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Tue Dec-23-08 06:22 AM
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| 38. If Obama helps join them against GLBTs, ALL , Democrats will suffer. If even more African |
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Edited on Tue Dec-23-08 06:24 AM by No Elephants
Americans get co-opted by the religious right and the GLBT community is abandoned to the far left (think Green--and not in a good way}, Democrats are not going to be winning many elections in a many parts of the country. Just when it looked as though the Republican party might be going down for the count.
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| -Saddleback Pastor Rick Warren to speak at King memorial |
dwickham |
Dec-22-08 09:27 PM |
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Yay, it's America's new Pastor! |
Bluebear |
Dec-22-08 09:29 PM |
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since Billy Graham is retiring someone had to do it |
dwickham |
Dec-22-08 09:30 PM |
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I don't think America can afford to feed Man-on-Pizza Rick Warren. n/t |
IanDB1 |
Dec-23-08 06:38 AM |
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"... positive communication between the conservative movement |
madeline_con |
Dec-22-08 09:33 PM |
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that struck me as well |
dwickham |
Dec-22-08 09:35 PM |
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I see black gays kids take a lot of heat in the schools. |
madeline_con |
Dec-22-08 09:38 PM |
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how many black kids are kicked out of their homes for being black |
dwickham |
Dec-22-08 09:43 PM |
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True. :( |
madeline_con |
Dec-22-08 09:46 PM |
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How many black kids are kicked out of their homes for being gay |
Karenina |
Dec-23-08 03:32 AM |
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Name removed |
Dec-23-08 08:02 PM |
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probably just as many white kids and brown kids and kids of all colors |
dwickham |
Dec-23-08 11:20 PM |
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Let's hear it for "the down-low" |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Dec-22-08 10:29 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-23-08 09:50 AM |
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My cousin.... |
bliss_eternal |
Dec-23-08 06:44 PM |
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Yep I mean |
dmallind |
Dec-22-08 09:36 PM |
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Obama gave him the biggest stage |
dwickham |
Dec-22-08 09:42 PM |
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Ermmm no he didn't |
dmallind |
Dec-23-08 07:40 AM |
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Obama gave him the imprimatur of the Presidency. That is a legitimacy among |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 03:48 AM |
#116 |
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Exactly. It's Obama's fault, never mind the millions of followers this man already had. |
Number23 |
Dec-22-08 11:45 PM |
#17 |
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No matter how many readers he had, a Democratic POT:US had never honored him. Until now. |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 05:57 AM |
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It's creepy |
madamesilverspurs |
Dec-22-08 09:51 PM |
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actually I would draw the line there |
LynneSin |
Dec-22-08 09:56 PM |
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Lots of religions do work around AIDS, including the Catholic church, fundies and |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 06:06 AM |
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Uh, yeah, the catholic church's AIDS work consists of them LYING to Africans about AIDS... |
Zhade |
Dec-23-08 06:14 AM |
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I didn't say that - I said that's one of the reasons fundies don't like him |
LynneSin |
Dec-23-08 06:25 AM |
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No one said you said that, whatever "that" refers to. My point was that AIDS ministries are very |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 07:10 AM |
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As I said and I hope this is a bit clearer |
LynneSin |
Dec-23-08 08:42 AM |
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You are accusing me of reading shit into your posts when the reality is that you |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 03:58 AM |
#117 |
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More of those, "I finally got mine. Screw You." civil rights dinosaurs joing anti-GLBTObama. |
RCinBrooklyn |
Dec-22-08 10:38 PM |
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Again, human rights are not the same as human opinions. |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-22-08 11:18 PM |
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Did someone claim they were? Marriage between two adults who wish to marry each other is not |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 04:47 AM |
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Another great way to kill Obama before he gets started. |
tomreedtoon |
Dec-22-08 11:19 PM |
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He's doing it to himself |
Pastiche423 |
Dec-23-08 12:29 AM |
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Hey. Obama done it to himself. |
PFunk |
Dec-23-08 12:42 AM |
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Oh, yes, you'll teach Obama a lesson, all right. |
tomreedtoon |
Dec-24-08 03:41 AM |
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"Killing?" A tad dramatic, right along with " incinerating" and knife. There are many steps |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 06:11 AM |
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You weren't around during the Clinton years, were you? |
tomreedtoon |
Dec-24-08 03:38 AM |
#108 |
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Let's stick to the subject, which is not Monica. GLBT's worked for Clinton and he hung them out |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 04:05 AM |
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Um, he's legitmizing a BIGOT. |
Zhade |
Dec-23-08 06:15 AM |
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Not only legitimizing. Honoring. Lifting Up. Putting on him America's imprimatur. |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 06:16 AM |
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All I see is this, with one change: |
tomreedtoon |
Dec-24-08 03:20 AM |
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Then work on separating issues. It's not all one big plate of spaghetti. What |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 04:12 AM |
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Obama's doing the backstabbing. |
Algorem |
Dec-23-08 08:17 AM |
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Obama's fingers weren't on this knife. |
tomreedtoon |
Dec-24-08 03:19 AM |
