| 25. If stale bread and warm water works for you then feel free to eat it. |
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However, when anyone, regardless of situation, lands in the custody of the state or fed, they should be provided basic, nourishing sustenance that includes hot, not 'warm', meals. This is what is supposed to separate us from those who do not value human life. If you don't agree with that, its certainly your right. I guess everybody needs to hate someone.  |
| -Prisoners have no right to hot meals, appeal court says |
Newsjock |
Nov-25-08 09:46 PM |
#0 |
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Poor friggin' babies want to be spoon fed TOO? |
Double T |
Nov-25-08 09:53 PM |
#1 |
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My Ruthug friend doesn't think the Red Cross should serve hot meals either. |
peace13 |
Nov-25-08 09:55 PM |
#2 |
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'warm' is close enough to 'hot'. |
Double T |
Nov-25-08 10:07 PM |
#7 |
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It isn't "coddling" prisoners, but yeah your impassionate attitude |
jrockford |
Nov-25-08 10:11 PM |
#10 |
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So not serving criminals three hot meals a day is stripping them of their dignity? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-26-08 02:59 AM |
#66 |
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No, but saying they deserve just bread and water is. Which is in what that was a response too. nt |
jrockford |
Nov-26-08 03:28 AM |
#68 |
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Just making sure. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-26-08 03:36 AM |
#69 |
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Wake Up...... |
VeraAgnes |
Nov-26-08 06:17 AM |
#80 |
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I don't recall saying nursing home care is passionate and selfless either. huh. nt |
jrockford |
Nov-26-08 07:29 AM |
#82 |
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Hi there, posting from work! |
Chulanowa |
Nov-26-08 08:46 PM |
#163 |
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the issue is responsibility |
amdezurik |
Nov-25-08 10:23 PM |
#18 |
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No it has to do with an underlying respect for all humans. |
peace13 |
Nov-26-08 09:35 AM |
#91 |
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You seem very cruel. Prisoners are people. But besides that, warm food induces both a |
zonkers |
Nov-26-08 10:11 AM |
#100 |
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When the food that is prepared "hot" and is "luke warm" or cold |
merh |
Nov-30-08 02:41 PM |
#205 |
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Your post leads me to believe one of three things. |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 09:58 PM |
#4 |
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Amazing how the LOVE flows around here |
saigon68 |
Nov-25-08 10:10 PM |
#8 |
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Well said. |
jrockford |
Nov-25-08 10:10 PM |
#9 |
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I'm a recent repeat offender of cell phone use while driving, failure to wear a seatbelt while...... |
Double T |
Nov-25-08 10:17 PM |
#16 |
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What's pathetic is that it had to be taken to court in the first place. |
Dr.Phool |
Nov-25-08 10:31 PM |
#22 |
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What are the temperature regulations for a bologna sandwich? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Nov-26-08 03:00 AM |
#67 |
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The same as for any food consumed by humans: |
kentauros |
Nov-26-08 09:55 AM |
#94 |
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I doubt it takes four hours for the food to get from the kitchen to the cells |
XemaSab |
Nov-26-08 11:04 AM |
#113 |
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Notice the word "cumulative". |
kentauros |
Nov-26-08 11:14 AM |
#117 |
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It doesn't but... |
Chan790 |
Nov-27-08 10:03 AM |
#188 |
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If stale bread and warm water works for you then feel free to eat it. |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 10:35 PM |
#25 |
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I'll bet no one died from 'it' and no one even got sick either. |
Double T |
Nov-25-08 10:49 PM |
#31 |
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So your mindset is we should wait till someone does die. Gotcha. |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 10:52 PM |
#32 |
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a recent report stated that 1 out of every 100 people has sociopathic tendancies... |
Javaman |
Nov-26-08 09:57 AM |
#97 |
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That's the same reasoning... |
snake in the grass |
Nov-26-08 12:50 AM |
#58 |
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From food poisoning? |
kgfnally |
Nov-26-08 05:13 PM |
#155 |
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You are mistaken. |
Piewhacket |
Nov-27-08 12:03 AM |
#175 |
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You can just bond-out. |
VeraAgnes |
Nov-26-08 10:25 AM |
#106 |
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Or you are a CINO, Christian In Name Only. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-26-08 09:10 AM |
#90 |
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no I am not. |
VeraAgnes |
Nov-26-08 10:58 AM |
#112 |
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We're talking prison, not jail |
XemaSab |
Nov-26-08 11:07 AM |
#114 |
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They're still human beings. |
last1standing |
Nov-26-08 12:35 PM |
#134 |
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Thank You. |
MontyZuma |
Nov-27-08 04:36 AM |
#182 |
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If you are in Pelican Bay |
Supply Side Jesus |
Nov-28-08 03:42 AM |
#196 |
