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224. The issue is not whether corn syrup is more unhealthy -- it's that its subsidized
Such that gollops of the stuff are in everything and that their price is artificially low -- which means people consume more and thereby eat more sugar in the process.
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  -New data: High-fructose corn syrup no worse than sugar Sgent  Dec-10-08 04:20 AM   #0 
  - Fucking THANK YOU!  Codeine   Dec-10-08 04:29 AM   #1 
  - You are failing to understand something very basic regarding  Javaman   Dec-10-08 10:23 AM   #34 
  - The lesson learned (which should have been obvious in the first place)  trotsky   Dec-10-08 10:43 AM   #45 
  - Perhaps the headline should be "Eating 1/2 lb. of sugar each day no better than  petronius   Dec-10-08 02:19 PM   #76 
  - Absolutely.  trotsky   Dec-11-08 06:39 AM   #161 
  - nor any BETTER - which is the point that should be driven home...  TankLV   Dec-12-08 07:50 PM   #206 
  - It's not in virtually everything Continental Europe eats  lebkuchen   Dec-11-08 02:08 PM   #178 
  - Maybe we should look at the findings and methodology?  Political Heretic   Dec-11-08 03:53 PM   #184 
  - How can you call it "complete BS" without even reading the findings?  Political Heretic   Dec-11-08 03:51 PM   #182 
  - Also check out post #6. nt  Javaman   Dec-10-08 10:25 AM   #37 
  - genetically modified  lebkuchen   Dec-11-08 02:06 PM   #177 
  - First, if you don't mind, I need to know who sponsored these studies.  aquart   Dec-10-08 04:32 AM   #2 
  - Bingo - I'm with you aquart  SpiralHawk   Dec-10-08 06:35 AM   #13 
  - I am grateful someone else asked who sponsored these studies.  cryingshame   Dec-10-08 10:42 AM   #42 
  - Ditto bingo. Especially suspect, IMO, is the switch by one of the researchers.  No Elephants   Dec-10-08 06:48 AM   #17 
  - Me too  Gman   Dec-10-08 06:49 AM   #18 
  - Yup, first thing I thought of, too  LostinVA   Dec-10-08 07:26 AM   #23 
  - EXACTLY!!!  ElsewheresDaughter   Dec-10-08 12:51 PM   #71 
  - why- ConAgra, of course...  stlsaxman   Dec-11-08 08:14 AM   #164 
  - "smoke 'em by the pack"  lebkuchen   Dec-11-08 02:09 PM   #179 
  - Partly the corn industry did... link  Sparky 1   Dec-11-08 04:51 PM   #190 
  - If the methodology is sound and the article was peer-reviewed, who cares who funded research?  Dreamer Tatum   Dec-12-08 10:55 AM   #196 
  - Ladies and gentlemen, I present yet another case of  Orrex   Dec-13-08 01:00 PM   #221 
  - ...and George Bush was legitimately elected  santamargarita   Dec-10-08 04:37 AM   #3 
  - No, he was not.  elleng   Dec-10-08 04:44 AM   #5 
     - I forgot the sarcasm - yes, he stole 2 elections  santamargarita   Dec-10-08 05:01 AM   #9 
        - 'They' stole  elleng   Dec-10-08 05:20 AM   #10 
  - So what?  elleng   Dec-10-08 04:40 AM   #4 
  - If it was only soda.  Javaman   Dec-10-08 10:24 AM   #35 
  - dupe nt  Javaman   Dec-10-08 10:24 AM   #36 
  - Really? I read on DU that it was genetic ...  dbaker41   Dec-10-08 10:44 AM   #46 
  - This bullshit report was brought to you by......  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-10-08 04:56 AM   #6 
  - What an amazing coincidence!  Nihil   Dec-10-08 07:14 AM   #21 
  - oh, this is major damage control  shanti   Dec-10-08 10:18 AM   #32 
  - It doesn't address the other study showing increased risk of kidney disease  varelse   Dec-10-08 08:01 AM   #25 
  - Well they are full of BS  lovuian   Dec-10-08 08:54 AM   #29 
  - I love you for doing that Sebastian Doyle.  cryingshame   Dec-10-08 10:43 AM   #44 
  - Yet the report was published by a respected, peer-referred journal.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 11:36 AM   #62 
  - Aaaaarrrrrrghhhhhh. Respected, peer-referred journals are full of crap science.  hunter   Dec-10-08 12:51 PM   #70 
