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Thu Feb-05-09 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #6 |
| 17. Yes, to save the whales, I'm on the side of the protestors. |
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Japan even admitted that they don't need that much whales. They're just subsidizing this shit - and Japan has economy worse than us, and they still do stupid shit.
Japan is in violation of international treaties. I understand that they used an illegal item "military grade" acoustic device that almost downed the Sea Shepard's helicopter.
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| -Protest ship rams whaler |
depakid |
Feb-05-09 07:07 PM |
#0 |
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The SS is getting ridiculous. |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-05-09 07:11 PM |
#1 |
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I'm actually glad they did it |
Taverner |
Feb-05-09 07:13 PM |
#3 |
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Are you claiming violence is an acceptable tactic to prevent whaling? |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-05-09 07:16 PM |
#6 |
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Vandalism yes |
Taverner |
Feb-05-09 07:17 PM |
#7 |
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How about violence? |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-05-09 07:18 PM |
#8 |
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There was nothing violent about their tactics |
Taverner |
Feb-05-09 07:20 PM |
#10 |
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Will you answer the question? |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-05-09 07:25 PM |
#13 |
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Depends |
Taverner |
Feb-05-09 07:26 PM |
#14 |
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Question answered, thank you. Now about your playing chicken comment... |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-05-09 07:30 PM |
#19 |
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Information on which boat is which |
Nihil |
Feb-06-09 07:10 AM |
#65 |
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Define Violence ... |
Redwraithvienna |
Feb-05-09 07:51 PM |
#29 |
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Check out the water in the photo, you can see that the SS came up right behind the whaler's ship. |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-05-09 08:14 PM |
#41 |
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Don't be dense |
psychopomp |
Feb-05-09 10:12 PM |
#58 |
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The captain of the SS is an ignorant fool who should not be running a ship. |
Marrah_G |
Feb-06-09 07:30 AM |
#67 |
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Actually it's the Steve Irwin |
atreides1 |
Feb-06-09 12:23 PM |
#96 |
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They have had two ships by that name as well, and the Steve Irwin has Sea Shepard painted on it |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-06-09 07:31 PM |
#129 |
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If you want to be a poster boy for the whalers go ahead.. |
snooper2 |
Feb-06-09 09:32 AM |
#78 |
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I am not concerned about the Steve Irwin, because its an inanimate object. |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-06-09 12:17 PM |
#93 |
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Pro-Whale |
snooper2 |
Feb-06-09 01:45 PM |
#103 |
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Thank you |
Scairp |
Feb-07-09 02:47 PM |
#180 |
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A whale is almost human in terms of its intelligence |
Downtown Hound |
Feb-05-09 09:31 PM |
#54 |
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"would you feel that it's so unacceptable if they were killing human beings?" |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-05-09 09:53 PM |
#55 |
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Yes! |
underseasurveyor |
Feb-05-09 11:16 PM |
#62 |
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Are you a supporter of the Death Penalty? |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-06-09 12:20 PM |
#94 |
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Only for for those that needlessly and illegally kill marine mammals |
underseasurveyor |
Feb-06-09 08:49 PM |
#140 |
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What hasn't violence fixed? |
mdmc |
Feb-06-09 03:17 PM |
#119 |
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It certainly finalized any number of things, but I am not sure I would call that fixed |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-06-09 07:42 PM |
#132 |
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you don't get it-- the Steve Irwin's tactics are NONVIOLENT.... |
mike_c |
Feb-05-09 07:19 PM |
#9 |
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Yep |
Taverner |
Feb-05-09 07:21 PM |
#11 |
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People could have gotten seriously hurt or killed in that stunt. |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-05-09 07:24 PM |
#12 |
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Dude that is a non sequitor if there ever was |
Taverner |
Feb-05-09 07:27 PM |
#15 |
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that's a meaningless comparison.... |
mike_c |
Feb-05-09 07:30 PM |
#20 |
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Look at the water in the photo, the boat was rammed. |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-05-09 07:32 PM |
#22 |