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Neither were the fingers of the GLBT community. Also, you are coming to a |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 04:18 AM |
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Shame on you. |
Bluebear |
Dec-23-08 07:58 PM |
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On me? My fingers weren't on this knife. |
tomreedtoon |
Dec-24-08 03:08 AM |
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what a re-write of history |
RainDog |
Dec-24-08 06:49 AM |
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Scalpels have blades too |
Sentath |
Dec-24-08 10:15 AM |
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I was sad when the Kings rolled over for Bush, more than once. |
roody |
Dec-22-08 11:36 PM |
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It's sadder if they just rolled over for Obama. |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 06:17 AM |
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Darn. At a time when Gay rights really really need to be upheld because they're going backwards |
superconnected |
Dec-23-08 12:10 AM |
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I think the sign here is . . . |
caseymoz |
Dec-23-08 12:34 AM |
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If this is true then I see a backlash comming for the entire black community over this. |
PFunk |
Dec-23-08 12:45 AM |
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the repugs are dead |
dwickham |
Dec-23-08 01:24 AM |
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Just after you kick those who suffer the same discrimination as you do |
Karenina |
Dec-23-08 05:43 PM |
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no one suffers the same discrimination that the GLBT community does |
dwickham |
Dec-23-08 10:56 PM |
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Here's what I don't get Dwickham |
Karenina |
Dec-24-08 05:25 PM |
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Are you addressing that to members of the African American community or to members of the |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 05:20 AM |
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In hindsight, none of this is surprising. |
caseymoz |
Dec-23-08 10:53 PM |
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There are a few steps between being a champion of GLBT rights and placing the |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 05:00 AM |
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If Obama helps join them against GLBTs, ALL , Democrats will suffer. If even more African |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 06:22 AM |
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It can backfire. The more African Americans join with the religious right, the |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 04:56 AM |
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someone needs to catch this guy with a gay hooker SOON. |
yurbud |
Dec-23-08 12:57 AM |
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Or using the n word or otherwise signaling to his "congregation" |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 04:26 AM |
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Which guy? Obama, MLK III or Warren? |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 06:25 AM |
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If Obama had that issue, Hillary or the GOP would have brought it to light by now |
yurbud |
Dec-23-08 06:53 PM |
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Maybe food is his only vice. |
roody |
Dec-23-08 12:36 PM |
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Every time I see the name of Warren's church |
pipoman |
Dec-23-08 05:36 AM |
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Me, too. For the first second, I think the name of the movie was Saddleback Mountain. |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 06:26 AM |
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I wonder if Obama called MlK III and requested this, to help diffuse the heat Obama was |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 06:02 AM |
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Me too, but ONLY while Warren is speaking. |
Zhade |
Dec-23-08 06:17 AM |
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who does he pay off? |
Algorem |
Dec-23-08 06:14 AM |
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His church alone reportedly has 22,000 voters. And millions of readers think |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 06:28 AM |
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At least one of the King kids is anti-gay, but I forget which one. n/t |
IanDB1 |
Dec-23-08 06:37 AM |
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It must be some sort of sick irony, but every time I see "Saddleback", my mind reads "Brokeback" |
HopeHoops |
Dec-23-08 08:22 AM |
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. |
nc4bo |
Dec-23-08 08:55 AM |
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Have Bob Herbert, Eugene Rosinson, etc. weighed in on the Inaugural thing? |
TOJ |
Dec-23-08 09:05 AM |
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It's Obama asking the King center to provide cover, IMO. |
robcon |
Dec-23-08 09:05 AM |
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It Seems |
LeFleur1 |
Dec-23-08 10:04 AM |
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I don't know. Jews supported African Americans civil rights very strongly until the two |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 05:11 AM |
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The King who said "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"?! |
KamaAina |
Dec-23-08 03:05 PM |
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Rick Warren to be main speaker at Ebenezer on King Day |
Truth Teller |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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I wonder what his fee is. |
TomInTib |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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King's daughter campaigned FOR Proposition 8. nt |
MookieWilson |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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Damn |
Truth Teller |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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No shit?? |
ronnykmarshall |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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Ouch. |
KamaAina |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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And Coretta Scott King was for full gay rights equality |
dbackjon |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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Yes, she does. Not the first famous offspring to do that. nt |
MookieWilson |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
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Yes, yes. It's all Obama's fault. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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An unfortunate side effect of Obama's putrid selection |
Truth Teller |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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I blame Melissa Etheridge. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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She is pitching a new CD. That's probably more real to her right now |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
