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68. Once you are willing to ram
a ship dozens of miles from any real medical help you should be willing to sink it outright. People are seriously injured when sailboats collide. At 6 - 10 kts. Once you start colliding large vessels you are taking a risk of seriously injuring or killing people.

Maybe they can find some torpedoes.

Not a fan of whalers but once you are willing to be violent dont bring a knife to a gunfight right?
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  -Protest ship rams whaler depakid  Feb-05-09 07:07 PM   #0 
  - The SS is getting ridiculous.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:11 PM   #1 
  - I'm actually glad they did it  Taverner   Feb-05-09 07:13 PM   #3 
  - Are you claiming violence is an acceptable tactic to prevent whaling?  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:16 PM   #6 
  - Vandalism yes  Taverner   Feb-05-09 07:17 PM   #7 
  - How about violence?  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:18 PM   #8 
     - There was nothing violent about their tactics  Taverner   Feb-05-09 07:20 PM   #10 
     - Will you answer the question?  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:25 PM   #13 
        - Depends  Taverner   Feb-05-09 07:26 PM   #14 
        - Question answered, thank you. Now about your playing chicken comment...  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:30 PM   #19 
           - Information on which boat is which  Nihil   Feb-06-09 07:10 AM   #65 
        - Define Violence ...  Redwraithvienna   Feb-05-09 07:51 PM   #29 
        - Check out the water in the photo, you can see that the SS came up right behind the whaler's ship.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 08:14 PM   #41 
           - Don't be dense  psychopomp   Feb-05-09 10:12 PM   #58 
           - The captain of the SS is an ignorant fool who should not be running a ship.  Marrah_G   Feb-06-09 07:30 AM   #67 
              - Actually it's the Steve Irwin  atreides1   Feb-06-09 12:23 PM   #96 
                 - They have had two ships by that name as well, and the Steve Irwin has Sea Shepard painted on it  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 07:31 PM   #129 
           - If you want to be a poster boy for the whalers go ahead..  snooper2   Feb-06-09 09:32 AM   #78 
              - I am not concerned about the Steve Irwin, because its an inanimate object.  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 12:17 PM   #93 
              - Pro-Whale  snooper2   Feb-06-09 01:45 PM   #103 
              - Thank you  Scairp   Feb-07-09 02:47 PM   #180 
        - A whale is almost human in terms of its intelligence  Downtown Hound   Feb-05-09 09:31 PM   #54 
        - "would you feel that it's so unacceptable if they were killing human beings?"  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 09:53 PM   #55 
        - Yes!  underseasurveyor   Feb-05-09 11:16 PM   #62 
           - Are you a supporter of the Death Penalty?  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 12:20 PM   #94 
              - Only for for those that needlessly and illegally kill marine mammals  underseasurveyor   Feb-06-09 08:49 PM   #140 
     - What hasn't violence fixed?  mdmc   Feb-06-09 03:17 PM   #119 
        - It certainly finalized any number of things, but I am not sure I would call that fixed  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 07:42 PM   #132 
  - you don't get it-- the Steve Irwin's tactics are NONVIOLENT....  mike_c   Feb-05-09 07:19 PM   #9 
  - Yep  Taverner   Feb-05-09 07:21 PM   #11 
  - People could have gotten seriously hurt or killed in that stunt.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:24 PM   #12 
  - Dude that is a non sequitor if there ever was  Taverner   Feb-05-09 07:27 PM   #15 
  - that's a meaningless comparison....  mike_c   Feb-05-09 07:30 PM   #20 