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AFTER it swung directly ahead of the Steve Irwin... |
mike_c |
Feb-05-09 07:42 PM |
#26 |
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If my loved one, who was going to buy some hot dogs, was |
Dumak |
Feb-05-09 07:33 PM |
#23 |
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Give it a rest, ZH. |
petersjo02 |
Feb-05-09 10:27 PM |
#59 |
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The SS has done some other really stupid shit that put their own crew in jeopardy |
Marrah_G |
Feb-06-09 07:29 AM |
#66 |
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Word up |
XemaSab |
Feb-07-09 12:17 AM |
#166 |
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Look at the water in the photo, one ship rammed the other. |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-05-09 07:31 PM |
#21 |
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Maybe their anti-skid braking system was inoperative. |
Usrename |
Feb-06-09 08:44 PM |
#138 |
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The whalers were rammed. |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-06-09 09:04 PM |
#144 |
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Nope, I don't think so. |
Usrename |
Feb-06-09 09:41 PM |
#145 |
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Oh, SNAP! |
flvegan |
Feb-06-09 09:45 PM |
#146 |
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In any event... |
Usrename |
Feb-06-09 10:07 PM |
#149 |
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Huh? It's perfectly clear in that clip that the Irwin is making a sharp right turn |
petronius |
Feb-06-09 10:22 PM |
#150 |
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That would have come after the other ship slowed. |
Usrename |
Feb-06-09 11:01 PM |
#154 |
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In the clip you responded to, the Irwin turned to starboard and hit a Japanese vessel |
petronius |
Feb-06-09 11:41 PM |
#163 |
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I don't think you understand what I am saying. |
Usrename |
Feb-07-09 12:06 AM |
#165 |
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But the Irwin clearly turns to starboard, which brings them into contact |
petronius |
Feb-07-09 01:13 AM |
#168 |
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You don't get it at all. |
Usrename |
Feb-07-09 11:33 AM |
#178 |
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You're repeating the SS description and ignoring what's actually on video |
petronius |
Feb-07-09 12:11 PM |
#179 |
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I do not think that I have it wrong. |
Usrename |
Feb-08-09 05:35 AM |
#182 |
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You're seeing what you want to see, but I'll try one more time |
petronius |
Feb-08-09 02:10 PM |
#184 |
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I see what you are saying, but you miss the point completely. |
Usrename |
Feb-09-09 03:02 PM |
#186 |
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If these were cars, or if the Irwin had just clipped the stern, I'd say you had a point, |
petronius |
Feb-09-09 07:54 PM |
#187 |
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They don't turn very fast, but they do slow down quickly from top speed. |
Usrename |
Feb-09-09 10:34 PM |
#188 |
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Not that quickly they don't - even if the Japanese boat had cut power |
petronius |
Feb-09-09 11:34 PM |
#189 |
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thanks mike |
leftchick |
Feb-06-09 08:19 AM |
#73 |
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You could not have watched the video. nt |
Bonobo |
Feb-06-09 11:24 PM |
#155 |
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Yes, to save the whales, I'm on the side of the protestors. |
Hawkeye-X |
Feb-05-09 07:29 PM |
#17 |
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The taboo against violence is often invoked by the empowered to justify social injustices. |
The Stranger |
Feb-06-09 08:42 AM |
#74 |
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How do you feel about Gandhi? |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-06-09 12:22 PM |
#95 |
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Love him. What does that have to do with what we were talking about? |
The Stranger |
Feb-06-09 01:26 PM |
#102 |
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Gandhi spoke out against violence, and your post (#74) is pro-violence. |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-06-09 02:36 PM |
#109 |
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Bullshit. My post is trying to wake you up as to the reality of violence. |
The Stranger |
Feb-06-09 05:06 PM |
#124 |
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"Any philosopher worth his or her weight in dogshit will tell you" |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-06-09 05:34 PM |
#128 |
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Why do you think it is OK for a few folks to do this? |
Usrename |
Feb-06-09 08:50 PM |
#141 |
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So you agree then that violence, in itself, is niether moral or immoral. |
The Stranger |
Feb-07-09 11:37 PM |
#181 |
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Save the whales. Kill the humans! |
Renew Deal |
Feb-06-09 09:40 AM |
#82 |
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It's all nice until |
John Kerry VonErich |
Feb-06-09 04:24 PM |
#122 |
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I much perfer you sitting on your ass. |
mikelgb |
Feb-06-09 09:49 AM |
#86 |
