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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:42 AM
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102. President For Life!
And with Mafiosa inflection, "And its perfectly legal."


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  -Chavez renews reelection ambition EconomicLiberal  Nov-30-08 10:49 PM   #0 
  - There are Chavez defenders on DU?  halo experiment   Nov-30-08 10:54 PM   #1 
  - Yes. Plus, they tend to read the whole OP article too.  Billy Burnett   Dec-01-08 09:27 AM   #33 
  - Some of us find the selectivity of the outrage curious. Uribe's 2005 changes to Colombia's  struggle4progress   Dec-02-08 10:19 AM   #94 
     - Haha.. Thanks For Posting That  Crisco   Dec-02-08 02:23 PM   #113 
     - We didn't hear a peep from these same people when it was revealed that Uribe's people BRIBED  Judi Lynn   Dec-02-08 02:40 PM   #115 
     - LOL!  sfexpat2000   Dec-02-08 02:52 PM   #118 
     - As a matter of fact,  ronnie624   Dec-03-08 11:33 AM   #128 
  - Of course if GWB propsed repealing the 22nd Amendment, everyone here would be (rightfully) outraged.  Teh_Rabble_Rouser   Nov-30-08 10:55 PM   #2 
  - some people would  dwickham   Nov-30-08 10:57 PM   #5 
  - with 20% approval rate I'd be worry about it n/t  AlphaCentauri   Dec-01-08 09:50 AM   #36 
  - What if Barack proposed repeal of the 22nd amendment ?  ohio2007   Dec-01-08 05:17 PM   #66 
  - they don't post anything that may be critical of St. Hugo  dwickham   Nov-30-08 10:56 PM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-30-08 11:23 PM   #11 
     - yet another whatever post for me  dwickham   Dec-01-08 12:08 AM   #16 
        - I have no problem with Chavez putting it to a vote  rpannier   Dec-01-08 02:57 AM   #22 
           - In theory I don't have a problem  Dorian Gray   Dec-01-08 07:18 AM   #27 
           - The difference being...  rpannier   Dec-01-08 05:09 PM   #64 
           - he put it to a vote already...it was shot down but he is ready this time  ohio2007   Dec-01-08 05:30 PM   #67 
           - I didn't know that  dwickham   Dec-02-08 01:13 AM   #87 
  - fantastic news  Alamuti Lotus   Nov-30-08 10:56 PM   #4 
  - like Castro?  dwickham   Nov-30-08 10:58 PM   #6 
  - Like Castro what?  bitchkitty   Dec-02-08 11:10 AM   #99 
  - the problem with that is the state becomes inextricably entwined  cali   Dec-01-08 07:56 AM   #30 
     - Says who? n/t  ronnie624   Dec-01-08 09:41 AM   #35 
        - a state needs to be able to pass its leadership from one person  cali   Dec-01-08 10:01 AM   #39 
           - A state can do nothing other than pass its leadership from one person to another.  ronnie624   Dec-01-08 01:21 PM   #44 
           - Valid point  rpannier   Dec-02-08 01:20 AM   #88 
  - So "a plan to seek a constitutional amendment" is a power grab?  Wilms   Nov-30-08 11:00 PM   #7 
  - He lost in the same referendum last year.  EconomicLiberal   Nov-30-08 11:04 PM   #8 
     - Oh. I see.  Wilms   Nov-30-08 11:09 PM   #9 
        - He's trying to strong arm his way to endless re-election.  EconomicLiberal   Nov-30-08 11:18 PM   #10 
        - Yeah. Elections should be cancelled.  Wilms   Nov-30-08 11:25 PM   #12 
           - The ironic thing about this whole situation is that we know people like you  EconomicLiberal   Nov-30-08 11:29 PM   #13 
           - GWB would not be following the Constitutional process to overturn the 22nd Amendment  Larkspur   Nov-30-08 11:39 PM   #15 
           - how exactly would the SCOTUS rule a CONSTITUTIONAL amendment  Endangered Specie   Dec-01-08 01:15 AM   #20 
              - They did with prohibition  JonQ   Dec-01-08 03:51 PM   #60 
                 - You might want to read up on the 21st amendment.  tritsofme   Dec-01-08 06:21 PM   #73 
                 - No prohibition was repealed by another amendment  Endangered Specie   Dec-01-08 10:28 PM   #82 
           - Hugo Chavez is not GWB  StClone   Dec-01-08 04:49 AM   #24 
           - The public already voted, and they rejected him.  tritsofme   Dec-01-08 06:24 PM   #74 
              - So what's your beef?  StClone   Dec-02-08 12:36 PM   #104 
           - Most Venezuelans do not consider  bitchkitty   Dec-03-08 10:24 AM   #125 
           - Can you answer a question  Dorian Gray   Dec-01-08 07:20 AM   #28 
              - If GWB had a 65% approval rating  ronnie624   Dec-01-08 09:55 AM   #38 
                 - Oh please  Dorian Gray   Dec-01-08 12:42 PM   #43 
                    - Repeated referenda are allowed in this country, though not at the fed level.  High Plains   Dec-01-08 01:23 PM   #45 
