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Mon Jan-05-09 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #89 |
| 147. Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito were not on the SCOTUS 60 years ago. They may think |
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the Bush boys in black robes might overrule the 60 year old case.
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| -School sued over religious ed |
douglas9 |
Jan-02-09 06:55 AM |
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Neither advances or inhibits? Bullshit. That's why it's aimed at such young |
acmavm |
Jan-02-09 07:16 AM |
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Here is the real tragedy |
MajorChode |
Jan-04-09 07:48 AM |
#89 |
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They may be hoping for a stupider America . . . and/or another Bush . . . ??? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-04-09 10:24 PM |
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To be "fair and balanced" |
MajorChode |
Jan-05-09 07:01 AM |
#143 |
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Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito were not on the SCOTUS 60 years ago. They may think |
No Elephants |
Jan-05-09 03:45 PM |
#147 |
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Right . . . brainwashing has to start early -- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-04-09 10:22 PM |
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This is why we have to pull back from the slippery slope of faith based initiatives and the |
No Elephants |
Jan-05-09 03:48 PM |
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Agree --- let's get our money back . . . Unconstitutional -- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-06-09 12:06 AM |
#158 |
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K&R |
Soilent Brice |
Jan-02-09 07:29 AM |
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Oh, they understand the separation of church and state, all right |
silverojo |
Jan-03-09 12:02 AM |
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Well, what's left of it. |
No Elephants |
Jan-05-09 03:50 PM |
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As an elementary public school teacher, I would be very upset. |
livvy |
Jan-02-09 07:40 AM |
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You're a teacher? |
ALiberalSailor |
Jan-02-09 08:04 AM |
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Not at all! I'll look for your message. n/t |
livvy |
Jan-02-09 09:06 AM |
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Excellent comment and I totally agree. |
Hepburn |
Jan-02-09 08:46 AM |
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There was a "release" program in my 1950s grammar |
MineralMan |
Jan-02-09 08:47 AM |
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So true... |
Hepburn |
Jan-02-09 08:49 AM |
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That was California...and now, even living in Minnesota, |
MineralMan |
Jan-02-09 08:51 AM |
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I spoke Romanian at home as a child... |
Hepburn |
Jan-02-09 08:56 AM |
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It's cold, but you get used to it. |
MineralMan |
Jan-02-09 09:37 AM |
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I was in NYC public schools in the 50's |
sunnystarr |
Jan-02-09 11:05 AM |
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CDD was great for me as a catholic kid, because |
Book Lover |
Jan-06-09 05:47 PM |
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The courage of this parent must be admired . . .. |
defendandprotect |
Jan-04-09 10:29 PM |
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When the kids in my class got released to go to the Catholic Church for religious retreats, the kids |
No Elephants |
Jan-05-09 03:52 PM |
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I would have been enraged over this |
Marrah_G |
Jan-02-09 08:31 AM |
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the trailer is on the school grounds, using the school's electricity, etc. |
Donnachaidh |
Jan-02-09 08:32 AM |
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Exactly. I have no problem with release programs, but there's no "release" here. |
Xithras |
Jan-05-09 09:39 PM |
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Simple solution - proceed with regular class instruction. If the children whose |
T Wolf |
Jan-02-09 08:32 AM |
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I do understand the sentiment you have.... |
Hepburn |
Jan-02-09 08:48 AM |
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These "innocent" children will grow up to be the GOPers of the future. Fuck them.... |
T Wolf |
Jan-02-09 09:04 AM |
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Really? Cuz my parents made me do that shit and I sure didn't grow up to be a GOPer. |
JTFrog |
Jan-02-09 09:26 AM |
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Me too - my sister and cousins all went - and we're almost all dems now... |
TankLV |
Jan-03-09 03:49 PM |
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Nice, even third-graders are the enemy now? (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Jan-02-09 10:20 AM |
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Marilyn Manson went to Christian Schools. He turned out fine. |
alfredo |
Jan-02-09 05:41 PM |
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If you think |
Dorian Gray |
Jan-05-09 06:45 AM |
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These kids are in public schools, at taxpayer expense, though. And the trailers are on school |
No Elephants |
Jan-05-09 03:58 PM |
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I just couldn't do that. |
livvy |
Jan-02-09 09:14 AM |
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The only problem with that is that it opens |
Ilsa |
Jan-02-09 08:59 PM |
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How could it not? |
JerseygirlCT |
Jan-02-09 09:07 AM |
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Does it have to be on a weekday? |
moggie |
Jan-02-09 09:12 AM |
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Or after school. |
Dorian Gray |
Jan-05-09 06:46 AM |