  - I asked for a reasoned rebuttal.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 01:00 PM   #72 
  - Too much experience with the pharmaceutical industry to be reasonable...  hunter   Dec-10-08 02:11 PM   #75 
  - Well thanks for admitting you're not reasonable.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 02:36 PM   #81 
     - Nope, I got the right journal...  hunter   Dec-10-08 02:45 PM   #84 
  - Honey, be happy. YOU eat the HFCS. Eat all you want.  aquart   Dec-10-08 04:13 PM   #103 
  - That's fine.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 04:27 PM   #109 
     - Lies, damned lies, and statistics. n/t  bitchkitty   Dec-13-08 09:01 AM   #217 
  - Give us a reason to give this corporate 'study' a scintilla of cred, hooli  SpiralHawk   Dec-10-08 06:19 PM   #128 
     - It's been peer-reviewed by scientists.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 06:55 PM   #131 
        - The tobacco industry used reports from "scientists" to say cigarettes weren't addictive  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-10-08 08:28 PM   #146 
           - You're going to have to try better than that.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-11-08 12:12 PM   #173 
  - And "peers' often need money too..I'd be interested in how many "peers"  SoCalDem   Dec-11-08 04:31 AM   #158 
  - We need to be careful here  treestar   Dec-11-08 06:44 AM   #162 
  - You have no idea what you're blathering about  Dreamer Tatum   Dec-12-08 11:17 AM   #198 
     - Um, yes, I really do know what I'm blathering about...  hunter   Dec-12-08 01:49 PM   #201 
     - Fame and fortune await you, then  Dreamer Tatum   Dec-12-08 02:44 PM   #203 
        - Buy me the journal articles and pay me...  hunter   Dec-12-08 03:32 PM   #204 
           - Oh, so you haven't even read the articles.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-15-08 11:30 AM   #233 
              - I don't watch Fox News either.  hunter   Dec-15-08 06:42 PM   #236 
                 - If I wanted to criticize Fox News...  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-16-08 05:07 PM   #240 
                    - Are "science-based claims" the same as science?  hunter   Dec-16-08 06:41 PM   #241 
                       - "Something might be going on there."  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-17-08 12:27 PM   #242 
                          - What's your stake?  hunter   Dec-17-08 03:49 PM   #243 
                             - You hate science, period.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-18-08 01:16 PM   #244 
                                - James Randi talks quite a bit about the gullible scientist phenomena...  hunter   Dec-18-08 06:44 PM   #246 
     - But you have to admit that it doesn't help  sandyd921   Dec-13-08 08:09 AM   #215 
  - Did you say "conspiracy theories"? Oh no!! The gauntlet has been thrown.  gtar100   Dec-13-08 05:37 AM   #213 
  - Ptoooey on these phoney corporate 'studies'  SpiralHawk   Dec-10-08 03:56 PM   #99 
  - "Corporate Pigs" is Right  fascisthunter   Dec-10-08 06:01 PM   #124 
  - " ... The Sugar Association, Inc. ..."  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-10-08 06:21 PM   #129 
  - Cadbury's own website says otherwise  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-10-08 06:53 PM   #130 
     - Your link is 9 years out of date  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-10-08 07:32 PM   #135 
  - Yup. Bought and paid for. nm  dicksteele   Dec-12-08 08:34 PM   #210 
  - This still does not explain why nearly everything in the grocery store contains large amounts of  Mzztakable   Dec-10-08 04:57 AM   #7 
  - It's because..........  rucognizant   Dec-10-08 05:52 AM   #11 
  - I believepeople develop the exact same craving for  pipoman   Dec-10-08 08:12 AM   #26 
  - I avoid refined sugar in my coffee....  B3Nut   Dec-10-08 08:56 AM   #30 
