalers are breaking treaties.  Alexander   Feb-05-09 08:39 PM   #47 
  - Those treaties are not recognized by most of the world, including the U.S.  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 03:09 PM   #118 
  - I hope they do more...  snooper2   Feb-06-09 09:26 AM   #77 
  - Are you a vegetarian?  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 02:39 PM   #110 
  - I believe ramming has long been in their playbook n/t  spoony   Feb-06-09 02:41 PM   #111 
  - Its how Watson does business. It will end when he loses this ship  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 07:43 PM   #133 
  - No it won't.  flvegan   Feb-06-09 08:22 PM   #136 
     - My point is that Watson is the defining force behind the SSCS and when he goes away it will wither  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 10:28 PM   #151 
  - yeah, SS is terrible, trying to enforce anti-whaling laws when gov's that signed treaties won't  wordpix   Feb-07-09 08:01 AM   #171 
  - Bravo, Steve Irwin!  mike_c   Feb-05-09 07:12 PM   #2 
  - Great! I admire these brave souls more than anyone else I can think of.  MasonJar   Feb-05-09 07:28 PM   #16 
  - I am no fan of whaling, but the "Steve Irwin" was clearly at fault here  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 07:29 PM   #18 
  - Sorry, Harry - Yushin Maro #2 is in the WRONG big time.  Hawkeye-X   Feb-05-09 07:34 PM   #24 
  - I am simply stating that the "Steve Irwin" was negligent in its actions  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 07:48 PM   #28 
  - No courts in the world will find against Steve Irwin - as they are the enforcers of the said law  Hawkeye-X   Feb-05-09 07:52 PM   #33 
  - And that is NOT what I am talking about here  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 07:56 PM   #37 
  - Sea Shepard and the Steve Irwin are not legitimate "enforcers" of any law.  Lance_Boyle   Feb-06-09 03:01 PM   #115 
  - SS is the enforcer, since the nations that signed anti-whaling treaties won't do it  wordpix   Feb-07-09 08:11 AM   #173 
  - You need to read up some  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 10:41 PM   #152 
  - Even if it were true that the Japanese actually were the "victims"  arikara   Feb-06-09 02:53 PM   #113 
  - I saw the "shooting"  Marrah_G   Feb-06-09 07:36 AM   #70 
  - Watson was not shot.  Codeine   Feb-06-09 01:54 PM   #106 
  - No, you are wrong, LOS does apply  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 07:38 PM   #130 
  - as I understand it, the Yushin Maru 2 was not the ship engaged...  mike_c   Feb-05-09 07:38 PM   #25 
  - Sorry, you're wrong  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 07:54 PM   #34 
     - You are exactly right, Harry  sailor65   Feb-05-09 08:40 PM   #48 
  - Hawkeye-X and Mike-c appear correct and you appear wrong.  glitch   Feb-05-09 07:52 PM   #32 
  - You have no concept of Admiralty Law and proportionate blame in a collision, do you?  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 08:00 PM   #38 
     - Really? More baseless assumptions on your part.  glitch   Feb-05-09 08:12 PM   #39 
     - Most countries do not recognize Australia's claim on those waters.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 08:13 PM   #40 
     - I am not making any assumptions whatsoever. I am simply stating the law as Admiralty Courts  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 08:17 PM   #42 
     - Yes you are. You are assuming the Steve Irwin rammed the whaler.  glitch   Feb-05-09 08:24 PM   #43 
        - The picture clearly shows the "Steve Irwin" as the after vessel  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 08:32 PM   #44 
           - Wait for it. nt  glitch   Feb-05-09 08:35 PM   #45 
           - Wait for what? Another clueless ,snarky, remark from you?  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:45 AM   #84 
           - Interesting then that there's never been a judgment rendered against its vessels  depakid   Feb-05-09 08:43 PM   #49 
           - This time they might face some charges  Marrah_G   Feb-06-09 07:46 AM   #72 
              - There was a simlar incident last year  depakid   Feb-06-09 09:46 AM   #85 
           - Isn't the stand-on vessel supposed to hold it's course steady?  Usrename   Feb-06-09 09:59 PM   #147 
     - You don't know what you're talking about.  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:43 AM   #83 
     - I don't think you are correct either. Disagreeing isn't disrespect.  glitch   Feb-06-09 02:08 PM   #108 
     - Where is it illegal?  Bonobo   Feb-06-09 11:30 PM   #157 
     - Here's the video  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 11:56 AM   #92 
        - That pretty clearly (~2:20) shows the Steve Irwin deliberately ramming  petronius   Feb-06-09 08:16 PM   #135 
           - +1  Bonobo   Feb-06-09 11:30 PM   #158 
  - That would only be true if the Steve Irwin had collided with the Maru #1.  Nihil   Feb-06-09 07:00 AM   #64 
  - Have you seen their tv show? The captain is dangerously ignorant  Marrah_G   Feb-06-09 07:34 AM   #69 
  - "law of the sea": how about enforcement of anti-whaling treaties?  wordpix   Feb-07-09 08:07 AM   #172 
  - Good.  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-05-09 07:46 PM   #27 
  - I support the Sea Shepherd and direct action.  roody   Feb-05-09 07:51 PM   #31 
  - You mean whaler rams protest ship!  robinlynne   Feb-05-09 07:56 PM   #36 
