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Mon Dec-01-08 04:56 AM
Response to Reply #23 |
| 25. Would disagree on one point (though I can't prove it) |
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I am stillof the belief that the referendum failed because it had too many issues on it.
I am no huge Chavez supporter (he lost me when he was fawning over Gim Jeong-il two years ago), but I felt after that election that he needed to break up the referendum into single issues and let people vote on each individually.
Let the voters decide on the merits of each one.
If the vote passes then it passes, if it fails, it fails.
In the end let the voters decide
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| -Chavez renews reelection ambition |
EconomicLiberal |
Nov-30-08 10:49 PM |
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There are Chavez defenders on DU? |
halo experiment |
Nov-30-08 10:54 PM |
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Yes. Plus, they tend to read the whole OP article too. |
Billy Burnett |
Dec-01-08 09:27 AM |
#33 |
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Some of us find the selectivity of the outrage curious. Uribe's 2005 changes to Colombia's |
struggle4progress |
Dec-02-08 10:19 AM |
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Haha.. Thanks For Posting That |
Crisco |
Dec-02-08 02:23 PM |
#113 |
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We didn't hear a peep from these same people when it was revealed that Uribe's people BRIBED |
Judi Lynn |
Dec-02-08 02:40 PM |
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LOL! |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-02-08 02:52 PM |
#118 |
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As a matter of fact, |
ronnie624 |
Dec-03-08 11:33 AM |
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Of course if GWB propsed repealing the 22nd Amendment, everyone here would be (rightfully) outraged. |
Teh_Rabble_Rouser |
Nov-30-08 10:55 PM |
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some people would |
dwickham |
Nov-30-08 10:57 PM |
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with 20% approval rate I'd be worry about it n/t |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-01-08 09:50 AM |
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What if Barack proposed repeal of the 22nd amendment ? |
ohio2007 |
Dec-01-08 05:17 PM |
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they don't post anything that may be critical of St. Hugo |
dwickham |
Nov-30-08 10:56 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-30-08 11:23 PM |
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yet another whatever post for me |
dwickham |
Dec-01-08 12:08 AM |
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I have no problem with Chavez putting it to a vote |
rpannier |
Dec-01-08 02:57 AM |
#22 |
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In theory I don't have a problem |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-01-08 07:18 AM |
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The difference being... |
rpannier |
Dec-01-08 05:09 PM |
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he put it to a vote already...it was shot down but he is ready this time |
ohio2007 |
Dec-01-08 05:30 PM |
#67 |
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I didn't know that |
dwickham |
Dec-02-08 01:13 AM |
#87 |
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fantastic news |
Alamuti Lotus |
Nov-30-08 10:56 PM |
#4 |
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like Castro? |
dwickham |
Nov-30-08 10:58 PM |
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Like Castro what? |
bitchkitty |
Dec-02-08 11:10 AM |
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the problem with that is the state becomes inextricably entwined |
cali |
Dec-01-08 07:56 AM |
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Says who? n/t |
ronnie624 |
Dec-01-08 09:41 AM |
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a state needs to be able to pass its leadership from one person |
cali |
Dec-01-08 10:01 AM |
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A state can do nothing other than pass its leadership from one person to another. |
ronnie624 |
Dec-01-08 01:21 PM |
#44 |
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Valid point |
rpannier |
Dec-02-08 01:20 AM |
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So "a plan to seek a constitutional amendment" is a power grab? |
Wilms |
Nov-30-08 11:00 PM |
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He lost in the same referendum last year. |
EconomicLiberal |
Nov-30-08 11:04 PM |
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Oh. I see. |
Wilms |
Nov-30-08 11:09 PM |
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He's trying to strong arm his way to endless re-election. |
EconomicLiberal |
Nov-30-08 11:18 PM |
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Yeah. Elections should be cancelled. |
Wilms |
Nov-30-08 11:25 PM |
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The ironic thing about this whole situation is that we know people like you |
EconomicLiberal |
Nov-30-08 11:29 PM |
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GWB would not be following the Constitutional process to overturn the 22nd Amendment |
Larkspur |
Nov-30-08 11:39 PM |
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how exactly would the SCOTUS rule a CONSTITUTIONAL amendment |
Endangered Specie |
Dec-01-08 01:15 AM |
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They did with prohibition |
JonQ |
Dec-01-08 03:51 PM |
#60 |
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You might want to read up on the 21st amendment. |
tritsofme |
Dec-01-08 06:21 PM |
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No prohibition was repealed by another amendment |
Endangered Specie |
Dec-01-08 10:28 PM |
#82 |
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Hugo Chavez is not GWB |
StClone |
Dec-01-08 04:49 AM |
#24 |
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The public already voted, and they rejected him. |
tritsofme |
Dec-01-08 06:24 PM |
#74 |
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So what's your beef? |
StClone |
Dec-02-08 12:36 PM |
#104 |
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Most Venezuelans do not consider |
bitchkitty |
Dec-03-08 10:24 AM |
#125 |
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Can you answer a question |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-01-08 07:20 AM |
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If GWB had a 65% approval rating |
ronnie624 |
Dec-01-08 09:55 AM |
#38 |