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They need to go back to Philosophy Courses |
glinda |
Jan-02-09 10:00 AM |
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For Cryin' Out Loud - There's a church every 5 blocks |
askeptic |
Jan-02-09 10:02 AM |
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All y'all heathens are missing the point. |
progressoid |
Jan-02-09 10:37 AM |
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The school should have never implemented, but a lawsuit? |
newtothegame |
Jan-02-09 10:42 AM |
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Yeah, a lawsuit - kind of like the one that brought us Brown v. Board of Ed. |
northernsoul |
Jan-02-09 11:51 AM |
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Yeah I understand your argument... |
newtothegame |
Jan-02-09 11:54 AM |
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Prayer in schools...is what this is about. It has ALWAYS... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-03-09 11:15 AM |
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I'll say GOOD for the school, it SHOULD BE allowed. |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 11:52 AM |
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It should NOTbe allowed... |
and-justice-for-all |
Jan-02-09 12:19 PM |
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It SHOULD be. Don't take student's time away from them. |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 12:37 PM |
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The students are having time taken away from them, from subjects like science and literature... |
Solon |
Jan-02-09 12:42 PM |
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Well, you must then insist there is not enough time in a day. |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 12:57 PM |
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Schools have limited budgets, and limited time, yes... |
Solon |
Jan-02-09 01:07 PM |
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Not so limited that they cannot find time for the parents and students. |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 01:21 PM |
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"good atheistic judge" where do you come up with these fascinating misconceptions... |
Solon |
Jan-02-09 01:25 PM |
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A little dull minded today? That was meant as a judge on your side. |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 01:36 PM |
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On whose side? n/t |
Solon |
Jan-02-09 03:08 PM |
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Hmmm. Am I dealing with someone with multiple personalities? /nt |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 08:56 PM |
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Unless it's education of world religions- no |
TEmperorHasNoClothes |
Jan-02-09 01:38 PM |
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No, it's freedom of religion, not religions. |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 01:47 PM |
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Not in Public Schools - with compulsory school attendance laws |
askeptic |
Jan-02-09 03:12 PM |
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Students are only compelled to attend basic courses. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 10:54 AM |
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What about elementary school classes, where... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-04-09 11:42 AM |
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Are you suggesting the students cannot move themselves? |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 02:33 PM |
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I'm talking about what the California Education Code defines... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-04-09 02:39 PM |
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Does that mean that students cannot move? |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 03:45 PM |
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Not without teacher decision and... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-04-09 03:55 PM |
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That makes no sense. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 04:17 PM |
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You used the term, 'stuck'... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-04-09 04:45 PM |
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Perhaps the California Education Code has us stuck. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 08:28 PM |
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And how will non-Christian children be free to make that choice... |
KevinJ |
Jan-03-09 05:20 PM |
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Simple, they don't attend that room at that time. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 11:03 AM |
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Not that simple |
KevinJ |
Jan-04-09 03:41 PM |
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Not that complicated either. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 03:55 PM |
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Not unfair, just the way life is |
KevinJ |
Jan-04-09 09:46 PM |
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Being unfair is not necessary. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 10:30 PM |
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You've been given several compelling reasons... |
KevinJ |
Jan-04-09 11:45 PM |
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You might try to reread your own signature line. |
Festivito |
Jan-05-09 05:42 AM |
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As long as there are hard-atheists who go beyond lack, and deny god, you'd be wrong. |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 12:46 PM |
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And that applies to this lawsuit how? n/t |
Solon |
Jan-02-09 12:52 PM |
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It responded to a different post by and-justice-for-all. |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 01:03 PM |
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It looks like a church is running the instruction itself... |