  - Look at the water in the photo, the boat was rammed.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:32 PM   #22 
     - AFTER it swung directly ahead of the Steve Irwin...  mike_c   Feb-05-09 07:42 PM   #26 
  - If my loved one, who was going to buy some hot dogs, was  Dumak   Feb-05-09 07:33 PM   #23 
  - Give it a rest, ZH.  petersjo02   Feb-05-09 10:27 PM   #59 
  - The SS has done some other really stupid shit that put their own crew in jeopardy  Marrah_G   Feb-06-09 07:29 AM   #66 
     - Word up  XemaSab   Feb-07-09 12:17 AM   #166 
  - Look at the water in the photo, one ship rammed the other.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 07:31 PM   #21 
  - Maybe their anti-skid braking system was inoperative.  Usrename   Feb-06-09 08:44 PM   #138 
     - The whalers were rammed.  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 09:04 PM   #144 
        - Nope, I don't think so.  Usrename   Feb-06-09 09:41 PM   #145 
           - Oh, SNAP!  flvegan   Feb-06-09 09:45 PM   #146 
           - In any event...  Usrename   Feb-06-09 10:07 PM   #149 
           - Huh? It's perfectly clear in that clip that the Irwin is making a sharp right turn  petronius   Feb-06-09 10:22 PM   #150 
              - That would have come after the other ship slowed.  Usrename   Feb-06-09 11:01 PM   #154 
                 - In the clip you responded to, the Irwin turned to starboard and hit a Japanese vessel  petronius   Feb-06-09 11:41 PM   #163 
                    - I don't think you understand what I am saying.  Usrename   Feb-07-09 12:06 AM   #165 
                       - But the Irwin clearly turns to starboard, which brings them into contact  petronius   Feb-07-09 01:13 AM   #168 
                          - You don't get it at all.  Usrename   Feb-07-09 11:33 AM   #178 
                             - You're repeating the SS description and ignoring what's actually on video  petronius   Feb-07-09 12:11 PM   #179 
                                - I do not think that I have it wrong.  Usrename   Feb-08-09 05:35 AM   #182 
                                   - You're seeing what you want to see, but I'll try one more time  petronius   Feb-08-09 02:10 PM   #184 
                                      - I see what you are saying, but you miss the point completely.  Usrename   Feb-09-09 03:02 PM   #186 
                                         - If these were cars, or if the Irwin had just clipped the stern, I'd say you had a point,  petronius   Feb-09-09 07:54 PM   #187 
                                         - They don't turn very fast, but they do slow down quickly from top speed.  Usrename   Feb-09-09 10:34 PM   #188 
                                         - Not that quickly they don't - even if the Japanese boat had cut power  petronius   Feb-09-09 11:34 PM   #189 
  - thanks mike  leftchick   Feb-06-09 08:19 AM   #73 
  - You could not have watched the video. nt  Bonobo   Feb-06-09 11:24 PM   #155 
  - Yes, to save the whales, I'm on the side of the protestors.  Hawkeye-X   Feb-05-09 07:29 PM   #17 
  - The taboo against violence is often invoked by the empowered to justify social injustices.  The Stranger   Feb-06-09 08:42 AM   #74 
  - How do you feel about Gandhi?  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 12:22 PM   #95 
     - Love him. What does that have to do with what we were talking about?  The Stranger   Feb-06-09 01:26 PM   #102 
        - Gandhi spoke out against violence, and your post (#74) is pro-violence.  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 02:36 PM   #109 
           - Bullshit. My post is trying to wake you up as to the reality of violence.  The Stranger   Feb-06-09 05:06 PM   #124 
              - "Any philosopher worth his or her weight in dogshit will tell you"  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 05:34 PM   #128 
                 - Why do you think it is OK for a few folks to do this?  Usrename   Feb-06-09 08:50 PM   #141 
