Reply #70: Well, one of the "they's" is dead--small plane crash last week, after he was deposed

[Peace Patriot]

in a lawsuit in Ohio about 2004 election fraud. Rove's head IT guru. Michael Connell. Highly suspicious circumstances (experienced, careful pilot, clear weather, the plane crash created a big ball of fire, so he was not out of fuel, no voice traffic indicating a problem, etc.)

Michael Connell basically ran the show in 2004. His corp 'counted' Ohio--in Tennessee, on an RNC server! He is probably the one responsible for 'disappearing' 5,000 Karl Rove emails from that period.

You ask what happened to the "all powerful they"? That's what happened to one of "them."

Also, vigilance and passionate activism by ordinary citizens and election protection groups has somewhat improved election officials, election rules and election systems (MN being a good example) and public awareness. Another factor: due to suspicions of electronic and other kinds of election fraud, get-out-the-vote activists have concentrated on improving turnout, to 'beat the machines' with sheer numbers. "They" can control some election outcomes with the 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Republican corporations, in virtually all voting systems in this country, but they also have constraints--for instance, WHEN to install malicious code? What if voter turnout exceeds the expectations of these private programmers? Another for instance: public awareness could jeopardize their election theft capability for future elections. People might just throw their machines into 'Boston Harbor' if they steal an election too obviously, now that the public is much more aware of that possibility.

They've stacked the deck so strongly against Obama, with a ten trillion dollar deficit (projected over ten years), the bailout (giveaway of our treasury unto the 7th generation), thorough ruination of every agency of the federal government, and so much else, that "they" may have figured: 'let him win--heh, heh--he'll get blamed for everything--our corpo/fascist 'news' monopolies will make sure of that--and he'll be out in four years.'

The pre-election polls strongly favored Obama. "They" would have been risking a Boston Tea Party to steal it from him. But the truth is that Obama cannot prove that he actually won. Half the voting systems in the country are 100% non-transparent--no paper trail at all; nothing TO audit or recount. I think he did win. In fact, I think he won bigger than the voting numbers show. (I think they shaved his mandate, as a further handicap.) Three corporations control most of the election results. All have close ties to the Republican Party. Two have close ties to extreme rightwing causes. And they have total control over the results in half the country. They have the capability--the EASY capability--to steal any national election, and many local ones. I think they DID steal Coleman's first election. I will never believe that Minnesotans chose Coleman over Walter Mondale (who stood in for Paul Wellstone, whose small plane had also crashed, also in highly suspicious circumstances, two weeks or so before that '02 election). (Wellstone had pledged to lead the fight against the invasion of Iraq in the Senate.)

Think of the 'TRADE SECRET' code in all of our election systems as a piano. Karl Rove and others, because of their 'in' with these rightwing corps, have the ability to "play it"-- high notes, low notes, half notes, chords; whole songs, whole symphonies. Around 2002, they could play simple songs on it--Max Cleland in GA, Coleman in MN. By 2004 they could "play" a whole symphony. But then the public--weary of this "music"--began to shrink the piano, by demanding and getting a paper trail in some states, concentrating on electing better secretaries of state, getting better rules, reducing Puke vote suppression, exposing the election system to scrutiny, and massive voter reg and GOTV campaigns, etc. Minnesotans have fought hard for better rules and a more transparent system. That is why Franken has a chance.

Also, Coleman is dirty, and it looks like he will be exposed. So the Bushwhacks--who are spying on everybody, and know all the dirt--may have hung him out to dry. Diebold or ES&S (can't recall which election theft corp they have in MN, but one of these two--the worst two) could EASILY have shifted votes from Franken to the third candidate, but with a paper trail and strong recount rules, they might have been caught. So they backed off in this instance. Maybe they'll work at the state level on Pukifying the election rules again, for next time.

I don't think anybody ever said that "they" are omnipotent. Why are you exaggerating what election fraud activists have said? But they have issued reasonable, sensible WARNINGS that the election system is very vulnerable to theft, and that theft has most likely occurred. Should we STFU, or what? What are you saying? That cuz Franken might win by one vote, or a hundred votes, the warnings were alarmist? Can ANY warnings about potential election fraud BE alarmist, in these circumstances--a fascist coup for eight years, 100% non-transparent voting systems in half the country, and citizens having to fight tooth and nail for SOME--not total, merely SOME--transparency? Even a fairly good system like MN's--good for a 'TRADE SECRET' system--remains highly vulnerable to insider hacking. If the contest isn't close, there is no recount. And in that case, there is insufficient auditing to know for sure that it wasn't stolen.

After everything that has gone down--electronic purges of millions of black and other Democratic voters, massive, blatant vote suppression, study after study indicating that Kerry won in 2004, blatant thefts like Cleland in GA in '02, the Bushwhacks using the Dept. of Justice for political purposes, the $3.9 billion e-voting boondoggle that corrupted our system, and now a Democratic Congress with a 10% approval rating (worse than Bush's) which escalated the Iraq War when the people voted for them to end it--how can you pooh-pooh warnings about election fraud? Are you trying to make people stupid? Un-vigilant? Complacent?