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I'm glad they did it too |
slay |
Feb-05-09 09:02 PM |
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I seem to remeber Greenpeace ramming a whaler in the early 80s. |
MUAD_DIB |
Feb-05-09 09:13 PM |
#53 |
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That's idiotic |
Renew Deal |
Feb-06-09 09:38 AM |
#81 |
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BOYCOTT Japanese goods - a nonviolent tactic that would work |
wordpix |
Feb-07-09 08:13 AM |
#174 |
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fuck the whales! |
leftchick |
Feb-05-09 07:15 PM |
#4 |
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no, they're not.... |
mike_c |
Feb-05-09 07:15 PM |
#5 |
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This is where I'd think |
cosmicone |
Feb-05-09 07:51 PM |
#30 |
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you might be on to something |
snooper2 |
Feb-06-09 09:38 AM |
#80 |
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No, they;re not. |
glitch |
Feb-05-09 07:55 PM |
#35 |
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Another DUer unaware of how the Japanese whalers are breaking treaties. |
Alexander |
Feb-05-09 08:39 PM |
#47 |
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Those treaties are not recognized by most of the world, including the U.S. |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-06-09 03:09 PM |
#118 |
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I hope they do more... |
snooper2 |
Feb-06-09 09:26 AM |
#77 |
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Are you a vegetarian? |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-06-09 02:39 PM |
#110 |
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I believe ramming has long been in their playbook n/t |
spoony |
Feb-06-09 02:41 PM |
#111 |
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Its how Watson does business. It will end when he loses this ship |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-06-09 07:43 PM |
#133 |
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No it won't. |
flvegan |
Feb-06-09 08:22 PM |
#136 |
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My point is that Watson is the defining force behind the SSCS and when he goes away it will wither |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-06-09 10:28 PM |
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yeah, SS is terrible, trying to enforce anti-whaling laws when gov's that signed treaties won't |
wordpix |
Feb-07-09 08:01 AM |
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Bravo, Steve Irwin! |
mike_c |
Feb-05-09 07:12 PM |
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Great! I admire these brave souls more than anyone else I can think of. |
MasonJar |
Feb-05-09 07:28 PM |
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I am no fan of whaling, but the "Steve Irwin" was clearly at fault here |
Harry Monroe |
Feb-05-09 07:29 PM |
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Sorry, Harry - Yushin Maro #2 is in the WRONG big time. |
Hawkeye-X |
Feb-05-09 07:34 PM |
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I am simply stating that the "Steve Irwin" was negligent in its actions |
Harry Monroe |
Feb-05-09 07:48 PM |
#28 |
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No courts in the world will find against Steve Irwin - as they are the enforcers of the said law |
Hawkeye-X |
Feb-05-09 07:52 PM |
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And that is NOT what I am talking about here |
Harry Monroe |
Feb-05-09 07:56 PM |
#37 |
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Sea Shepard and the Steve Irwin are not legitimate "enforcers" of any law. |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-06-09 03:01 PM |
#115 |
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SS is the enforcer, since the nations that signed anti-whaling treaties won't do it |
wordpix |
Feb-07-09 08:11 AM |
#173 |
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You need to read up some |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-06-09 10:41 PM |
#152 |
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Even if it were true that the Japanese actually were the "victims" |
arikara |
Feb-06-09 02:53 PM |
#113 |
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I saw the "shooting" |
Marrah_G |
Feb-06-09 07:36 AM |
#70 |
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Watson was not shot. |
Codeine |
Feb-06-09 01:54 PM |
#106 |
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No, you are wrong, LOS does apply |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-06-09 07:38 PM |
#130 |
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as I understand it, the Yushin Maru 2 was not the ship engaged... |
mike_c |
Feb-05-09 07:38 PM |
#25 |
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Sorry, you're wrong |
Harry Monroe |
Feb-05-09 07:54 PM |
#34 |
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You are exactly right, Harry |
sailor65 |
Feb-05-09 08:40 PM |
#48 |
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Hawkeye-X and Mike-c appear correct and you appear wrong. |
glitch |
Feb-05-09 07:52 PM |
#32 |
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You have no concept of Admiralty Law and proportionate blame in a collision, do you? |
Harry Monroe |
Feb-05-09 08:00 PM |
#38 |
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Really? More baseless assumptions on your part. |
glitch |
Feb-05-09 08:12 PM |
#39 |
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Most countries do not recognize Australia's claim on those waters. |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-05-09 08:13 PM |
