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Arkplayer Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:03 AM
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86. 165 Degrees
Health codes require food be cooked to 165 degrees to kill bacteria, not served at 165 degrees.

No winnable lawsuit here, much ado about nothing.

"State prison rules say inmates are entitled to two hot meals a day - but it's up to prison officials to decide how hot is hot enough, a state appeals court ruled Tuesday."

"Margulies said prison records indicated that meals served to the security unit are reheated to between 110 and 120 degrees, close to the ideal level for hot food, and generally served 10 to 20 minutes later, though the wait can be longer in unusual circumstances. Even if a meal sometimes arrives lukewarm or cold, she said, the records suggest that this is the exception, not the rule."

"About 1,100 inmates are held in security housing because of their crimes, prison conduct or gang affiliations. The inmates aren't allowed in the prison cafeteria but get their meals in trays through a port in their cell doors."

Not directed at you, junofeb, but way too much hyperbole from many here about abuse and maltreatment of prisoners in this instance.

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  -Prisoners have no right to hot meals, appeal court says Newsjock  Nov-25-08 09:46 PM   #0 
  - Poor friggin' babies want to be spoon fed TOO?  Double T   Nov-25-08 09:53 PM   #1 
  - My Ruthug friend doesn't think the Red Cross should serve hot meals either.  peace13   Nov-25-08 09:55 PM   #2 
  - 'warm' is close enough to 'hot'.  Double T   Nov-25-08 10:07 PM   #7 
     - It isn't "coddling" prisoners, but yeah your impassionate attitude  jrockford   Nov-25-08 10:11 PM   #10 
     - So not serving criminals three hot meals a day is stripping them of their dignity?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-26-08 02:59 AM   #66 
     - No, but saying they deserve just bread and water is. Which is in what that was a response too. nt  jrockford   Nov-26-08 03:28 AM   #68 
        - Just making sure.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-26-08 03:36 AM   #69 
     - Wake Up......  VeraAgnes   Nov-26-08 06:17 AM   #80 
        - I don't recall saying nursing home care is passionate and selfless either. huh. nt  jrockford   Nov-26-08 07:29 AM   #82 
        - Hi there, posting from work!  Chulanowa   Nov-26-08 08:46 PM   #163 
     - the issue is responsibility  amdezurik   Nov-25-08 10:23 PM   #18 
     - No it has to do with an underlying respect for all humans.  peace13   Nov-26-08 09:35 AM   #91 
     - You seem very cruel. Prisoners are people. But besides that, warm food induces both a  zonkers   Nov-26-08 10:11 AM   #100 
     - When the food that is prepared "hot" and is "luke warm" or cold  merh   Nov-30-08 02:41 PM   #205 
  - Your post leads me to believe one of three things.  last1standing   Nov-25-08 09:58 PM   #4 
  - Amazing how the LOVE flows around here  saigon68   Nov-25-08 10:10 PM   #8 
  - Well said.  jrockford   Nov-25-08 10:10 PM   #9 
  - I'm a recent repeat offender of cell phone use while driving, failure to wear a seatbelt while......  Double T   Nov-25-08 10:17 PM   #16 
  - What's pathetic is that it had to be taken to court in the first place.  Dr.Phool   Nov-25-08 10:31 PM   #22 
  - What are the temperature regulations for a bologna sandwich?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-26-08 03:00 AM   #67 