                 - So you agree then that violence, in itself, is niether moral or immoral.  The Stranger   Feb-07-09 11:37 PM   #181 
  - Save the whales. Kill the humans!  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:40 AM   #82 
  - It's all nice until  John Kerry VonErich   Feb-06-09 04:24 PM   #122 
  - I much perfer you sitting on your ass.  mikelgb   Feb-06-09 09:49 AM   #86 
  - I'm glad they did it too  slay   Feb-05-09 09:02 PM   #50 
  - I seem to remeber Greenpeace ramming a whaler in the early 80s.  MUAD_DIB   Feb-05-09 09:13 PM   #53 
  - That's idiotic  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:38 AM   #81 
  - BOYCOTT Japanese goods - a nonviolent tactic that would work  wordpix   Feb-07-09 08:13 AM   #174 
  - fuck the whales!  leftchick   Feb-05-09 07:15 PM   #4 
  - no, they're not....  mike_c   Feb-05-09 07:15 PM   #5 
  - This is where I'd think  cosmicone   Feb-05-09 07:51 PM   #30 
  - you might be on to something  snooper2   Feb-06-09 09:38 AM   #80 
  - No, they;re not.  glitch   Feb-05-09 07:55 PM   #35 
  - Another DUer unaware of how the Japanese whalers are breaking treaties.  Alexander   Feb-05-09 08:39 PM   #47 
  - Those treaties are not recognized by most of the world, including the U.S.  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 03:09 PM   #118 
  - I hope they do more...  snooper2   Feb-06-09 09:26 AM   #77 
  - Are you a vegetarian?  ZombieHorde   Feb-06-09 02:39 PM   #110 
  - I believe ramming has long been in their playbook n/t  spoony   Feb-06-09 02:41 PM   #111 
  - Its how Watson does business. It will end when he loses this ship  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 07:43 PM   #133 
  - No it won't.  flvegan   Feb-06-09 08:22 PM   #136 
     - My point is that Watson is the defining force behind the SSCS and when he goes away it will wither  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 10:28 PM   #151 
  - yeah, SS is terrible, trying to enforce anti-whaling laws when gov's that signed treaties won't  wordpix   Feb-07-09 08:01 AM   #171 
  - Bravo, Steve Irwin!  mike_c   Feb-05-09 07:12 PM   #2 
  - Great! I admire these brave souls more than anyone else I can think of.  MasonJar   Feb-05-09 07:28 PM   #16 
  - I am no fan of whaling, but the "Steve Irwin" was clearly at fault here  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 07:29 PM   #18 
  - Sorry, Harry - Yushin Maro #2 is in the WRONG big time.  Hawkeye-X   Feb-05-09 07:34 PM   #24 
  - I am simply stating that the "Steve Irwin" was negligent in its actions  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 07:48 PM   #28 
  - No courts in the world will find against Steve Irwin - as they are the enforcers of the said law  Hawkeye-X   Feb-05-09 07:52 PM   #33 
  - And that is NOT what I am talking about here  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 07:56 PM   #37 
  - Sea Shepard and the Steve Irwin are not legitimate "enforcers" of any law.  Lance_Boyle   Feb-06-09 03:01 PM   #115 
  - SS is the enforcer, since the nations that signed anti-whaling treaties won't do it  wordpix   Feb-07-09 08:11 AM   #173 
  - You need to read up some  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 10:41 PM   #152 
  - Even if it were true that the Japanese actually were the "victims"  arikara   Feb-06-09 02:53 PM   #113 
  - I saw the "shooting"  Marrah_G   Feb-06-09 07:36 AM   #70 
  - Watson was not shot.  Codeine   Feb-06-09 01:54 PM   #106 
  - No, you are wrong, LOS does apply  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 07:38 PM   #130 
  - as I understand it, the Yushin Maru 2 was not the ship engaged...  mike_c   Feb-05-09 07:38 PM   #25 
  - Sorry, you're wrong  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 07:54 PM   #34 
     - You are exactly right, Harry  sailor65   Feb-05-09 08:40 PM   #48 
  - Hawkeye-X and Mike-c appear correct and you appear wrong.  glitch   Feb-05-09 07:52 PM   #32 
  - You have no concept of Admiralty Law and proportionate blame in a collision, do you?  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 08:00 PM   #38 