                    - What you like or dislike about the Venezuelan government is irrelevant.  ronnie624   Dec-01-08 01:24 PM   #46 
                    - I know that  Dorian Gray   Dec-01-08 02:18 PM   #49 
                       - Your point is elusive.  ronnie624   Dec-01-08 11:19 PM   #84 
                    - Do you honestly believe that anything he could do would silence his critics?  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-08 01:48 PM   #48 
                       - You are right  Dorian Gray   Dec-01-08 02:20 PM   #50 
                          - I think it's okay for him to try. On the other hand, I'd also like to see  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-08 02:26 PM   #51 
                          - That's what I'd like to know, too  Dorian Gray   Dec-01-08 03:02 PM   #57 
                             - I'm going to dig around in the next coupla days. If I post a thread,  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-08 03:04 PM   #58 
                                - Thanks.  Dorian Gray   Dec-01-08 03:45 PM   #59 
                                   - I found this article which has a lot of names of up and comers.  sfexpat2000   Dec-02-08 02:14 PM   #110 
                          - If Venezuelan law allows for repeated attempts at constitutional revision,  ronnie624   Dec-01-08 11:37 PM   #85 
                             - They feel their power over sovereign people by extension through their aggressive  Judi Lynn   Dec-02-08 12:20 AM   #86 
                             - "an issue cannot be consulted twice during the same term in office"  Bacchus39   Dec-02-08 03:13 PM   #120 
                             - Trying to stir up trouble again, Bacchus?  Zorro   Dec-02-08 09:20 PM   #121 
                             - "In his opinion"  ronnie624   Dec-02-08 11:19 PM   #122 
                             - Does Venezuelan law  Dorian Gray   Dec-03-08 08:08 AM   #123 
                                - I just happen to have a copy which I have read in its entirety.  ronnie624   Dec-03-08 09:52 AM   #124 
        - Everybody makes mistakes, little buddy.  AngryAmish   Dec-01-08 03:55 PM   #61 
  - It's mine. Mine. MINE!  onehandle   Nov-30-08 11:32 PM   #14 
  - such an ignorant response  subsuelo   Dec-01-08 09:27 AM   #34 
  - I like Chvez, but I've always thought this is a bad idea...  arcos   Dec-01-08 12:34 AM   #17 
  - I agree. nt  Guy Whitey Corngood   Dec-01-08 10:03 AM   #40 
  - I don't know how I feel about him being re-elected.  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-08 11:49 AM   #42 
  - Couldn't he just pull a Putin?  Endangered Specie   Dec-01-08 01:14 AM   #18 
  - He will go out kicking and screaming.  Winnipegosis   Dec-01-08 01:15 AM   #19 
  - The U.S. Constitution didn't place term limits on the executive branch until after FDR's 4 terms. nt  w4rma   Dec-01-08 01:27 AM   #21 
  - There are several rather biased 'framings' in the way this article is written, and  Peace Patriot   Dec-01-08 03:34 AM   #23 
  - Would disagree on one point (though I can't prove it)  rpannier   Dec-01-08 04:56 AM   #25 
  - he lost your support over that?  subsuelo   Dec-01-08 09:21 AM   #32 
  - The voters have spoken clearly  Mudoria   Dec-01-08 07:47 AM   #29 
     - I guess the voters will decide what is best for them n/t  AlphaCentauri   Dec-01-08 09:52 AM   #37 
     - That is the problem, Murdoria. A 50.7% vs 49.3% vote is NOT clear. It was not  Peace Patriot   Dec-02-08 10:06 AM   #93 
  - Viva Chavez!!!! America benifitted greatly from FDR's four terms.  Vidar   Dec-01-08 06:40 AM   #26 
  - Maybe not....  WriteDown   Dec-01-08 01:45 PM   #47 
     - Didn't we get into some kind of a war during the FDR administration?  slackmaster   Dec-01-08 02:48 PM   #54 
     - That may have helped....  WriteDown   Dec-01-08 02:50 PM   #55 
     - Thanks for replying to whomever. I have him on "ignore" & he stays there.  Vidar   Dec-01-08 05:31 PM   #68 
     - The economists you cite are free-market, "trickle-down" shills  brentspeak   Dec-01-08 10:58 PM   #83 
        - Please cite other articles refuting it then....  WriteDown   Dec-03-08 11:20 AM   #126 
           - Most people do not pay capital gain taxes on their primary residences  wuushew   Dec-06-08 03:51 PM   #138 
  - Good, I hope he succeeds.  subsuelo   Dec-01-08 09:20 AM   #31 
  - Power grabs are not voted on by the electorate. n/t  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-08 11:46 AM   #41 
  - I'm against all term limits  aldo   Dec-01-08 02:39 PM   #52 
  - I thought only conservatives did whatever was necessary to stay in power  slackmaster   Dec-01-08 02:46 PM   #53 