     - The same as for any food consumed by humans:  kentauros   Nov-26-08 09:55 AM   #94 
        - I doubt it takes four hours for the food to get from the kitchen to the cells  XemaSab   Nov-26-08 11:04 AM   #113 
           - Notice the word "cumulative".  kentauros   Nov-26-08 11:14 AM   #117 
           - It doesn't but...  Chan790   Nov-27-08 10:03 AM   #188 
  - If stale bread and warm water works for you then feel free to eat it.  last1standing   Nov-25-08 10:35 PM   #25 
  - I'll bet no one died from 'it' and no one even got sick either.  Double T   Nov-25-08 10:49 PM   #31 
     - So your mindset is we should wait till someone does die. Gotcha.  last1standing   Nov-25-08 10:52 PM   #32 
     - a recent report stated that 1 out of every 100 people has sociopathic tendancies...  Javaman   Nov-26-08 09:57 AM   #97 
     - That's the same reasoning...  snake in the grass   Nov-26-08 12:50 AM   #58 
     - From food poisoning?  kgfnally   Nov-26-08 05:13 PM   #155 
     - You are mistaken.  Piewhacket   Nov-27-08 12:03 AM   #175 
  - You can just bond-out.  VeraAgnes   Nov-26-08 10:25 AM   #106 
  - Or you are a CINO, Christian In Name Only. nm  rhett o rick   Nov-26-08 09:10 AM   #90 
  - no I am not.  VeraAgnes   Nov-26-08 10:58 AM   #112 
  - We're talking prison, not jail  XemaSab   Nov-26-08 11:07 AM   #114 
  - They're still human beings.  last1standing   Nov-26-08 12:35 PM   #134 
  - Thank You.  MontyZuma   Nov-27-08 04:36 AM   #182 
  - If you are in Pelican Bay  Supply Side Jesus   Nov-28-08 03:42 AM   #196 
  - Amnesty International has had to campaign for the abuse of people in our prision systems  debbierlus   Nov-25-08 10:47 PM   #29 
  - Yeah, thanks to heartless pricks like the guy above.  Zhade   Nov-26-08 12:47 AM   #56 
  - Well said!!! It freaks me out that any one would agree with inhumane treatment.  JDwho   Nov-26-08 04:18 PM   #146 
  - Agreed, debbierlus. Well said. n/t  Laelth   Nov-26-08 06:33 PM   #161 
  - My oh my, I have republican friends with more compassion than you. nm  rhett o rick   Nov-25-08 11:26 PM   #46 
  - I am with the OP on this.  VeraAgnes   Nov-26-08 10:23 AM   #105 
     - We have more people in prison than anywhere else in the world. The majority of prisoners are in for  rhett o rick   Nov-26-08 10:38 AM   #109 
     - They have it nice............I find their care amazingly humane as well.  VeraAgnes   Nov-26-08 10:57 AM   #111 
        - I'm guessing you have never done time. Or are you speaking from experience?  Just A Yeller Dawg   Nov-26-08 06:16 PM   #159 
     - If even one has promise, then it's worth the time and effort  kentauros   Nov-26-08 10:51 AM   #110 
     - I'll Let my Brother Know That  fascisthunter   Nov-26-08 11:52 AM   #128 
     - Let me guess  Chulanowa   Nov-26-08 08:52 PM   #164 
     - I'm sure you know all about viciousness VeraAgnes  MontyZuma   Nov-27-08 04:34 AM   #181 
  - So all those nonviolent drug offenders who never harmed others - fuck them too?  Zhade   Nov-26-08 12:46 AM   #54 
  - Clever retort, very clever. PART OF ANY PRISON IS MEANT TO  acmavm   Nov-26-08 04:44 AM   #73 
  - They can use a microwave, get commissary etc...  VeraAgnes   Nov-26-08 06:15 AM   #78 
  - Again, one has nothing to do with the other...two separate problems.  jrockford   Nov-26-08 07:31 AM   #83 
  - Are you an inmate lover?  VeraAgnes   Nov-26-08 09:55 AM   #95 
     - I challenge you to listen to the following show, and not get choked up:  kentauros   Nov-26-08 10:05 AM   #99 