  - Try agave nectar  seemunkee   Dec-10-08 09:06 AM   #31 
  - agave nectar  nocaster   Dec-10-08 10:45 AM   #47 
  - Try stevia. I use it all the time, I'm going to try and grow it myself this spring...  Javaman   Dec-10-08 10:42 AM   #41 
  - no sugar in the coffee here. I much prefer just coffee and cream. nt  yellowdogintexas   Dec-14-08 01:54 PM   #228 
  - Ding-ding-ding  Ms. Toad   Dec-10-08 04:44 PM   #112 
  - have you tried stevia?  shanti   Dec-10-08 10:21 AM   #33 
  - Part of that is Insulin AND Leptin (hormone) Resistance. I had those "pangs" last year and it  cryingshame   Dec-10-08 10:46 AM   #48 
  - All sugars cause cravings  Abq_Sarah   Dec-15-08 03:24 PM   #235 
  - Less expensive  elleng   Dec-10-08 05:56 AM   #12 
  - I have no problem at all avoiding products with HFCS  cali   Dec-10-08 06:44 AM   #16 
  - Because all of those things normally contain sugar.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 11:26 AM   #59 
  - Two words: Corn subsidies  TechBear_Seattle   Dec-10-08 11:31 AM   #61 
  - Corn is subsidized. They get paid by the government to use it.  Lorien   Dec-10-08 04:17 PM   #105 
  - What they don't tell you is how HFCS is Manufactured.  Grinchie   Dec-10-08 04:57 AM   #8 
  - i heard they really mistreat the corn  nerddem   Dec-10-08 06:50 AM   #19 
     - they use these giant machines called  Javaman   Dec-10-08 10:28 AM   #38 
        - the horror! even in small-scale operations  nerddem   Dec-10-08 10:50 AM   #50 
           - My God! will the horrors never end? I have lost my appetite!  Javaman   Dec-10-08 11:40 AM   #63 
           - That's why I only eat free range corn.  DuStrange   Dec-10-08 12:42 PM   #67 
              - That's the type of corn that only subsists on a diet of cows, right?  Javaman   Dec-10-08 02:31 PM   #78 
           - I recognize that process  Ms. Toad   Dec-10-08 04:46 PM   #113 
  - Except for the cloying icky sticky aftertaste.  fla nocount   Dec-10-08 06:37 AM   #14 
  - What about caramel?  WriteDown   Dec-10-08 10:41 AM   #40 
     - I was referring to the refreshing drinks with sugar added.  fla nocount   Dec-10-08 02:53 PM   #85 
        - Ever wonder what they made pecan pie with 100 years ago?  hedgehog   Dec-10-08 03:32 PM   #93 
           - Sugar syrup heated to 236 degrees or "thread stage"...  fla nocount   Dec-10-08 04:03 PM   #100 
  - What about its links to diabetes and ADD?  conscious evolution   Dec-10-08 06:40 AM   #15 
  - don't forget it's also a gate-way drug!!!  zelta gaisma   Dec-10-08 08:23 PM   #144 
     - To insulin and ritalin  conscious evolution   Dec-10-08 08:26 PM   #145 
     - wasn't talking so much about ...  zelta gaisma   Dec-10-08 09:54 PM   #149 
     - Fuck yeah. They dilute that stuff--deliberately--with dihydrogen monoxide. n/t  Orsino   Dec-12-08 12:42 PM   #199 
  - The empire strikes back  depakid   Dec-10-08 07:14 AM   #20 
  - So the HFC Indsutry sez: HFC is yummmy!  Bluenorthwest   Dec-10-08 07:20 AM   #22 
  - they are also advertising on tv.  cryingshame   Dec-10-08 10:47 AM   #49 
  - The influx of HFCS into the food chain  pipoman   Dec-10-08 07:59 AM   #24 
  - Bingo  Kali   Dec-10-08 11:10 AM   #55 
  - HFCS makes my heart pound and sugar doesn't.  crikkett   Dec-10-08 08:18 AM   #27 
  - HFCS give me heartburn.  mainegreen   Dec-10-08 11:05 AM   #53 
  - Well, it's either psychosomatic.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 11:25 AM   #58 
  - It's your imagination.  Codeine   Dec-10-08 02:32 PM   #79 
  - Oh really? It's not until after I've eaten something and nearly pass out that I  Lorien   Dec-10-08 04:14 PM   #104 
     - chemical differences in fructose vs glucose most likely. I get the sweats and  yellowdogintexas   Dec-14-08 01:53 PM   #227 
  - Same here. n/t  Lorien   Dec-10-08 04:10 PM   #102 
  - Perhaps you are allergic to HFCS  420inTN   Dec-10-08 07:22 PM   #134 