Solon |
Jan-02-09 12:30 PM |
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I would contend it is not preferential unless it displaces another religion. |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 12:43 PM |
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That makes absolutely no sense, and since when do death and incarceration enter into it? |
Solon |
Jan-02-09 12:46 PM |
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But it does. It's called a Constitution. |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 12:53 PM |
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Actually, technically, life and liberty were NOT in the constitution originally... |
Solon |
Jan-02-09 01:04 PM |
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And, if you elevate the Lemon test to an amendment, I'll heed it. |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 01:13 PM |
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Where would it inhibit religion? This is a fascinating interpretation you came up with... |
Solon |
Jan-02-09 01:23 PM |
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You'll ignore the rest because of one point that did not matter? |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 01:43 PM |
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What classroom is lying fallow in this case? Its a church owned trailer... |
Solon |
Jan-02-09 03:07 PM |
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That would be one that is not being used. /nt |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 09:21 PM |
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Yes, Festivito, that is consistent with your previous posts |
askeptic |
Jan-02-09 03:46 PM |
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If compulsory, yes, this, however is not. |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 09:19 PM |
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The school's purpose is to educate these kids in secular subjects, not make religious instruction... |
Solon |
Jan-02-09 10:23 PM |
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Let me guess, you're the DEFINER person. |
Festivito |
Jan-03-09 12:25 AM |
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Like I said, its outside the public school's scope to provide facilities for religious instruction. |
Solon |
Jan-03-09 01:00 PM |
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Prohibiting use of facility is prohibiting a religious activity there. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 09:22 AM |
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This is not a free speech argument. This post is not about... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-04-09 12:02 PM |
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It was a PARALLEL to free speech. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 03:20 PM |
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That's just plain... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-04-09 03:25 PM |
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So was yours. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 03:31 PM |
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It's about government being prevented...by law... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-03-09 11:20 AM |
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You need to start at the beginning. /nt |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 10:40 AM |
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Define... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-04-09 12:04 PM |
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What version of the movie "Airplane!" are we in? |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 01:27 PM |
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I'm sorry. I seriously did not understand... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-04-09 01:39 PM |
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At approximately which word did you start noticing this confusion? /nt |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 02:28 PM |
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At approximately which word did you start noticing this confusion? /nt |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 02:28 PM |
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You seem not to understand that the First Amendment... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-04-09 11:54 AM |
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Separation of church and state IS the law already |
MajorChode |
Jan-04-09 06:21 AM |
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You're right, I should have used "right" instead of "law" |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 10:38 AM |
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It wouldn't have made a difference if you had used "right" |
MajorChode |
Jan-04-09 03:31 PM |
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Well, I'm not as precise with words as you seem to require. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 04:14 PM |
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You're the one trying to make this an issue of semantics |
MajorChode |
Jan-04-09 05:02 PM |
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Just an overview, review. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 10:03 PM |
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A review of the overview |
MajorChode |
Jan-04-09 11:41 PM |
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We agree. Here was my .... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-05-09 02:37 PM |
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This is one of my favorite quotes on the subject... |
MajorChode |
Jan-05-09 08:12 PM |
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That IS ... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-05-09 09:20 PM |
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Thanks for acknowledging my opinion as my opinion and arguing |
Festivito |
Jan-05-09 10:05 PM |
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The above sums up why your opinions are irrelevant.... |
MajorChode |
Jan-05-09 11:16 PM |
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From you, an honor. /nt |