     - I'm very sure I would not choke-up over an inmate.  VeraAgnes   Nov-26-08 10:17 AM   #102 
        - I guess it takes a heart to care for your fellow human beings, no matter what their circumstances.  kentauros   Nov-26-08 10:29 AM   #107 
     - "inmate lover"  kgfnally   Nov-26-08 12:24 PM   #131 
     - "inmate lover"? Interesting choice of words there.  last1standing   Nov-26-08 12:27 PM   #133 
  - I challenge you to make a visit to your local county lock-up and then  hedgehog   Nov-26-08 08:21 AM   #87 
  - Inmates are assholes.  VeraAgnes   Nov-26-08 09:57 AM   #96 
     - The alternative is that not attempting to rehabilitate, such that  kentauros   Nov-26-08 10:11 AM   #101 
     - There is not enough money, personnel or time to fix them.  VeraAgnes   Nov-26-08 10:20 AM   #103 
     - If there's enough money to bail out those criminals at the top  kentauros   Nov-26-08 10:33 AM   #108 
     - There's definitely a lost soul in all of this.  last1standing   Nov-26-08 12:37 PM   #135 
     - you have to admit a large percentage enjoys the criminal lifestyle.  okieinpain   Nov-26-08 11:48 AM   #127 
        - I think you've watch "Bonnie & Clyde" too many times.  last1standing   Nov-26-08 12:41 PM   #137 
     - Logically  RattusRattus   Nov-26-08 12:27 PM   #132 
     - Does that include Guantanamo inmates? Or just all others...jeez  JDwho   Nov-26-08 04:20 PM   #147 
     - Prison guards are much worse....  LeftofU   Nov-26-08 07:13 PM   #162 
     - Hey, what goes around comes around.  MontyZuma   Nov-27-08 03:12 AM   #179 
  - He certainly wasn't coddled...  LanternWaste   Nov-26-08 11:13 AM   #116 
  - You obviously know nothing about  pipoman   Nov-26-08 04:48 PM   #153 
  - Wow...Adopt a pet but FUCK the humans? Nice priorities pal...  truebrit71   Nov-26-08 12:02 PM   #129 
  - Bread and water will not sustain them well  Truth Teller   Dec-16-08 08:26 PM   #209 
  - I can't even remember when I had 2 hot meals a day.  Fed_Up_Grammy   Nov-25-08 09:57 PM   #3 
  - Is that by choice or necessity?  last1standing   Nov-25-08 09:59 PM   #5 
     - By choice. I assume most folks have a quick,cold breakfast or  Fed_Up_Grammy   Nov-25-08 10:04 PM   #6 
        - I think you missed the point...  jrockford   Nov-25-08 10:12 PM   #11 
        - Why on earth would that choice even be necessary?  Fed_Up_Grammy   Nov-25-08 10:17 PM   #15 
        - and when the Innocence Project  amdezurik   Nov-25-08 10:25 PM   #20 
        - Where on earth did THAT come from? We were talking about  Fed_Up_Grammy   Nov-25-08 10:27 PM   #21 
           - no we are talking about treating prisoners humanely  amdezurik   Nov-26-08 11:25 AM   #122 
        - Would you want to eat cold 'mystery meat'?  last1standing   Nov-25-08 10:41 PM   #27 
        - thankyou last1standing!  Maine-ah   Nov-25-08 11:11 PM   #38 
        - You assume they would bother to send them to the medical clinic.  last1standing   Nov-25-08 11:16 PM   #41 
        - 165 degrees.  junofeb   Nov-26-08 06:10 AM   #75 
        - they don't get good medical care when they get sick, at least not in FL.  Shoelace   Nov-26-08 11:45 PM   #171 
        - The ambient air temperature there is often 50 degrees or colder  XemaSab   Nov-26-08 11:13 AM   #115 
           - And, according to Food Safety personnel  kentauros   Nov-26-08 11:17 AM   #118 
        - Yeah you did miss the point..  jrockford   Nov-25-08 11:10 PM   #36 