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If Obama had nothing to gain from it, he would have chosen someone else. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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Yeah, yeah. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
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That may be a little true, granted. But not in the main. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
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Strikes me as strange |
Truth Teller |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
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Not everybody here is a progressive. |
QC |
Dec-24-08 08:32 PM |
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I am a centrist who is very pro-gay marriage. Being a centrist does not equal being a bigot. |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 05:22 AM |
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You mean, like gaining their own equal rights? You put that in the same class with pandering for |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 05:49 AM |
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STRAW MAN. The issue is having a Democratic, African American POTUS give the biggest honor he |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 05:17 AM |
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Man fuck this shit. Why is this bastard being blended into mainstream democracy? |
nc4bo |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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Mainstream oligarchy, you mean. |
ryanmuegge |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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One big happy family... |
Baby Snooks |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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Oh...my goodness... |
Obamalution |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
#75 |
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So that like offsets having a homphobe give the invocation? |
Truth Teller |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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People seem to think it's like math: 1 + -1 = 0, so it's a wash. n/t |
QC |
Dec-24-08 08:34 PM |
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Why not Jeremiah Wright? |
Baby Snooks |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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I agree. Obama didn't have the stones |
truth2power |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
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I think--HOPE--that Obama already rues it. But, he is not backing down. To |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 05:59 AM |
#132 |
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We're not distracted or divided |
AlbertCat |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
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Each and all of your points have been blown away on many other threads. I don't know if |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 05:40 AM |
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uggh. go away with that nonsense! nt |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-23-08 11:32 PM |
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The Purpose Driven Life? Is that like that Osteen's feel-good type book? |
Roland99 |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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They've been embraced by him as well.. |
Baby Snooks |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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Please tell me you are not trying to compare the two of them... |
demdog78 |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
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You apparently haven't encountered a member of his church... |
Baby Snooks |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
#91 |
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Jesus says not to be judgmental at all, but the Southern Baptist Seminary President says |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 05:54 AM |
#131 |
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This is the first time that I have opined on this particular point......... |
pattmarty |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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That rationale doesn't make sense to me |
Truth Teller |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
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I don't have to wait a year to conclude this choice was a mistake. And you |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 06:10 AM |
#133 |
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Feminists - we have to start 3000 threads on DU stating we're |
treestar |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
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Well, he side-stepped the abortion debate in Illinois. nt |
MookieWilson |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
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We'd be perfectly justified |
Truth Teller |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
#93 |
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Posts like this are what leads to one group going against the other, saying |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 06:19 AM |
#134 |
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He would have been calling for King to be lynched if this was 1968 |
ryanmuegge |
Dec-23-08 08:13 PM |
#83 |
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We shall overcome. |
RedCloud |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
#84 |
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I just wrote a rather sharp piece on LGBTQ movt insensitivity toward African-Americans; well ... |
cloudythescribbler |
Dec-23-08 08:14 PM |
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One church doesn't represent all of black america |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-23-08 11:35 PM |
#104 |
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I just watched the Rachel Maddow Show |
newspeak |
Dec-23-08 11:13 PM |
#100 |
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Warren holds to all the positions of the Southern Baptist Convention. |
mycritters2 |
Dec-24-08 10:28 AM |
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Because they couch it in terms of men treating women like Jesus treats his bride, the Church. Neo |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 05:29 AM |
#128 |
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Believing only one morally bankrupt thing and being morally correct on everything |
No Elephants |
Dec-26-08 06:27 AM |
#135 |
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huh? What the hell is going on? Warren is not welcome |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-23-08 11:30 PM |
#102 |
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Bernice must have invited him |
marshall |
Dec-26-08 07:40 AM |
#136 |
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