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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 11:27 AM
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80. Perception. That's the problem. I am a teacher. Most districts in most ...
...states have an early day. Parents may think it's for religious instruction...or sports...or something else. Schools may have even told them that, so they wouldn't complain about the early day. But those days were set up for STAFF TRAINING. Period. BTW, teachers hate it too.
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  -School sued over religious ed douglas9  Jan-02-09 06:55 AM   #0 
  - Neither advances or inhibits? Bullshit. That's why it's aimed at such young  acmavm   Jan-02-09 07:16 AM   #1 
  - Here is the real tragedy  MajorChode   Jan-04-09 07:48 AM   #89 
  - They may be hoping for a stupider America . . . and/or another Bush . . . ???  defendandprotect   Jan-04-09 10:24 PM   #132 
  - To be "fair and balanced"  MajorChode   Jan-05-09 07:01 AM   #143 
  - Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito were not on the SCOTUS 60 years ago. They may think  No Elephants   Jan-05-09 03:45 PM   #147 
  - Right . . . brainwashing has to start early --  defendandprotect   Jan-04-09 10:22 PM   #131 
     - This is why we have to pull back from the slippery slope of faith based initiatives and the  No Elephants   Jan-05-09 03:48 PM   #148 
        - Agree --- let's get our money back . . . Unconstitutional --  defendandprotect   Jan-06-09 12:06 AM   #158 
  - K&R  Soilent Brice   Jan-02-09 07:29 AM   #2 
  - Oh, they understand the separation of church and state, all right  silverojo   Jan-03-09 12:02 AM   #73 
     - Well, what's left of it.  No Elephants   Jan-05-09 03:50 PM   #149 
  - As an elementary public school teacher, I would be very upset.  livvy   Jan-02-09 07:40 AM   #3 
  - You're a teacher?  ALiberalSailor   Jan-02-09 08:04 AM   #4 
  - Not at all! I'll look for your message. n/t  livvy   Jan-02-09 09:06 AM   #15 
  - Excellent comment and I totally agree.  Hepburn   Jan-02-09 08:46 AM   #8 
  - There was a "release" program in my 1950s grammar  MineralMan   Jan-02-09 08:47 AM   #9 
  - So true...  Hepburn   Jan-02-09 08:49 AM   #11 
  - That was California...and now, even living in Minnesota,  MineralMan   Jan-02-09 08:51 AM   #12 
     - I spoke Romanian at home as a child...  Hepburn   Jan-02-09 08:56 AM   #13 
        - It's cold, but you get used to it.  MineralMan   Jan-02-09 09:37 AM   #20 
  - I was in NYC public schools in the 50's  sunnystarr   Jan-02-09 11:05 AM   #26 
     - CDD was great for me as a catholic kid, because  Book Lover   Jan-06-09 05:47 PM   #163 
  - The courage of this parent must be admired . . ..  defendandprotect   Jan-04-09 10:29 PM   #133 
  - When the kids in my class got released to go to the Catholic Church for religious retreats, the kids  No Elephants   Jan-05-09 03:52 PM   #150 
  - I would have been enraged over this  Marrah_G   Jan-02-09 08:31 AM   #5 
  - the trailer is on the school grounds, using the school's electricity, etc.  Donnachaidh   Jan-02-09 08:32 AM   #6 
  - Exactly. I have no problem with release programs, but there's no "release" here.  Xithras   Jan-05-09 09:39 PM   #154 
  - Simple solution - proceed with regular class instruction. If the children whose  T Wolf   Jan-02-09 08:32 AM   #7 
  - I do understand the sentiment you have....  Hepburn   Jan-02-09 08:48 AM   #10 
  - These "innocent" children will grow up to be the GOPers of the future. Fuck them....  T Wolf   Jan-02-09 09:04 AM   #14 
     - Really? Cuz my parents made me do that shit and I sure didn't grow up to be a GOPer.  JTFrog   Jan-02-09 09:26 AM   #19 
     - Me too - my sister and cousins all went - and we're almost all dems now...  TankLV   Jan-03-09 03:49 PM   #85 
     - Nice, even third-graders are the enemy now? (nt)  Posteritatis   Jan-02-09 10:20 AM   #23 
     - Marilyn Manson went to Christian Schools. He turned out fine.  alfredo   Jan-02-09 05:41 PM   #67 
        - If you think  Dorian Gray   Jan-05-09 06:45 AM   #141 
        - These kids are in public schools, at taxpayer expense, though. And the trailers are on school  No Elephants   Jan-05-09 03:58 PM   #151 
  - I just couldn't do that.  livvy   Jan-02-09 09:14 AM   #18 
  - The only problem with that is that it opens  Ilsa   Jan-02-09 08:59 PM   #69 
  - How could it not?  JerseygirlCT   Jan-02-09 09:07 AM   #16 