     - Really? More baseless assumptions on your part.  glitch   Feb-05-09 08:12 PM   #39 
     - Most countries do not recognize Australia's claim on those waters.  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 08:13 PM   #40 
     - I am not making any assumptions whatsoever. I am simply stating the law as Admiralty Courts  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 08:17 PM   #42 
     - Yes you are. You are assuming the Steve Irwin rammed the whaler.  glitch   Feb-05-09 08:24 PM   #43 
        - The picture clearly shows the "Steve Irwin" as the after vessel  Harry Monroe   Feb-05-09 08:32 PM   #44 
           - Wait for it. nt  glitch   Feb-05-09 08:35 PM   #45 
           - Wait for what? Another clueless ,snarky, remark from you?  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:45 AM   #84 
           - Interesting then that there's never been a judgment rendered against its vessels  depakid   Feb-05-09 08:43 PM   #49 
           - This time they might face some charges  Marrah_G   Feb-06-09 07:46 AM   #72 
              - There was a simlar incident last year  depakid   Feb-06-09 09:46 AM   #85 
           - Isn't the stand-on vessel supposed to hold it's course steady?  Usrename   Feb-06-09 09:59 PM   #147 
     - You don't know what you're talking about.  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:43 AM   #83 
     - I don't think you are correct either. Disagreeing isn't disrespect.  glitch   Feb-06-09 02:08 PM   #108 
     - Where is it illegal?  Bonobo   Feb-06-09 11:30 PM   #157 
     - Here's the video  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 11:56 AM   #92 
        - That pretty clearly (~2:20) shows the Steve Irwin deliberately ramming  petronius   Feb-06-09 08:16 PM   #135 
           - +1  Bonobo   Feb-06-09 11:30 PM   #158 
  - That would only be true if the Steve Irwin had collided with the Maru #1.  Nihil   Feb-06-09 07:00 AM   #64 
  - Have you seen their tv show? The captain is dangerously ignorant  Marrah_G   Feb-06-09 07:34 AM   #69 
  - "law of the sea": how about enforcement of anti-whaling treaties?  wordpix   Feb-07-09 08:07 AM   #172 
  - Good.  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-05-09 07:46 PM   #27 
  - I support the Sea Shepherd and direct action.  roody   Feb-05-09 07:51 PM   #31 
  - You mean whaler rams protest ship!  robinlynne   Feb-05-09 07:56 PM   #36 
  - Good for Sea Shepherd!!! Sink'em!!!! nt  and-justice-for-all   Feb-05-09 08:37 PM   #46 
  - Like it or not whaling is still legal  Tony238   Feb-05-09 09:09 PM   #51 
  - Welcome to DU. May your skin be thick. nt  ZombieHorde   Feb-05-09 09:54 PM   #56 
  - ... because your head certainly is ... (n/t)  Nihil   Feb-06-09 06:48 AM   #63 
  - They had a moral obligation to interfere with that particular legal activity  Nevernose   Feb-05-09 10:28 PM   #60 
  - According to you  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:51 AM   #88 
  - I don't think it is legal.  Usrename   Feb-06-09 10:04 PM   #148 
  - Kill people to save the whales! Rah! Rah! Rah!  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:50 AM   #87 
     - No  atreides1   Feb-06-09 12:33 PM   #97 
        - OK  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 01:10 PM   #100 
  - The Japanese whalers must be in trouble when they are willing to risk their ship's safety  Larkspur   Feb-05-09 09:10 PM   #52 
  - Naming a ship the "Steve Irwin" then going around trying to IMPALE whaling ships with it --  smalll   Feb-05-09 09:57 PM   #57 
  - LOL!!  Bonobo   Feb-06-09 11:32 PM   #159 
  - Right or Wrong  underseasurveyor   Feb-05-09 10:41 PM   #61 
  - Once you are willing to ram  Pavulon   Feb-06-09 07:31 AM   #68 
  - he's already had at least one young volunteer hurt due to ignorance and lack of training  Marrah_G   Feb-06-09 07:45 AM   #71 
  - Fight on, Sea Shepherd! Fight the Whaler Criminals!  The Stranger   Feb-06-09 08:44 AM   #75 