        - Not extended to prisoners....  WillBowden   Nov-25-08 10:40 PM   #26 
           - You should look at prison statistics sometime.  last1standing   Nov-25-08 10:47 PM   #30 
           - Health codes encompass all public venues.  junofeb   Nov-26-08 06:11 AM   #76 
        - Let 'em eat cake  Dirigo   Nov-25-08 10:13 PM   #12 
        - Typical conservative thinking - wow, haha our servicemen blah blah blah  jrockford   Nov-25-08 11:14 PM   #40 
        - Curious, are you a Christian?? You sound like a republican. No offense. nm  rhett o rick   Nov-25-08 11:30 PM   #47 
        - Sounds like a lot of christians, too.  Zhade   Nov-26-08 12:49 AM   #57 
           - which is unsurprising,  Bill McBlueState   Nov-26-08 10:20 AM   #104 
        - That's not the issue. The issue is whether the prison management  JDPriestly   Nov-26-08 01:18 AM   #60 
        - Whoa  junofeb   Nov-26-08 06:12 AM   #77 
        - Did you take a wrong turn at Albuquerque?  Jamastiene   Nov-26-08 04:22 PM   #148 
        - Having the ability to choose what you'd like to eat each day is nice, isn't it?  last1standing   Nov-25-08 10:45 PM   #28 
  - Why would the food have to be hot or cooked?  FarCenter   Nov-25-08 10:16 PM   #13 
  - Interesting. I read an article recently that said human's brains evolved  Doremus   Nov-25-08 10:21 PM   #17 
  - Possibly true, but  FarCenter   Nov-25-08 10:34 PM   #24 
  - What about the Aquatic Ape Theory (AAT)?  ngant17   Nov-26-08 02:54 AM   #65 
  - That's not what the court was deciding. Whether the hot food  JDPriestly   Nov-26-08 01:23 AM   #61 
     - I don't know if this is EXACTLY how it's done there  XemaSab   Nov-26-08 11:17 AM   #119 
        - Have you ever worked in a big kitchen before?  kentauros   Nov-26-08 11:35 AM   #124 
        - Hot plates under the trays or warming cushions around the trays.  JDPriestly   Nov-26-08 10:56 PM   #169 
        - One thing to remember:  XemaSab   Nov-26-08 11:38 PM   #170 
        - They manage it in hospitals.  JDPriestly   Nov-28-08 01:18 AM   #195 
  - Good  gravity   Nov-25-08 10:16 PM   #14 
  - Don't go visit 'em either?  pocoloco   Nov-25-08 10:32 PM   #23 
  - MISLEADING HEADLINE,  elleng   Nov-25-08 10:23 PM   #19 
  - Bwaahahahaa!  Journalgrrl   Nov-25-08 10:58 PM   #33 
  - I always say there's no better way to run a penal system than by personal revenge.  last1standing   Nov-25-08 11:03 PM   #34 
  - oh, there's so much more I would do to him if given the chance,  Journalgrrl   Nov-25-08 11:09 PM   #35 
     - Do you ever think a day will come when you will wish someone cared about you?  last1standing   Nov-25-08 11:12 PM   #39 
     - I can only be as "sensitive" as my own survival allows  Journalgrrl   Nov-25-08 11:21 PM   #44 
        - I hope you get the help you need.  last1standing   Nov-25-08 11:26 PM   #45 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-26-08 12:39 PM   #136 
           - You got that out of my post?  last1standing   Nov-26-08 12:48 PM   #140 
        - just remember,  uncle ray   Nov-26-08 12:14 AM   #50 
        - I actually left on my own...  Journalgrrl   Nov-26-08 12:34 AM   #52 
        - Well...revenge is a dish best served...cold  Sivafae   Nov-26-08 12:47 AM   #55 
        - If you let it turn you into a bitter person who doesn't care about anyone else  Connonym   Nov-26-08 01:54 AM   #63 
     - "Could care less" eh? Well that's good to think you care a tiny bit.  jrockford   Nov-25-08 11:17 PM   #42 