Festivito |
Jan-06-09 12:02 AM |
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Unbelievable. |
YvonneCa |
Jan-06-09 03:30 PM |
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Isn't it though. /nt |
Festivito |
Jan-06-09 05:39 PM |
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Great post. n/t |
YvonneCa |
Jan-04-09 04:50 PM |
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First Amendment... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-04-09 11:34 AM |
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Thank you, well aware, so on to the rest... |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 01:00 PM |
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Where to begin... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-04-09 01:33 PM |
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Glad we can agree on at least some little part. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 02:23 PM |
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People are entitled to their own opinion... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-04-09 03:23 PM |
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Much of this issue boils down to the motives of organized religion |
MajorChode |
Jan-04-09 08:40 PM |
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OMG, that's hilarious! |
KevinJ |
Jan-04-09 10:01 PM |
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I had some help in that one |
MajorChode |
Jan-05-09 12:13 AM |
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Not in all cases, but too true for too many cases, and funny too. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 10:13 PM |
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I would never suggest they were all bad |
MajorChode |
Jan-04-09 10:32 PM |
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No one should get a free pass. |
Festivito |
Jan-04-09 11:19 PM |
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You've hit it dead on |
MountainLaurel |
Jan-05-09 10:53 AM |
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Do Atheists have a chance to promote their views to the students? |
baldguy |
Jan-02-09 12:12 PM |
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Atheism is not a religion...nt |
and-justice-for-all |
Jan-02-09 12:19 PM |
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It is a belief system. |
baldguy |
Jan-02-09 12:28 PM |
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It's a lack of belief |
Tempest |
Jan-02-09 12:54 PM |
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Lack of belief on the God of Abraham is not an indication of a lack of ALL belief. |
baldguy |
Jan-02-09 01:28 PM |
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In that case, they're not really atheists |
Tempest |
Jan-02-09 05:08 PM |
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Christians are atheists with regards to the belief in Amun, Jupiter and Quetzalcoatl. |
baldguy |
Jan-02-09 05:41 PM |
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Self-delete, attached to wrong post. /nt |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 12:31 PM |
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It is a religious stance and is entitled to equal standing |
askeptic |
Jan-02-09 03:26 PM |
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IIRC, I was sent to CCD after school |
GinaMaria |
Jan-02-09 01:27 PM |
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Well, if the program "program neither advances nor inhibits religion," then ... |
damntexdem |
Jan-02-09 02:44 PM |
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The line was crossed when the teacher delivered the kids, and it was on school property. |
jazzjunkysue |
Jan-02-09 03:08 PM |
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OK, I'm a little mystified here, when I went to public school, as far as I'm aware of, the school... |
Solon |
Jan-02-09 03:13 PM |
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You have really never heard of that? |
whopis01 |
Jan-03-09 10:10 AM |
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Perception. That's the problem. I am a teacher. Most districts in most ... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-03-09 11:27 AM |
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Nope, never heard of it, we'd have half days, but those were for parent-teacher conferences... |
Solon |
Jan-03-09 12:49 PM |
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Never heard of it either |
GinaMaria |
Jan-04-09 10:44 AM |
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I completely agree. There is a huge misunderstanding... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-03-09 11:23 AM |
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Not only that, the school is really freewheeling down a slippery slope |
MajorChode |
Jan-06-09 01:09 AM |
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I know. What defines a 'church' or a 'religion'? There is no ... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-06-09 03:41 PM |
#161 |
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These programs have been around for a long time. |
donco6 |
Jan-03-09 12:32 AM |
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Religion pushing it's agenda, imagine. |
sarcasmo |
Jan-03-09 01:11 PM |
#83 |
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My family did that when I was in school - every Monday. |
TankLV |
Jan-03-09 03:47 PM |
#84 |
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Minnesota has (had?) a law allowing released time religious instruction |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-03-09 04:49 PM |
#86 |
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And the fact there is a disclaimer in the front of the book which says |
RJ Connors |
Jan-04-09 03:30 PM |
#112 |
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Separation of Church and State |
Torem |
Jan-04-09 03:31 PM |
#114 |
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i remember this type thing... |
zelta gaisma |
Jan-05-09 11:03 AM |
#145 |
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Best-known former Huntington, Ind. schoolchild? None other than J. Danforth Quayle. |
KamaAina |
Jan-06-09 06:23 PM |
#164 |
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