  - Does it have to be on a weekday?  moggie   Jan-02-09 09:12 AM   #17 
  - Or after school.  Dorian Gray   Jan-05-09 06:46 AM   #142 
  - They need to go back to Philosophy Courses  glinda   Jan-02-09 10:00 AM   #21 
  - For Cryin' Out Loud - There's a church every 5 blocks  askeptic   Jan-02-09 10:02 AM   #22 
  - All y'all heathens are missing the point.  progressoid   Jan-02-09 10:37 AM   #24 
  - The school should have never implemented, but a lawsuit?  newtothegame   Jan-02-09 10:42 AM   #25 
  - Yeah, a lawsuit - kind of like the one that brought us Brown v. Board of Ed.  northernsoul   Jan-02-09 11:51 AM   #27 
  - Yeah I understand your argument...  newtothegame   Jan-02-09 11:54 AM   #29 
  - Prayer in schools...is what this is about. It has ALWAYS...  YvonneCa   Jan-03-09 11:15 AM   #77 
  - I'll say GOOD for the school, it SHOULD BE allowed.  Festivito   Jan-02-09 11:52 AM   #28 
  - It should NOTbe allowed...  and-justice-for-all   Jan-02-09 12:19 PM   #31 
  - It SHOULD be. Don't take student's time away from them.  Festivito   Jan-02-09 12:37 PM   #36 
  - The students are having time taken away from them, from subjects like science and literature...  Solon   Jan-02-09 12:42 PM   #37 
  - Well, you must then insist there is not enough time in a day.  Festivito   Jan-02-09 12:57 PM   #43 
     - Schools have limited budgets, and limited time, yes...  Solon   Jan-02-09 01:07 PM   #46 
        - Not so limited that they cannot find time for the parents and students.  Festivito   Jan-02-09 01:21 PM   #48 
           - "good atheistic judge" where do you come up with these fascinating misconceptions...  Solon   Jan-02-09 01:25 PM   #50 
              - A little dull minded today? That was meant as a judge on your side.  Festivito   Jan-02-09 01:36 PM   #53 
                 - On whose side? n/t  Solon   Jan-02-09 03:08 PM   #60 
                    - Hmmm. Am I dealing with someone with multiple personalities? /nt  Festivito   Jan-02-09 08:56 PM   #68 
  - Unless it's education of world religions- no  TEmperorHasNoClothes   Jan-02-09 01:38 PM   #54 
     - No, it's freedom of religion, not religions.  Festivito   Jan-02-09 01:47 PM   #56 
        - Not in Public Schools - with compulsory school attendance laws  askeptic   Jan-02-09 03:12 PM   #61 
        - Students are only compelled to attend basic courses.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 10:54 AM   #94 
           - What about elementary school classes, where...  YvonneCa   Jan-04-09 11:42 AM   #97 
              - Are you suggesting the students cannot move themselves?  Festivito   Jan-04-09 02:33 PM   #107 
                 - I'm talking about what the California Education Code defines...  YvonneCa   Jan-04-09 02:39 PM   #108 
                    - Does that mean that students cannot move?  Festivito   Jan-04-09 03:45 PM   #117 
                       - Not without teacher decision and...  YvonneCa   Jan-04-09 03:55 PM   #118 
                          - That makes no sense.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 04:17 PM   #121 
                             - You used the term, 'stuck'...  YvonneCa   Jan-04-09 04:45 PM   #122 
                                - Perhaps the California Education Code has us stuck.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 08:28 PM   #125 
        - And how will non-Christian children be free to make that choice...  KevinJ   Jan-03-09 05:20 PM   #87 
           - Simple, they don't attend that room at that time.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 11:03 AM   #95 
              - Not that simple  KevinJ   Jan-04-09 03:41 PM   #116 
                 - Not that complicated either.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 03:55 PM   #119 
                    - Not unfair, just the way life is  KevinJ   Jan-04-09 09:46 PM   #127 
                       - Being unfair is not necessary.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 10:30 PM   #134 
                          - You've been given several compelling reasons...  KevinJ   Jan-04-09 11:45 PM   #138 
                             - You might try to reread your own signature line.  Festivito   Jan-05-09 05:42 AM   #140 
  - As long as there are hard-atheists who go beyond lack, and deny god, you'd be wrong.  Festivito   Jan-02-09 12:46 PM   # 
     - And that applies to this lawsuit how? n/t  Solon   Jan-02-09 12:52 PM   #40 