  - I think a lot of people here need to be reminded that prisoners  XemaSab   Nov-26-08 11:24 AM   #121 
  - they're getting more sadistic now  KakistocracyHater   Nov-25-08 11:11 PM   #37 
  - Are you speaking form experience? n/t  peace13   Nov-26-08 09:36 AM   #92 
     - huh  KakistocracyHater   Nov-27-08 12:04 AM   #176 
  - incarceration is THE PENALTY...  islandmkl   Nov-25-08 11:17 PM   #43 
  - what do they care?  trollybob   Nov-25-08 11:37 PM   #48 
  - our military has suffered worse in the field, and yet prisoners try to be coddled. Blah  ksimons   Nov-25-08 11:54 PM   #49 
  - Your reasoning is worthy of the free republic as is your compassion.  jrockford   Nov-26-08 12:31 AM   #51 
  - It a public health issue  junofeb   Nov-26-08 06:17 AM   #79 
  - You don't know shit.  High Plains   Nov-26-08 09:04 AM   #89 
  - Our troops should be treated well and that is not happening  peace13   Nov-26-08 09:40 AM   #93 
  - Wrong  duhneece   Dec-16-08 06:11 PM   #208 
  - Holding food  strategery blunder   Nov-26-08 12:37 AM   #53 
  - If the court does not have the right to enforce the department's  JDPriestly   Nov-26-08 01:14 AM   #59 
  - Hmm...I'm assuming the JD doesn't mean you're a lawyer.  jrockford   Nov-26-08 01:42 AM   #62 
     - You are right about the agency rules -- but agency decisions can be challenged.  JDPriestly   Nov-26-08 10:53 PM   #168 
  - bologna  hbskifreak   Nov-26-08 02:28 AM   #64 
  - What's your opinion on Sheriff Joe? -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-16-08 11:04 AM   #207 
  - Instead of Treating Them with Decency for the First Time in Their Lives...  insidejoke   Nov-26-08 03:47 AM   #70 
  - Good post nt  jrockford   Nov-26-08 07:35 AM   #84 
  - Thank you!  genevat   Nov-26-08 07:59 AM   #85 
  - "The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."  Shoelace   Nov-26-08 11:50 PM   #173 
  - Great article for bringing out the worst in all of us.  truthisfreedom   Nov-26-08 03:51 AM   #71 
  - Not all of us.  Bluebear   Nov-26-08 03:55 AM   #72 
  - Health codes  junofeb   Nov-26-08 06:06 AM   #74 
  - 165 Degrees  Arkplayer   Nov-26-08 08:03 AM   #86 
  - Common sense!  XemaSab   Nov-26-08 11:34 AM   #123 
  - OK  junofeb   Nov-26-08 12:06 PM   #130 
  - See my post about holding food upthread.  strategery blunder   Nov-26-08 01:46 PM   #141 
  - Many restaurants serve cold sandwiches  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-27-08 10:55 PM   #193 
  - The original point of a prison was self betterment - what happened to rehabilitation?  comtec   Nov-26-08 06:39 AM   #81 
  - Short-timers are not held in this unit at Pelican Bay  XemaSab   Nov-26-08 11:38 AM   #125 
     - well then, nvm :)  comtec   Nov-27-08 02:06 AM   #178 
  - People who have never been in prison have no idea of the importance  hedgehog   Nov-26-08 08:26 AM   #88 
  - The core problem is there are too many people in prison who don't belong there  slackmaster   Nov-26-08 09:59 AM   #98 
  - They should never have a TV, let alone cable TV. The system is to soft, IMHO.  sarcasmo   Nov-26-08 11:17 AM   #120 
  - You are full of shit, and don't know what the fuck you are talking about!  ThePowerofWill   Nov-27-08 09:16 AM   #184 
  - And after the first couple of prison riots, what then?  jmowreader   Nov-26-08 11:44 AM   #126 
  - Look, prison is way to soft. I had a person in my taxi once tell me they missed jail.  sarcasmo   Nov-26-08 04:06 PM   #144 