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Amnesty International has had to campaign for the abuse of people in our prision systems |
debbierlus |
Nov-25-08 10:47 PM |
#29 |
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Yeah, thanks to heartless pricks like the guy above. |
Zhade |
Nov-26-08 12:47 AM |
#56 |
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Well said!!! It freaks me out that any one would agree with inhumane treatment. |
JDwho |
Nov-26-08 04:18 PM |
#146 |
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Agreed, debbierlus. Well said. n/t |
Laelth |
Nov-26-08 06:33 PM |
#161 |
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My oh my, I have republican friends with more compassion than you. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-25-08 11:26 PM |
#46 |
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I am with the OP on this. |
VeraAgnes |
Nov-26-08 10:23 AM |
#105 |
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We have more people in prison than anywhere else in the world. The majority of prisoners are in for |
rhett o rick |
Nov-26-08 10:38 AM |
#109 |
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They have it nice............I find their care amazingly humane as well. |
VeraAgnes |
Nov-26-08 10:57 AM |
#111 |
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I'm guessing you have never done time. Or are you speaking from experience? |
Just A Yeller Dawg |
Nov-26-08 06:16 PM |
#159 |
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If even one has promise, then it's worth the time and effort |
kentauros |
Nov-26-08 10:51 AM |
#110 |
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I'll Let my Brother Know That |
fascisthunter |
Nov-26-08 11:52 AM |
#128 |
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Let me guess |
Chulanowa |
Nov-26-08 08:52 PM |
#164 |
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I'm sure you know all about viciousness VeraAgnes |
MontyZuma |
Nov-27-08 04:34 AM |
#181 |
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So all those nonviolent drug offenders who never harmed others - fuck them too? |
Zhade |
Nov-26-08 12:46 AM |
#54 |
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Clever retort, very clever. PART OF ANY PRISON IS MEANT TO |
acmavm |
Nov-26-08 04:44 AM |
#73 |
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They can use a microwave, get commissary etc... |
VeraAgnes |
Nov-26-08 06:15 AM |
#78 |
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Again, one has nothing to do with the other...two separate problems. |
jrockford |
Nov-26-08 07:31 AM |
#83 |
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Are you an inmate lover? |
VeraAgnes |
Nov-26-08 09:55 AM |
#95 |
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I challenge you to listen to the following show, and not get choked up: |
kentauros |
Nov-26-08 10:05 AM |
#99 |
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I'm very sure I would not choke-up over an inmate. |
VeraAgnes |
Nov-26-08 10:17 AM |
#102 |
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I guess it takes a heart to care for your fellow human beings, no matter what their circumstances. |
kentauros |
Nov-26-08 10:29 AM |
#107 |
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"inmate lover" |
kgfnally |
Nov-26-08 12:24 PM |
#131 |
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"inmate lover"? Interesting choice of words there. |
last1standing |
Nov-26-08 12:27 PM |
#133 |
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I challenge you to make a visit to your local county lock-up and then |
hedgehog |
Nov-26-08 08:21 AM |
#87 |
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Inmates are assholes. |
VeraAgnes |
Nov-26-08 09:57 AM |
#96 |
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The alternative is that not attempting to rehabilitate, such that |
kentauros |
Nov-26-08 10:11 AM |
#101 |
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There is not enough money, personnel or time to fix them. |
VeraAgnes |
Nov-26-08 10:20 AM |
#103 |
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If there's enough money to bail out those criminals at the top |
kentauros |
Nov-26-08 10:33 AM |
#108 |
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There's definitely a lost soul in all of this. |
last1standing |
Nov-26-08 12:37 PM |
#135 |
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you have to admit a large percentage enjoys the criminal lifestyle. |
okieinpain |
Nov-26-08 11:48 AM |
#127 |
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I think you've watch "Bonnie & Clyde" too many times. |
last1standing |
Nov-26-08 12:41 PM |
#137 |
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Logically |
RattusRattus |
Nov-26-08 12:27 PM |
#132 |
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Does that include Guantanamo inmates? Or just all others...jeez |
JDwho |
Nov-26-08 04:20 PM |
#147 |
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Prison guards are much worse.... |
LeftofU |
Nov-26-08 07:13 PM |
#162 |
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Hey, what goes around comes around. |
MontyZuma |
Nov-27-08 03:12 AM |
#179 |
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He certainly wasn't coddled... |
LanternWaste |
Nov-26-08 11:13 AM |
#116 |
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You obviously know nothing about |
pipoman |
Nov-26-08 04:48 PM |
#153 |
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Wow...Adopt a pet but FUCK the humans? Nice priorities pal... |
truebrit71 |
Nov-26-08 12:02 PM |
#129 |
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Bread and water will not sustain them well |
Truth Teller |
Dec-16-08 08:26 PM |
#209 |
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I can't even remember when I had 2 hot meals a day. |
Fed_Up_Grammy |
Nov-25-08 09:57 PM |
#3 |
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Is that by choice or necessity? |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 09:59 PM |
#5 |
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By choice. I assume most folks have a quick,cold breakfast or |