     - Nope. It's a classic hypoglycemic response n/t.  Lorien   Dec-10-08 07:38 PM   #139 
        - Must not be that classic.  420inTN   Dec-13-08 10:32 AM   #219 
  - It's that sexy acronym.  Orsino   Dec-12-08 12:43 PM   #200 
  - Never mind the health effects or lack of same.  pabsungenis   Dec-10-08 08:20 AM   #28 
  - I agree....  WriteDown   Dec-10-08 10:43 AM   #43 
  - But honey is just "high fructose flower syrup"  Tesha   Dec-11-08 08:06 AM   #163 
     - Haha!!!  WriteDown   Dec-11-08 09:19 AM   #165 
  - On that we agree.  Codeine   Dec-10-08 02:33 PM   #80 
  - No shit  gravity   Dec-10-08 10:37 AM   #39 
  - So no difference in "effect on appetite" -- was that ever even the question?  KurtNYC   Dec-10-08 10:52 AM   #51 
  - As with a public opinion poll, sometimes you can determine the answer  hedgehog   Dec-10-08 10:54 AM   #52 
  - Scientific studies aren't biased  gravity   Dec-10-08 11:08 AM   #54 
     - Depending on how I base the question, I think I could "prove" just about anything I want to.  hedgehog   Dec-10-08 11:28 AM   #60 
     - Don't you think scientists look at these problems  gravity   Dec-10-08 12:50 PM   #69 
     - The question you ask does matter!  sandyd921   Dec-13-08 08:43 AM   #216 
     - They do that all the time  arikara   Dec-13-08 12:02 PM   #220 
     - Are you 12?  aquart   Dec-10-08 04:20 PM   #107 
     - I trust science above any other sources  gravity   Dec-10-08 05:41 PM   #123 
        - Re: "I trust science."  420inTN   Dec-10-08 07:36 PM   #138 
           - I trust science, not an individual scientists  gravity   Dec-10-08 07:43 PM   #140 
     - According to the New England Journal of Medicine, they are.  knitter4democracy   Dec-10-08 06:07 PM   #127 
     - To help clear up any conflicts of interest  gravity   Dec-10-08 07:36 PM   #137 
        - I agree with you and with 420 on this one  pipoman   Dec-10-08 08:16 PM   #142 
        - Those conflicts of interest, however, can reveal bias.  knitter4democracy   Dec-11-08 09:47 AM   #166 
           - Most Americans believe what they want to believe  gravity   Dec-11-08 05:04 PM   #191 
              - That's true, too.  knitter4democracy   Dec-12-08 10:40 AM   #195 
     - Scientific studies CAN BE biased  420inTN   Dec-10-08 07:32 PM   #136 
  - "No worse"  Kali   Dec-10-08 11:16 AM   #56 
  - Well duh.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 11:24 AM   #57 
  - Why two names, then?  FiveGoodMen   Dec-10-08 02:31 PM   #77 
     - No, they're two different molecules.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 02:59 PM   #87 
        - So, if they're different how do we know their effect on the body is the same?  FiveGoodMen   Dec-10-08 03:34 PM   #94 
           - By studying the effects of the molecules on the body.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 03:36 PM   #95 
           - Stop being condescending.  FiveGoodMen   Dec-10-08 03:44 PM   #97 
              - Stop playing dumb.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 03:48 PM   #98 
           - They are not the same.  hunter   Dec-10-08 04:55 PM   #116 
              - Thank you.  FiveGoodMen   Dec-10-08 05:11 PM   #118 
              - Uh, hunter....  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 05:28 PM   #121 
              - That's not the way it works.  hunter   Dec-10-08 08:57 PM   #148 
                 - Actually, yes, it is.  Hanse   Dec-10-08 11:52 PM   #153 
                 - Go for it.  hunter   Dec-11-08 02:43 AM   #154 
                    - Fructose --> F6P --> G6P --> glucose  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-11-08 03:52 PM   #183 
                       - Hello? This is one place where fructose gets nasty...  hunter   Dec-11-08 08:10 PM   #194 
                 - Not to mention the fact  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-11-08 01:05 PM   #174 