  - The violence is all on the part of the whaling fleet  Omaha Steve   Feb-06-09 08:55 AM   #76 
  - That's dangerously stupid.  Renew Deal   Feb-06-09 09:38 AM   #79 
  - Check LBN  Omaha Steve   Feb-06-09 01:48 PM   #104 
  - "Lots a Love" on this Thread  saigon68   Feb-06-09 09:58 AM   #89 
  - Watson is a very polarizing element, even among those of us who are serious about conservation  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-07-09 12:19 AM   #167 
  - I have no respect for the Steve Irwin or its crew  Godhumor   Feb-06-09 10:18 AM   #90 
  - "There has to be better people and organizations" -- Guess what? There aren't.  Barrett808   Feb-06-09 11:07 AM   #91 
  - You have torpedoed your rep.  Bonobo   Feb-06-09 11:34 PM   #160 
  - "I will never take a sea Shepherd press release at face value due to that incident."  Codeine   Feb-06-09 01:59 PM   #107 
     - So you view ICR press releases as the unvarnished truth?  Barrett808   Feb-06-09 02:59 PM   #114 
        - Logical fallacy, dead ahead!  Codeine   Feb-06-09 03:44 PM   #121 
  - Somebody needs to arrest Paul Watson.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Feb-06-09 12:34 PM   #98 
  - Hopefullybefore he gets someone killed in these stunts n/t  Godhumor   Feb-06-09 12:49 PM   #99 
  - "Costa Rica where he's wanted for attempted murder" -- Pure BS  Barrett808   Feb-06-09 03:04 PM   #116 
     - The Norway conviction is still valid though  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 03:28 PM   #120 
  - False fucking headline.  flvegan   Feb-06-09 01:20 PM   #101 
  - Word. n/t  Barrett808   Feb-06-09 03:04 PM   #117 
  - I have no dog in this fight but it's pretty clear the protesters rammed the whalers.  Hassin Bin Sober   Feb-06-09 04:53 PM   #123 
  - That's "clear" to you?  flvegan   Feb-06-09 08:24 PM   #137 
  - What's not clear about it?  Hassin Bin Sober   Feb-06-09 08:44 PM   #139 
     - Looks to me  flvegan   Feb-06-09 08:58 PM   #143 
        - also possible all those water cannons blinded the captain/crew  wordpix   Feb-07-09 08:20 AM   #176 
  - By the looks of it  flvegan   Feb-06-09 08:56 PM   #142 
  - It isn't that clear to me.  Usrename   Feb-06-09 11:25 PM   #156 
  - were you a witness?  wordpix   Feb-07-09 08:16 AM   #175 
     - I witnessed the video. I have two eyes and I can see.  Hassin Bin Sober   Feb-07-09 09:49 AM   #177 
  - The video is completely unambiguous. They rammed them from behind.  Bonobo   Feb-06-09 11:35 PM   #162 
     - Really? I saw it and I disagree.  flvegan   Feb-06-09 11:54 PM   #164 
        - The weaponry, illegal or not, is a response to stated threats of violence.  Bonobo   Feb-07-09 07:23 AM   #170 
  - YAY  Joanne98   Feb-06-09 01:50 PM   #105 
  - Not just good for the whales. It's great for the ratings!  cottonseed   Feb-06-09 02:44 PM   #112 
  - Yeah Watson, it was their fault.  time_has_come   Feb-06-09 05:27 PM   #125 
  - "We have never seen them this aggressive." What a SCAM Watson is running.  time_has_come   Feb-06-09 05:30 PM   #126 
  - The latest on the SSCS site does show things that have not been done before  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 11:34 PM   #161 
  - This is the kind of thing that gets you sunk to the bottom of the ocean  progressoid   Feb-06-09 05:31 PM   #127 
  - Or your ship locked down  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-06-09 07:41 PM   #131 
  - I do remember the Rainbow Warrior: French agents were convicted of manslaughter. n/t  Barrett808   Feb-06-09 08:01 PM   #134 
  - And released.  progressoid   Feb-06-09 10:48 PM   #153 
  - Errr... Care to look at the actual tally?  depakid   Feb-07-09 01:28 AM   #169 
     - Also worth noting that the whalers' Oriental Bluebird was deflagged by Panama...  Barrett808   Feb-08-09 02:59 PM   #185 
  - This is international piracy  crimsonblue   Feb-08-09 05:39 AM   #183 

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