  - Good for Sea Shepherd!!! Sink'em!!!! nt  and-justice-for-all   Feb-05-09 08:37 PM   #46 
  - Like it or not whaling is still legal  Tony238   Feb-05-09 09:09 PM   #51 
  - Welcome to DU. May your skin be thick. nt  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 09:54 PM   #56 
  - ... because your head certainly is ... (n/t)  Nihil   Feb-06-09 06:48 AM   #63 
  - They had a moral obligation to interfere with that particular legal activity  Nevernose   Feb-05-09 10:28 PM   #60 
  - According to you  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:51 AM   #88 
  - I don't think it is legal.  Usrename   Feb-06-09 10:04 PM   #148 
  - Kill people to save the whales! Rah! Rah! Rah!  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:50 AM   #87 
     - No  atreides1   Feb-06-09 12:33 PM   #97 
        - OK  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 01:10 PM   #100 
  - The Japanese whalers must be in trouble when they are willing to risk their ship's safety  Larkspur   Feb-05-09 09:10 PM   #52 
  - Naming a ship the "Steve Irwin" then going around trying to IMPALE whaling ships with it --  smalll   Feb-05-09 09:57 PM   #57 
  - LOL!!  Bonobo   Feb-06-09 11:32 PM   #159 
  - Right or Wrong  underseasurveyor   Feb-05-09 10:41 PM   #61 
  - Once you are willing to ram  Pavulon   Feb-06-09 07:31 AM   #68 
  - he's already had at least one young volunteer hurt due to ignorance and lack of training  Marrah_G   Feb-06-09 07:45 AM   #71 
  - Fight on, Sea Shepherd! Fight the Whaler Criminals!  The Stranger   Feb-06-09 08:44 AM   #75 
  - The violence is all on the part of the whaling fleet  Omaha Steve   Feb-06-09 08:55 AM   #76 
  - That's dangerously stupid.  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:38 AM   #79 
  - Check LBN  Omaha Steve   Feb-06-09 01:48 PM   #104 
  - "Lots a Love" on this Thread  saigon68   Feb-06-09 09:58 AM   #89 
  - Watson is a very polarizing element, even among those of us who are serious about conservation  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-07-09 12:19 AM   #167 
  - I have no respect for the Steve Irwin or its crew  Godhumor   Feb-06-09 10:18 AM   #90 
  - "There has to be better people and organizations" -- Guess what? There aren't.  Barrett808   Feb-06-09 11:07 AM   #91 
  - You have torpedoed your rep.  Bonobo   Feb-06-09 11:34 PM   #160 
  - "I will never take a sea Shepherd press release at face value due to that incident."  Codeine   Feb-06-09 01:59 PM   #107 
     - So you view ICR press releases as the unvarnished truth?  Barrett808   Feb-06-09 02:59 PM   #114 
        - Logical fallacy, dead ahead!  Codeine   Feb-06-09 03:44 PM   #121 
  - Somebody needs to arrest Paul Watson.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Feb-06-09 12:34 PM   #98 
  - Hopefullybefore he gets someone killed in these stunts n/t  Godhumor   Feb-06-09 12:49 PM   #99 
  - "Costa Rica where he's wanted for attempted murder" -- Pure BS  Barrett808   Feb-06-09 03:04 PM   #116 
     - The Norway conviction is still valid though  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 03:28 PM   #120 
  - False fucking headline.  flvegan   Feb-06-09 01:20 PM   #101 
  - Word. n/t  Barrett808   Feb-06-09 03:04 PM   #117 
  - I have no dog in this fight but it's pretty clear the protesters rammed the whalers.  Hassin Bin Sober   Feb-06-09 04:53 PM   #123 
  - That's "clear" to you?  flvegan   Feb-06-09 08:24 PM   #137 
  - What's not clear about it?  Hassin Bin Sober   Feb-06-09 08:44 PM   #139 
     - Looks to me  flvegan   Feb-06-09 08:58 PM   #143 
        - also possible all those water cannons blinded the captain/crew  wordpix   Feb-07-09 08:20 AM   #176 
  - By the looks of it  flvegan   Feb-06-09 08:56 PM   #142 
  - It isn't that clear to me.  Usrename   Feb-06-09 11:25 PM   #156 
  - were you a witness?  wordpix   Feb-07-09 08:16 AM   #175 
     - I witnessed the video. I have two eyes and I can see.  Hassin Bin Sober   Feb-07-09 09:49 AM   #177 
  - The video is completely unambiguous. They rammed them from behind.  Bonobo   Feb-06-09 11:35 PM   #162 
     - Really? I saw it and I disagree.  flvegan   Feb-06-09 11:54 PM   #164 
        - The weaponry, illegal or not, is a response to stated threats of violence.  Bonobo   Feb-07-09 07:23 AM   #170 
  - YAY  Joanne98   Feb-06-09 01:50 PM   #105 
  - Not just good for the whales. It's great for the ratings!  cottonseed   Feb-06-09 02:44 PM   #112 
  - Yeah Watson, it was their fault.  time_has_come   Feb-06-09 05:27 PM   #125 
  - "We have never seen them this aggressive." What a SCAM Watson is running.  time_has_come   Feb-06-09 05:30 PM   #126 
  - The latest on the SSCS site does show things that have not been done before  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 11:34 PM   #161 
  - This is the kind of thing that gets you sunk to the bottom of the ocean  progressoid   Feb-06-09 05:31 PM   #127 
  - Or your ship locked down  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 07:41 PM   #131 
  - I do remember the Rainbow Warrior: French agents were convicted of manslaughter. n/t  Barrett808   Feb-06-09 08:01 PM   #134 
  - And released.  progressoid   Feb-06-09 10:48 PM   #153 
  - Errr... Care to look at the actual tally?  depakid   Feb-07-09 01:28 AM   #169 
     - Also worth noting that the whalers' Oriental Bluebird was deflagged by Panama...  Barrett808   Feb-08-09 02:59 PM   #185 
  - This is international piracy  crimsonblue   Feb-08-09 05:39 AM   #183 
 

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