  - Like call for a vote?  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-08 02:57 PM   #56 
  - You're going to get flamed for this  JonQ   Dec-01-08 04:37 PM   #62 
  - Except he didn't say that. He said that if the opposition kept trying to  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-08 04:58 PM   #63 
  - Thanks for illustrating my point  JonQ   Dec-01-08 05:55 PM   #70 
  - No, you didn't.  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-08 05:59 PM   #71 
     - Oh well  JonQ   Dec-01-08 06:10 PM   #72 
        - Chavez's statement was clear from the outset and I hope  sfexpat2000   Dec-01-08 06:29 PM   #76 
           - So clear in fact  JonQ   Dec-01-08 06:54 PM   #79 
              - 80% of any communication never makes it into words.  sfexpat2000   Dec-02-08 02:16 PM   #111 
  - here is Chavez himself saying he would take out the tanks if the opposition wins  Bacchus39   Dec-02-08 10:54 AM   #97 
     - That's bs and you know it. You read and understand Spanish. n/t  sfexpat2000   Dec-02-08 11:31 AM   #100 
        - yes, but apparently you don't. "....if they return to governing,.....  Bacchus39   Dec-02-08 11:40 AM   #101 
  - He said he's send tanks against fascist coup plotters. I say "wonderful!"  David__77   Dec-01-08 06:38 PM   #78 
     - No  JonQ   Dec-01-08 08:31 PM   #80 
        - He referred to the oligarchy, not to an election opponent.  David__77   Dec-02-08 02:26 AM   #89 
           - plus he took time to clear the whole thing up  subsuelo   Dec-02-08 08:14 AM   #91 
           - He cleared it up  JonQ   Dec-02-08 10:44 AM   #96 
              - good lord man think about what you are saying  subsuelo   Dec-02-08 11:05 AM   #98 
                 - By adding important  JonQ   Dec-02-08 11:42 AM   #103 
                    - Why is it so painful to just accept the amended remarks?  subsuelo   Dec-02-08 12:47 PM   #105 
                       - Why not accept  JonQ   Dec-02-08 12:51 PM   #106 
                          - Why would he lie?  subsuelo   Dec-02-08 01:03 PM   #107 
                             - Why would a politician lie?  JonQ   Dec-02-08 01:16 PM   #108 
                                - Please, that's such an evasive answer  subsuelo   Dec-02-08 02:10 PM   #109 
                                   - Because he recieved a great deal of negative press about it  JonQ   Dec-02-08 02:17 PM   #112 
                                      - You apparently have not taken the time away from posting to inform yourself regarding Ve. elections.  Judi Lynn   Dec-02-08 02:30 PM   #114 
                                      - Chavez the tyrant?  subsuelo   Dec-02-08 02:51 PM   #117 
                                      - It isn't rocket science to determine that Saddam had fake elections  sfexpat2000   Dec-02-08 02:53 PM   #119 
           - No  JonQ   Dec-02-08 10:42 AM   #95 
  - he must stand down in 2012 unless  ohio2007   Dec-01-08 05:14 PM   #65 
  - So Venezuelans Get to Vote for it? Your Problem is...?  fascisthunter   Dec-01-08 05:35 PM   #69 
  - None of them have a problem with Uribe.  bitchkitty   Dec-06-08 03:38 PM   #137 
  - I hope the crash of the oil market does the same thing to the Chavez government.  tritsofme   Dec-01-08 06:28 PM   #75 
  - I think it's a good idea.  David__77   Dec-01-08 06:36 PM   #77 
  - "Power Grab?"  The Traveler   Dec-01-08 08:54 PM   #81 
  - He's like the Parti Quebecois: keeping running referenda  robcon   Dec-02-08 06:29 AM   #90 
  - Power grab?  BklnDem75   Dec-02-08 08:30 AM   #92 
  - President For Life!  onehandle   Dec-02-08 11:42 AM   #102 
  - . . .  sfexpat2000   Dec-06-08 03:07 PM   #136 
  - I personally cannot stand Chavez,  Codeine   Dec-02-08 02:46 PM   #116 
  - In 1993 the voters of NYC passed a term limit referendum on the Mayor.  SOS   Dec-03-08 11:27 AM   #127 
  - From What I've Heard from Venezuelans,  ribofunk   Dec-03-08 04:05 PM   #129 
  - Venezuelan students begin campaigning against indefinite reelection  ohio2007   Dec-03-08 07:29 PM   #130 
  - Venezuelan student groups are on the payroll of the U.S. government, thanks to right-wing a-holes  Judi Lynn   Dec-03-08 07:34 PM   #131 
     - ahhhhh. no citizen is worthy of the Bolivar ian revolution .... I see. All are collaborators  ohio2007   Dec-06-08 03:01 PM   #133 
        - No, it's simply that some of those student groups get your tax money  sfexpat2000   Dec-06-08 03:03 PM   #134 
  - PBS: Front Line's "The Hugo Chavez Show" video 7 of 8  ohio2007   Dec-06-08 02:57 PM   #132 
     - The RCTV story has been debunked here ad nauseum. n/t  sfexpat2000   Dec-06-08 03:06 PM   #135 
 

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