  - Private prison companies cutting corners to try to make a fast buck. (nt)  w4rma   Nov-26-08 12:41 PM   #138 
  - How many prison riots started becaue the food was too good?  LeftHander   Nov-26-08 12:45 PM   #139 
  - Human beings should be treated humanely.  baldguy   Nov-26-08 03:43 PM   #142 
  - Even those who wantonly treated others inhumanely in the first place?  HypnoToad   Nov-26-08 04:31 PM   #150 
     - How a society treats its lowest members says a lot about it..  baldguy   Nov-26-08 05:54 PM   #158 
  - some of the remarks in this thread leave me speechless...  mikita   Nov-26-08 03:54 PM   #143 
  - As antisocial as I can be toward people,  Jamastiene   Nov-26-08 04:13 PM   #145 
  - Decent food, I'll agree.  HypnoToad   Nov-26-08 04:32 PM   #151 
  - How about 'too hot'? Keep them in the microwave for 20 minutes... that'll be hot.  HypnoToad   Nov-26-08 04:30 PM   #149 
  - As Doestoyevsky said, you can see how advanced a society is by looking at their prisions.  superconnected   Nov-26-08 04:43 PM   #152 
  - US Constitution - no cruel or unusual punishment.  wroberts189   Nov-26-08 05:05 PM   #154 
  - Give me a break.  totodeinhere   Nov-26-08 05:19 PM   #156 
     - Torture may be too strong but it is cruel.  last1standing   Nov-26-08 05:33 PM   #157 
  - Safe Food Rules..  zelta gaisma   Nov-26-08 06:26 PM   #160 
  - Wow, I thought I was on Free Republic for a moment,  RetroLounge   Nov-26-08 09:28 PM   #165 
  - Not to seem insensitive  np33   Nov-26-08 10:02 PM   #166 
     - I'm ok with giving death row imates bread and water once a day....unless they really are innocent  ohio2007   Nov-26-08 10:20 PM   #167 
        - Someone close to me, who spent time in prison...  JDwho   Nov-26-08 11:55 PM   #174 
  - Cold food means it was sitting around for awhile  Kurska   Nov-26-08 11:49 PM   #172 
  - Pelican Bay  Arkplayer   Nov-27-08 12:38 AM   #177 
  - The suit was pretty obviously about ...  Piewhacket   Nov-27-08 09:24 AM   #185 
     - The suit  Arkplayer   Nov-27-08 07:18 PM   #191 
        - Glad to agree...  Piewhacket   Nov-28-08 12:20 AM   #194 
           - Reasonable  Arkplayer   Nov-28-08 10:31 PM   #200 
              - Reasonable people think its a 'crock'.  Piewhacket   Nov-29-08 02:59 AM   #201 
  - There's more here than meets the eye  MontyZuma   Nov-27-08 04:13 AM   #180 
  - This thread is sad  Bragi   Nov-27-08 09:01 AM   #183 
  - Yes, many Americans are shamed by our criminal justice system...  Piewhacket   Nov-27-08 09:48 AM   #187 
     - You wrote:  Bragi   Nov-27-08 10:08 AM   #189 
        - The economy collapses..  Piewhacket   Nov-27-08 12:18 PM   #190 
  - deleted by author  Bragi   Nov-27-08 09:25 AM   #186 
  - Prison should be an unpleasant place prisoners do not want to return to  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-27-08 10:47 PM   #192 
  - they live better then most third world citizens. they should be thankful for that......  ohio2007   Nov-28-08 10:21 AM   #197 
     - you're joking.... is that how they do it in ohio?  Piewhacket   Nov-28-08 12:16 PM   #199 
        - Are you actually that clueless  ohio2007   Nov-29-08 02:15 PM   #202 
  - I guess some people on this thread just don't get the concept of human rights  Flagg   Nov-28-08 12:13 PM   #198 
     - Human rights?  ohio2007   Nov-29-08 02:29 PM   #203 
        - You persist...  Piewhacket   Nov-29-08 05:51 PM   #204 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-30-08 03:59 PM   #206 

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