                 - YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG!!!  TankLV   Dec-12-08 08:01 PM   #208 
                    - Ah, I wondered where this was coming from...  hunter   Dec-13-08 01:36 AM   #211 
                       - Sugar is SUGAR and reacts with the body THE SAME WAY!  TankLV   Dec-14-08 11:27 AM   #226 
                          - In chemistry rates are important. Dieticians base their practice on science.  hunter   Dec-14-08 02:07 PM   #229 
              - They're all SUGARS, and hence, too much of ALL of 'em is BAD...  TankLV   Dec-12-08 07:59 PM   #207 
                 - Just for fun I add this...  hunter   Dec-16-08 03:25 PM   #238 
  - dental caries not mentioned  librechik   Dec-10-08 12:05 PM   #64 
  - Why not just real sugar then?  Strathos   Dec-10-08 12:23 PM   #65 
  - 1. "real" sugar is also processed.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 12:25 PM   #66 
  - Or made from beets.  Ms. Toad   Dec-10-08 04:53 PM   # 
  - It's not any more processed than regular sugar.  Codeine   Dec-10-08 02:39 PM   #83 
     - Like hell it isn't.  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-10-08 02:56 PM   #86 
     - If it's not metabolised, why would it cause diabetes?  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 03:01 PM   #89 
     - Geeze..  jaredh   Dec-11-08 03:16 AM   #156 
     - Hogwash. Complete nonsense.  Codeine   Dec-10-08 04:51 PM   #114 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-10-08 07:01 PM   #132 
        - Yes, that must be it.  Codeine   Dec-10-08 08:06 PM   #141 
        - "I know a corporate shill when I see one."  Psephos   Dec-10-08 10:15 PM   #150 
     - Your post makes no sense whatsoever  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-10-08 05:19 PM   #119 
     - Sucrose, what we usually mean by "real sugar", is a disaccharide  nuxvomica   Dec-11-08 11:21 AM   #171 
     - FYI: Sucrose is a disaccharide, hence its subsequent breakdown into two monosaccharides.  Tesha   Dec-11-08 04:31 PM   #187 
  - High fructose corn syrup is a waste byproduct of the processing of ethanol industry  ElsewheresDaughter   Dec-10-08 12:47 PM   #68 
  - yuck  BuddhaGirl   Dec-10-08 03:38 PM   #96 
  - It's a genetic modification  lebkuchen   Dec-11-08 02:11 PM   #180 
  - I found this label comparison interesting ...  cosmicdot   Dec-10-08 01:21 PM   #73 
  - Yeah it must be the corn syrup  JonQ   Dec-10-08 02:03 PM   #74 
  - But those other factors exist in other countries as well  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-10-08 03:00 PM   #88 
     - Actually they do.  Codeine   Dec-10-08 04:53 PM   #115 
     - Came here to say exactly that  JonQ   Dec-10-08 06:03 PM   #125 
     - Change in diabetes rates in Europe from 1980 to 2005:  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-10-08 05:36 PM   #122 
  - it's still garbage  BuddhaGirl   Dec-10-08 02:38 PM   #82 
  - lulz  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 03:04 PM   #91 
     - Link? n/t  kgfnally   Dec-10-08 04:19 PM   #106 
        - here  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-10-08 04:26 PM   #108 
           - Now can you show me a site WITHOUT extreme bias toward this industry? n/t  kgfnally   Dec-10-08 07:20 PM   #133 
              - Extreme bias? Huh?  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-11-08 12:10 PM   #172 
  - That's a very poorly written article and the title of it is misleading.  Cerridwen   Dec-10-08 03:02 PM   #90 
  - Cheap HFCS contributes to more calories consumed.  freestyle   Dec-10-08 03:23 PM   #92 
  - Now THAT is a reasonable point.  Codeine   Dec-10-08 08:18 PM   #143 
  - This is one of the few reasoned posts on this thread  Psephos   Dec-10-08 08:34 PM   #147 
  - OK- then why can I eat items made with sugar and just feel a little light  Lorien   Dec-10-08 04:08 PM   #101 