        - It responded to a different post by and-justice-for-all.  Festivito   Jan-02-09 01:03 PM   #44 
  - It looks like a church is running the instruction itself...  Solon   Jan-02-09 12:30 PM   #34 
  - I would contend it is not preferential unless it displaces another religion.  Festivito   Jan-02-09 12:43 PM   #38 
     - That makes absolutely no sense, and since when do death and incarceration enter into it?  Solon   Jan-02-09 12:46 PM   #39 
        - But it does. It's called a Constitution.  Festivito   Jan-02-09 12:53 PM   #41 
           - Actually, technically, life and liberty were NOT in the constitution originally...  Solon   Jan-02-09 01:04 PM   #45 
              - And, if you elevate the Lemon test to an amendment, I'll heed it.  Festivito   Jan-02-09 01:13 PM   #47 
                 - Where would it inhibit religion? This is a fascinating interpretation you came up with...  Solon   Jan-02-09 01:23 PM   #49 
                    - You'll ignore the rest because of one point that did not matter?  Festivito   Jan-02-09 01:43 PM   #55 
                       - What classroom is lying fallow in this case? Its a church owned trailer...  Solon   Jan-02-09 03:07 PM   #58 
                          - That would be one that is not being used. /nt  Festivito   Jan-02-09 09:21 PM   #71 
  - Yes, Festivito, that is consistent with your previous posts  askeptic   Jan-02-09 03:46 PM   #64 
  - If compulsory, yes, this, however is not.  Festivito   Jan-02-09 09:19 PM   #70 
     - The school's purpose is to educate these kids in secular subjects, not make religious instruction...  Solon   Jan-02-09 10:23 PM   #72 
     - Let me guess, you're the DEFINER person.  Festivito   Jan-03-09 12:25 AM   #74 
        - Like I said, its outside the public school's scope to provide facilities for religious instruction.  Solon   Jan-03-09 01:00 PM   #82 
           - Prohibiting use of facility is prohibiting a religious activity there.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 09:22 AM   #90 
              - This is not a free speech argument. This post is not about...  YvonneCa   Jan-04-09 12:02 PM   #99 
                 - It was a PARALLEL to free speech.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 03:20 PM   #109 
                    - That's just plain...  YvonneCa   Jan-04-09 03:25 PM   #111 
                       - So was yours.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 03:31 PM   #115 
     - It's about government being prevented...by law...  YvonneCa   Jan-03-09 11:20 AM   #78 
     - You need to start at the beginning. /nt  Festivito   Jan-04-09 10:40 AM   #92 
        - Define...  YvonneCa   Jan-04-09 12:04 PM   #100 
           - What version of the movie "Airplane!" are we in?  Festivito   Jan-04-09 01:27 PM   #102 
              - I'm sorry. I seriously did not understand...  YvonneCa   Jan-04-09 01:39 PM   #104 
                 - At approximately which word did you start noticing this confusion? /nt  Festivito   Jan-04-09 02:28 PM   # 
                 - At approximately which word did you start noticing this confusion? /nt  Festivito   Jan-04-09 02:28 PM   #106 
     - You seem not to understand that the First Amendment...  YvonneCa   Jan-04-09 11:54 AM   #98 
  - Separation of church and state IS the law already  MajorChode   Jan-04-09 06:21 AM   #88 
  - You're right, I should have used "right" instead of "law"  Festivito   Jan-04-09 10:38 AM   #91 
     - It wouldn't have made a difference if you had used "right"  MajorChode   Jan-04-09 03:31 PM   #113 
        - Well, I'm not as precise with words as you seem to require.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 04:14 PM   #120 
        - You're the one trying to make this an issue of semantics  MajorChode   Jan-04-09 05:02 PM   #124 
           - Just an overview, review.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 10:03 PM   #129 
              - A review of the overview  MajorChode   Jan-04-09 11:41 PM   #137 
                 - We agree. Here was my ....  YvonneCa   Jan-05-09 02:37 PM   #146 
                 - This is one of my favorite quotes on the subject...  MajorChode   Jan-05-09 08:12 PM   #152 
                    - That IS ...  YvonneCa   Jan-05-09 09:20 PM   #153 
                 - Thanks for acknowledging my opinion as my opinion and arguing  Festivito   Jan-05-09 10:05 PM   #155 