#40 |
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I am not making any assumptions whatsoever. I am simply stating the law as Admiralty Courts |
Harry Monroe |
Feb-05-09 08:17 PM |
#42 |
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Yes you are. You are assuming the Steve Irwin rammed the whaler. |
glitch |
Feb-05-09 08:24 PM |
#43 |
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The picture clearly shows the "Steve Irwin" as the after vessel |
Harry Monroe |
Feb-05-09 08:32 PM |
#44 |
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Wait for it. nt |
glitch |
Feb-05-09 08:35 PM |
#45 |
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Wait for what? Another clueless ,snarky, remark from you? |
Renew Deal |
Feb-06-09 09:45 AM |
#84 |
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Interesting then that there's never been a judgment rendered against its vessels |
depakid |
Feb-05-09 08:43 PM |
#49 |
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This time they might face some charges |
Marrah_G |
Feb-06-09 07:46 AM |
#72 |
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There was a simlar incident last year |
depakid |
Feb-06-09 09:46 AM |
#85 |
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Isn't the stand-on vessel supposed to hold it's course steady? |
Usrename |
Feb-06-09 09:59 PM |
#147 |
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You don't know what you're talking about. |
Renew Deal |
Feb-06-09 09:43 AM |
#83 |
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I don't think you are correct either. Disagreeing isn't disrespect. |
glitch |
Feb-06-09 02:08 PM |
#108 |
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Where is it illegal? |
Bonobo |
Feb-06-09 11:30 PM |
#157 |
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Here's the video |
Renew Deal |
Feb-06-09 11:56 AM |
#92 |
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That pretty clearly (~2:20) shows the Steve Irwin deliberately ramming |
petronius |
Feb-06-09 08:16 PM |
#135 |
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+1 |
Bonobo |
Feb-06-09 11:30 PM |
#158 |
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That would only be true if the Steve Irwin had collided with the Maru #1. |
Nihil |
Feb-06-09 07:00 AM |
#64 |
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Have you seen their tv show? The captain is dangerously ignorant |
Marrah_G |
Feb-06-09 07:34 AM |
#69 |
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"law of the sea": how about enforcement of anti-whaling treaties? |
wordpix |
Feb-07-09 08:07 AM |
#172 |
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Good. |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
Feb-05-09 07:46 PM |
#27 |
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I support the Sea Shepherd and direct action. |
roody |
Feb-05-09 07:51 PM |
#31 |
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You mean whaler rams protest ship! |
robinlynne |
Feb-05-09 07:56 PM |
#36 |
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Good for Sea Shepherd!!! Sink'em!!!! nt |
and-justice-for-all |
Feb-05-09 08:37 PM |
#46 |
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Like it or not whaling is still legal |
Tony238 |
Feb-05-09 09:09 PM |
#51 |
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Welcome to DU. May your skin be thick. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Feb-05-09 09:54 PM |
#56 |
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... because your head certainly is ... (n/t) |
Nihil |
Feb-06-09 06:48 AM |
#63 |
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They had a moral obligation to interfere with that particular legal activity |
Nevernose |
Feb-05-09 10:28 PM |
#60 |
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According to you |
Renew Deal |
Feb-06-09 09:51 AM |
#88 |
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I don't think it is legal. |
Usrename |
Feb-06-09 10:04 PM |
#148 |
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Kill people to save the whales! Rah! Rah! Rah! |
Renew Deal |
Feb-06-09 09:50 AM |
#87 |
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No |
atreides1 |
Feb-06-09 12:33 PM |
#97 |
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OK |
Renew Deal |
Feb-06-09 01:10 PM |
#100 |
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The Japanese whalers must be in trouble when they are willing to risk their ship's safety |
Larkspur |
Feb-05-09 09:10 PM |
#52 |
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Naming a ship the "Steve Irwin" then going around trying to IMPALE whaling ships with it -- |
smalll |
Feb-05-09 09:57 PM |
#57 |
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LOL!! |
Bonobo |
Feb-06-09 11:32 PM |
#159 |
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Right or Wrong |
underseasurveyor |
Feb-05-09 10:41 PM |
#61 |
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Once you are willing to ram |
Pavulon |
Feb-06-09 07:31 AM |
#68 |
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he's already had at least one young volunteer hurt due to ignorance and lack of training |
Marrah_G |
Feb-06-09 07:45 AM |
#71 |
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Fight on, Sea Shepherd! Fight the Whaler Criminals! |
The Stranger |
Feb-06-09 08:44 AM |
#75 |
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The violence is all on the part of the whaling fleet |
Omaha Steve |
Feb-06-09 08:55 AM |
#76 |
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That's dangerously stupid. |
Renew Deal |
Feb-06-09 09:38 AM |
#79 |
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Check LBN |
Omaha Steve |