  - Easy.  Codeine   Dec-10-08 04:56 PM   #117 
  - okay, lets suppose that's true. It still stands to reason that it is linked to obesity  AllyCat   Dec-10-08 04:34 PM   #110 
  - Didn't test copper metabolism in that study, did they?  aquart   Dec-10-08 04:36 PM   #111 
  - Fructose interferes with a lot of metabolic pathways.  hunter   Dec-10-08 05:21 PM   #120 
  - That's a quack site.  LeftyMom   Dec-10-08 10:35 PM   #151 
     - I just spent way too much time trying to find good sites.  hunter   Dec-11-08 02:59 AM   #155 
  - lol... sure it is  fascisthunter   Dec-10-08 06:04 PM   #126 
  - I don't give a rat's ass what they say, my family DOES NOT PARTAKE!!  SoCalDemGrrl   Dec-10-08 10:54 PM   #152 
  - No surprise.  jaredh   Dec-11-08 03:21 AM   #157 
  - It's the same damn thing as sugar - it IS sugar. nt  old mark   Dec-11-08 05:05 AM   #159 
  - scientific information cascade  Locrian   Dec-11-08 06:24 AM   #160 
  - I'll go with that to a certain extent, but it's also true you can't read everything.  hunter   Dec-11-08 10:33 AM   #170 
  - There is no "real truth" in inferential statistical analysis  Mosby   Dec-11-08 06:52 PM   #193 
  - But they put HFCS in EVERYTHING!  LeftHander   Dec-11-08 10:00 AM   #167 
  - That, in my opinion, is the real problem.  Ms. Toad   Dec-11-08 01:41 PM   #176 
  - classic internet responses here  Bill McBlueState   Dec-11-08 10:02 AM   #168 
  - The USA today article cited in the original post isn't biased...  hunter   Dec-11-08 01:35 PM   #175 
  - It's bullshit  Khaotic   Dec-11-08 10:33 AM   #169 
  - a New York Food and Drug lawyer told me years ago  lebkuchen   Dec-11-08 02:14 PM   #181 
     - I once had a podiatrist from Nebraska tell me to buy Bear Stearns stock.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-11-08 04:28 PM   #186 
        - I hope he didn't get left flat-footed! (NT)  Tesha   Dec-11-08 04:39 PM   #188 
  - BS!  for-q-bush   Dec-11-08 04:26 PM   #185 
  - An 10,000,000 people in the US have corn allergy  Sparky 1   Dec-11-08 04:46 PM   #189 
  - (1) Who sponsored this "new" "research"? (2) HFCS is in damn near everything that sugar never was.  Hekate   Dec-11-08 05:30 PM   #192 
  - No HFCS. No gluten. No soy. No hydrogenated oils.  diamidue   Dec-12-08 10:56 AM   #197 
  - What's your concern with gluten and soy?  Ms. Toad   Dec-15-08 08:35 AM   #231 
  - Not much worse than black tar heroin, either, probly.  mbperrin   Dec-12-08 01:53 PM   #202 
  - conversely - no better, either...  TankLV   Dec-12-08 07:49 PM   #205 
  - Bullshit  dpbrown   Dec-12-08 08:28 PM   #209 
  - Now ask yourself, is this the best the corn industry could do???  hunter   Dec-13-08 02:28 AM   #212 
  - Not so fast  sandyd921   Dec-13-08 07:57 AM   #214 
  - What they don't tell you is HFCS is made from PEOPLE!  billyskank   Dec-13-08 10:17 AM   #218 
  - Sweet, delicious people  Orrex   Dec-13-08 01:05 PM   #222 
  - "One paper was written by Barry Popkin...  antiwarwarrior   Dec-13-08 05:28 PM   #223 
  - Opening the door to HFCS in Mexico...  hunter   Dec-13-08 07:36 PM   #225 
  - The issue is not whether corn syrup is more unhealthy -- it's that its subsidized  liberalpragmatist   Dec-13-08 07:29 PM   #224 
  - I'll still try to cut it out of my diet as much as possible, thanks.  seawolf   Dec-15-08 07:46 AM   #230 
  - It's not *what* you eat it's *how fucking much* you eat!  joshcryer   Dec-15-08 11:29 AM   #232 
  - so i'd be equally healthy and slender on 1200 calories a day from vegetables  Scout   Dec-15-08 01:45 PM   #234 
  - How about TASTE??  ovidsen   Dec-15-08 09:03 PM   #237 
  - Yeah well I don't buy it, they also claimed that smoking was ok for decades!!!  demo dutch   Dec-16-08 04:06 PM   #239 
  - my family  Marblehead   Dec-18-08 03:41 PM   #245 
 

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