                    - The above sums up why your opinions are irrelevant....  MajorChode   Jan-05-09 11:16 PM   #156 
                       - From you, an honor. /nt  Festivito   Jan-06-09 12:02 AM   #157 
                          - Unbelievable.  YvonneCa   Jan-06-09 03:30 PM   #160 
                             - Isn't it though. /nt  Festivito   Jan-06-09 05:39 PM   #162 
        - Great post. n/t  YvonneCa   Jan-04-09 04:50 PM   #123 
  - First Amendment...  YvonneCa   Jan-04-09 11:34 AM   #96 
     - Thank you, well aware, so on to the rest...  Festivito   Jan-04-09 01:00 PM   #101 
     - Where to begin...  YvonneCa   Jan-04-09 01:33 PM   #103 
        - Glad we can agree on at least some little part.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 02:23 PM   #105 
           - People are entitled to their own opinion...  YvonneCa   Jan-04-09 03:23 PM   #110 
     - Much of this issue boils down to the motives of organized religion  MajorChode   Jan-04-09 08:40 PM   #126 
        - OMG, that's hilarious!  KevinJ   Jan-04-09 10:01 PM   #128 
        - I had some help in that one  MajorChode   Jan-05-09 12:13 AM   #139 
        - Not in all cases, but too true for too many cases, and funny too.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 10:13 PM   #130 
        - I would never suggest they were all bad  MajorChode   Jan-04-09 10:32 PM   #135 
           - No one should get a free pass.  Festivito   Jan-04-09 11:19 PM   #136 
        - You've hit it dead on  MountainLaurel   Jan-05-09 10:53 AM   #144 
  - Do Atheists have a chance to promote their views to the students?  baldguy   Jan-02-09 12:12 PM   #30 
  - Atheism is not a religion...nt  and-justice-for-all   Jan-02-09 12:19 PM   #32 
     - It is a belief system.  baldguy   Jan-02-09 12:28 PM   #33 
     - It's a lack of belief  Tempest   Jan-02-09 12:54 PM   #42 
        - Lack of belief on the God of Abraham is not an indication of a lack of ALL belief.  baldguy   Jan-02-09 01:28 PM   #52 
           - In that case, they're not really atheists  Tempest   Jan-02-09 05:08 PM   #65 
              - Christians are atheists with regards to the belief in Amun, Jupiter and Quetzalcoatl.  baldguy   Jan-02-09 05:41 PM   #66 
     - Self-delete, attached to wrong post. /nt  Festivito   Jan-02-09 12:31 PM   #35 
     - It is a religious stance and is entitled to equal standing  askeptic   Jan-02-09 03:26 PM   #63 
  - IIRC, I was sent to CCD after school  GinaMaria   Jan-02-09 01:27 PM   #51 
  - Well, if the program "program neither advances nor inhibits religion," then ...  damntexdem   Jan-02-09 02:44 PM   #57 
  - The line was crossed when the teacher delivered the kids, and it was on school property.  jazzjunkysue   Jan-02-09 03:08 PM   #59 
  - OK, I'm a little mystified here, when I went to public school, as far as I'm aware of, the school...  Solon   Jan-02-09 03:13 PM   #62 
  - You have really never heard of that?  whopis01   Jan-03-09 10:10 AM   #76 
     - Perception. That's the problem. I am a teacher. Most districts in most ...  YvonneCa   Jan-03-09 11:27 AM   #80 
     - Nope, never heard of it, we'd have half days, but those were for parent-teacher conferences...  Solon   Jan-03-09 12:49 PM   #81 
     - Never heard of it either  GinaMaria   Jan-04-09 10:44 AM   #93 
  - I completely agree. There is a huge misunderstanding...  YvonneCa   Jan-03-09 11:23 AM   #79 
     - Not only that, the school is really freewheeling down a slippery slope  MajorChode   Jan-06-09 01:09 AM   #159 
        - I know. What defines a 'church' or a 'religion'? There is no ...  YvonneCa   Jan-06-09 03:41 PM   #161 
  - These programs have been around for a long time.  donco6   Jan-03-09 12:32 AM   #75 
  - Religion pushing it's agenda, imagine.  sarcasmo   Jan-03-09 01:11 PM   #83 
  - My family did that when I was in school - every Monday.  TankLV   Jan-03-09 03:47 PM   #84 
  - Minnesota has (had?) a law allowing released time religious instruction  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-03-09 04:49 PM   #86 
  - And the fact there is a disclaimer in the front of the book which says  RJ Connors   Jan-04-09 03:30 PM   #112 
  - Separation of Church and State  Torem   Jan-04-09 03:31 PM   #114 
  - i remember this type thing...  zelta gaisma   Jan-05-09 11:03 AM   #145 
  - Best-known former Huntington, Ind. schoolchild? None other than J. Danforth Quayle.  KamaAina   Jan-06-09 06:23 PM   #164 
 

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