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Oh please |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-01-08 12:42 PM |
#43 |
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Repeated referenda are allowed in this country, though not at the fed level. |
High Plains |
Dec-01-08 01:23 PM |
#45 |
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What you like or dislike about the Venezuelan government is irrelevant. |
ronnie624 |
Dec-01-08 01:24 PM |
#46 |
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I know that |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-01-08 02:18 PM |
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Your point is elusive. |
ronnie624 |
Dec-01-08 11:19 PM |
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Do you honestly believe that anything he could do would silence his critics? |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-01-08 01:48 PM |
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You are right |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-01-08 02:20 PM |
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I think it's okay for him to try. On the other hand, I'd also like to see |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-01-08 02:26 PM |
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That's what I'd like to know, too |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-01-08 03:02 PM |
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I'm going to dig around in the next coupla days. If I post a thread, |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-01-08 03:04 PM |
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Thanks. |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-01-08 03:45 PM |
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I found this article which has a lot of names of up and comers. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-02-08 02:14 PM |
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If Venezuelan law allows for repeated attempts at constitutional revision, |
ronnie624 |
Dec-01-08 11:37 PM |
#85 |
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They feel their power over sovereign people by extension through their aggressive |
Judi Lynn |
Dec-02-08 12:20 AM |
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"an issue cannot be consulted twice during the same term in office" |
Bacchus39 |
Dec-02-08 03:13 PM |
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Trying to stir up trouble again, Bacchus? |
Zorro |
Dec-02-08 09:20 PM |
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"In his opinion" |
ronnie624 |
Dec-02-08 11:19 PM |
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Does Venezuelan law |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-03-08 08:08 AM |
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I just happen to have a copy which I have read in its entirety. |
ronnie624 |
Dec-03-08 09:52 AM |
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Everybody makes mistakes, little buddy. |
AngryAmish |
Dec-01-08 03:55 PM |
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It's mine. Mine. MINE! |
onehandle |
Nov-30-08 11:32 PM |
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such an ignorant response |
subsuelo |
Dec-01-08 09:27 AM |
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I like Chávez, but I've always thought this is a bad idea... |
arcos |
Dec-01-08 12:34 AM |
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I agree. nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Dec-01-08 10:03 AM |
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I don't know how I feel about him being re-elected. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-01-08 11:49 AM |
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Couldn't he just pull a Putin? |
Endangered Specie |
Dec-01-08 01:14 AM |
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He will go out kicking and screaming. |
Winnipegosis |
Dec-01-08 01:15 AM |
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The U.S. Constitution didn't place term limits on the executive branch until after FDR's 4 terms. nt |
w4rma |
Dec-01-08 01:27 AM |
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There are several rather biased 'framings' in the way this article is written, and |
Peace Patriot |
Dec-01-08 03:34 AM |
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Would disagree on one point (though I can't prove it) |
rpannier |
Dec-01-08 04:56 AM |
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he lost your support over that? |
subsuelo |
Dec-01-08 09:21 AM |
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The voters have spoken clearly |
Mudoria |
Dec-01-08 07:47 AM |
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I guess the voters will decide what is best for them n/t |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-01-08 09:52 AM |
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That is the problem, Murdoria. A 50.7% vs 49.3% vote is NOT clear. It was not |
Peace Patriot |
Dec-02-08 10:06 AM |
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Viva Chavez!!!! America benifitted greatly from FDR's four terms. |
Vidar |
Dec-01-08 06:40 AM |
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Maybe not.... |
WriteDown |
Dec-01-08 01:45 PM |
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Didn't we get into some kind of a war during the FDR administration? |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 02:48 PM |
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That may have helped.... |
WriteDown |
Dec-01-08 02:50 PM |
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Thanks for replying to whomever. I have him on "ignore" & he stays there. |
Vidar |
Dec-01-08 05:31 PM |
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The economists you cite are free-market, "trickle-down" shills |
brentspeak |
Dec-01-08 10:58 PM |
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Please cite other articles refuting it then.... |
WriteDown |
Dec-03-08 11:20 AM |
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Most people do not pay capital gain taxes on their primary residences |
wuushew |
Dec-06-08 03:51 PM |
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Good, I hope he succeeds. |
subsuelo |
Dec-01-08 09:20 AM |
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Power grabs are not voted on by the electorate. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-01-08 11:46 AM |
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I'm against all term limits |
aldo |
Dec-01-08 02:39 PM |
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I thought only conservatives did whatever was necessary to stay in power |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 02:46 PM |