Feb-06-09 01:48 PM |
#104 |
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"Lots a Love" on this Thread |
saigon68 |
Feb-06-09 09:58 AM |
#89 |
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Watson is a very polarizing element, even among those of us who are serious about conservation |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-07-09 12:19 AM |
#167 |
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I have no respect for the Steve Irwin or its crew |
Godhumor |
Feb-06-09 10:18 AM |
#90 |
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"There has to be better people and organizations" -- Guess what? There aren't. |
Barrett808 |
Feb-06-09 11:07 AM |
#91 |
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You have torpedoed your rep. |
Bonobo |
Feb-06-09 11:34 PM |
#160 |
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"I will never take a sea Shepherd press release at face value due to that incident." |
Codeine |
Feb-06-09 01:59 PM |
#107 |
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So you view ICR press releases as the unvarnished truth? |
Barrett808 |
Feb-06-09 02:59 PM |
#114 |
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Logical fallacy, dead ahead! |
Codeine |
Feb-06-09 03:44 PM |
#121 |
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Somebody needs to arrest Paul Watson. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-06-09 12:34 PM |
#98 |
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Hopefullybefore he gets someone killed in these stunts n/t |
Godhumor |
Feb-06-09 12:49 PM |
#99 |
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"Costa Rica where he's wanted for attempted murder" -- Pure BS |
Barrett808 |
Feb-06-09 03:04 PM |
#116 |
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The Norway conviction is still valid though |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-06-09 03:28 PM |
#120 |
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False fucking headline. |
flvegan |
Feb-06-09 01:20 PM |
#101 |
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Word. n/t |
Barrett808 |
Feb-06-09 03:04 PM |
#117 |
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I have no dog in this fight but it's pretty clear the protesters rammed the whalers. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Feb-06-09 04:53 PM |
#123 |
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That's "clear" to you? |
flvegan |
Feb-06-09 08:24 PM |
#137 |
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What's not clear about it? |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Feb-06-09 08:44 PM |
#139 |
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Looks to me |
flvegan |
Feb-06-09 08:58 PM |
#143 |
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also possible all those water cannons blinded the captain/crew |
wordpix |
Feb-07-09 08:20 AM |
#176 |
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By the looks of it |
flvegan |
Feb-06-09 08:56 PM |
#142 |
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It isn't that clear to me. |
Usrename |
Feb-06-09 11:25 PM |
#156 |
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were you a witness? |
wordpix |
Feb-07-09 08:16 AM |
#175 |
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I witnessed the video. I have two eyes and I can see. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Feb-07-09 09:49 AM |
#177 |
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The video is completely unambiguous. They rammed them from behind. |
Bonobo |
Feb-06-09 11:35 PM |
#162 |
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Really? I saw it and I disagree. |
flvegan |
Feb-06-09 11:54 PM |
#164 |
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The weaponry, illegal or not, is a response to stated threats of violence. |
Bonobo |
Feb-07-09 07:23 AM |
#170 |
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YAY |
Joanne98 |
Feb-06-09 01:50 PM |
#105 |
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Not just good for the whales. It's great for the ratings! |
cottonseed |
Feb-06-09 02:44 PM |
#112 |
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Yeah Watson, it was their fault. |
time_has_come |
Feb-06-09 05:27 PM |
#125 |
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"We have never seen them this aggressive." What a SCAM Watson is running. |
time_has_come |
Feb-06-09 05:30 PM |
#126 |
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The latest on the SSCS site does show things that have not been done before |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-06-09 11:34 PM |
#161 |
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This is the kind of thing that gets you sunk to the bottom of the ocean |
progressoid |
Feb-06-09 05:31 PM |
#127 |
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Or your ship locked down |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-06-09 07:41 PM |
#131 |
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I do remember the Rainbow Warrior: French agents were convicted of manslaughter. n/t |
Barrett808 |
Feb-06-09 08:01 PM |
#134 |
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And released. |
progressoid |
Feb-06-09 10:48 PM |
#153 |
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Errr... Care to look at the actual tally? |
depakid |
Feb-07-09 01:28 AM |
#169 |
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Also worth noting that the whalers' Oriental Bluebird was deflagged by Panama... |
Barrett808 |
Feb-08-09 02:59 PM |
#185 |
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This is international piracy |
crimsonblue |
Feb-08-09 05:39 AM |
#183 |
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