#53 |
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Like call for a vote? |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-01-08 02:57 PM |
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You're going to get flamed for this |
JonQ |
Dec-01-08 04:37 PM |
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Except he didn't say that. He said that if the opposition kept trying to |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-01-08 04:58 PM |
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Thanks for illustrating my point |
JonQ |
Dec-01-08 05:55 PM |
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No, you didn't. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-01-08 05:59 PM |
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Oh well |
JonQ |
Dec-01-08 06:10 PM |
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Chavez's statement was clear from the outset and I hope |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-01-08 06:29 PM |
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So clear in fact |
JonQ |
Dec-01-08 06:54 PM |
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80% of any communication never makes it into words. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-02-08 02:16 PM |
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here is Chavez himself saying he would take out the tanks if the opposition wins |
Bacchus39 |
Dec-02-08 10:54 AM |
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That's bs and you know it. You read and understand Spanish. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-02-08 11:31 AM |
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yes, but apparently you don't. "....if they return to governing,..... |
Bacchus39 |
Dec-02-08 11:40 AM |
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He said he's send tanks against fascist coup plotters. I say "wonderful!" |
David__77 |
Dec-01-08 06:38 PM |
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No |
JonQ |
Dec-01-08 08:31 PM |
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He referred to the oligarchy, not to an election opponent. |
David__77 |
Dec-02-08 02:26 AM |
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plus he took time to clear the whole thing up |
subsuelo |
Dec-02-08 08:14 AM |
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He cleared it up |
JonQ |
Dec-02-08 10:44 AM |
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good lord man think about what you are saying |
subsuelo |
Dec-02-08 11:05 AM |
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By adding important |
JonQ |
Dec-02-08 11:42 AM |
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Why is it so painful to just accept the amended remarks? |
subsuelo |
Dec-02-08 12:47 PM |
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Why not accept |
JonQ |
Dec-02-08 12:51 PM |
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Why would he lie? |
subsuelo |
Dec-02-08 01:03 PM |
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Why would a politician lie? |
JonQ |
Dec-02-08 01:16 PM |
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Please, that's such an evasive answer |
subsuelo |
Dec-02-08 02:10 PM |
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Because he recieved a great deal of negative press about it |
JonQ |
Dec-02-08 02:17 PM |
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You apparently have not taken the time away from posting to inform yourself regarding Ve. elections. |
Judi Lynn |
Dec-02-08 02:30 PM |
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Chavez the tyrant? |
subsuelo |
Dec-02-08 02:51 PM |
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It isn't rocket science to determine that Saddam had fake elections |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-02-08 02:53 PM |
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No |
JonQ |
Dec-02-08 10:42 AM |
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he must stand down in 2012 unless |
ohio2007 |
Dec-01-08 05:14 PM |
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So Venezuelans Get to Vote for it? Your Problem is...? |
fascisthunter |
Dec-01-08 05:35 PM |
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None of them have a problem with Uribe. |
bitchkitty |
Dec-06-08 03:38 PM |
#137 |
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I hope the crash of the oil market does the same thing to the Chavez government. |
tritsofme |
Dec-01-08 06:28 PM |
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I think it's a good idea. |
David__77 |
Dec-01-08 06:36 PM |
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"Power Grab?" |
The Traveler |
Dec-01-08 08:54 PM |
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He's like the Parti Quebecois: keeping running referenda |
robcon |
Dec-02-08 06:29 AM |
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Power grab? |
BklnDem75 |
Dec-02-08 08:30 AM |
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President For Life! |
onehandle |
Dec-02-08 11:42 AM |
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. . . |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-06-08 03:07 PM |
#136 |
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I personally cannot stand Chavez, |
Codeine |
Dec-02-08 02:46 PM |
#116 |
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In 1993 the voters of NYC passed a term limit referendum on the Mayor. |
SOS |
Dec-03-08 11:27 AM |
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From What I've Heard from Venezuelans, |
ribofunk |
Dec-03-08 04:05 PM |
#129 |
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Venezuelan students begin campaigning against indefinite reelection |
ohio2007 |
Dec-03-08 07:29 PM |
#130 |
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Venezuelan student groups are on the payroll of the U.S. government, thanks to right-wing a-holes |
Judi Lynn |
Dec-03-08 07:34 PM |
#131 |
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ahhhhh. no citizen is worthy of the Bolivar ian revolution .... I see. All are collaborators |
ohio2007 |
Dec-06-08 03:01 PM |
#133 |
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No, it's simply that some of those student groups get your tax money |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-06-08 03:03 PM |
#134 |
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PBS: Front Line's "The Hugo Chavez Show" video 7 of 8 |
ohio2007 |
Dec-06-08 02:57 PM |
#132 |
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The RCTV story has been debunked here ad nauseum. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-06-08 03:06 PM |
#135 |
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