Fed_Up_Grammy |
Nov-25-08 10:04 PM |
#6 |
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I think you missed the point... |
jrockford |
Nov-25-08 10:12 PM |
#11 |
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Why on earth would that choice even be necessary? |
Fed_Up_Grammy |
Nov-25-08 10:17 PM |
#15 |
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and when the Innocence Project |
amdezurik |
Nov-25-08 10:25 PM |
#20 |
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Where on earth did THAT come from? We were talking about |
Fed_Up_Grammy |
Nov-25-08 10:27 PM |
#21 |
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no we are talking about treating prisoners humanely |
amdezurik |
Nov-26-08 11:25 AM |
#122 |
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Would you want to eat cold 'mystery meat'? |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 10:41 PM |
#27 |
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thankyou last1standing! |
Maine-ah |
Nov-25-08 11:11 PM |
#38 |
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You assume they would bother to send them to the medical clinic. |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 11:16 PM |
#41 |
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165 degrees. |
junofeb |
Nov-26-08 06:10 AM |
#75 |
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they don't get good medical care when they get sick, at least not in FL. |
Shoelace |
Nov-26-08 11:45 PM |
#171 |
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The ambient air temperature there is often 50 degrees or colder |
XemaSab |
Nov-26-08 11:13 AM |
#115 |
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And, according to Food Safety personnel |
kentauros |
Nov-26-08 11:17 AM |
#118 |
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Yeah you did miss the point.. |
jrockford |
Nov-25-08 11:10 PM |
#36 |
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Not extended to prisoners.... |
WillBowden |
Nov-25-08 10:40 PM |
#26 |
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You should look at prison statistics sometime. |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 10:47 PM |
#30 |
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Health codes encompass all public venues. |
junofeb |
Nov-26-08 06:11 AM |
#76 |
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Let 'em eat cake |
Dirigo |
Nov-25-08 10:13 PM |
#12 |
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Typical conservative thinking - wow, haha our servicemen blah blah blah |
jrockford |
Nov-25-08 11:14 PM |
#40 |
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Curious, are you a Christian?? You sound like a republican. No offense. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-25-08 11:30 PM |
#47 |
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Sounds like a lot of christians, too. |
Zhade |
Nov-26-08 12:49 AM |
#57 |
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which is unsurprising, |
Bill McBlueState |
Nov-26-08 10:20 AM |
#104 |
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That's not the issue. The issue is whether the prison management |
JDPriestly |
Nov-26-08 01:18 AM |
#60 |
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Whoa |
junofeb |
Nov-26-08 06:12 AM |
#77 |
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Did you take a wrong turn at Albuquerque? |
Jamastiene |
Nov-26-08 04:22 PM |
#148 |
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Having the ability to choose what you'd like to eat each day is nice, isn't it? |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 10:45 PM |
#28 |
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Why would the food have to be hot or cooked? |
FarCenter |
Nov-25-08 10:16 PM |
#13 |
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Interesting. I read an article recently that said human's brains evolved |
Doremus |
Nov-25-08 10:21 PM |
#17 |
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Possibly true, but |
FarCenter |
Nov-25-08 10:34 PM |
#24 |
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What about the Aquatic Ape Theory (AAT)? |
ngant17 |
Nov-26-08 02:54 AM |
#65 |
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That's not what the court was deciding. Whether the hot food |
JDPriestly |
Nov-26-08 01:23 AM |
#61 |
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I don't know if this is EXACTLY how it's done there |
XemaSab |
Nov-26-08 11:17 AM |
#119 |
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Have you ever worked in a big kitchen before? |
kentauros |
Nov-26-08 11:35 AM |
#124 |
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Hot plates under the trays or warming cushions around the trays. |
JDPriestly |
Nov-26-08 10:56 PM |
#169 |
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One thing to remember: |
XemaSab |
Nov-26-08 11:38 PM |
#170 |
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They manage it in hospitals. |
JDPriestly |
Nov-28-08 01:18 AM |
#195 |
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Good |
gravity |
Nov-25-08 10:16 PM |
#14 |
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Don't go visit 'em either? |
pocoloco |
Nov-25-08 10:32 PM |
#23 |
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MISLEADING HEADLINE, |
elleng |
Nov-25-08 10:23 PM |
#19 |
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Bwaahahahaa! |
Journalgrrl |
Nov-25-08 10:58 PM |
#33 |
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I always say there's no better way to run a penal system than by personal revenge. |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 11:03 PM |
#34 |
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oh, there's so much more I would do to him if given the chance, |
Journalgrrl |
Nov-25-08 11:09 PM |
#35 |
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Do you ever think a day will come when you will wish someone cared about you? |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 11:12 PM |
#39 |
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I can only be as "sensitive" as my own survival allows |
Journalgrrl |
Nov-25-08 11:21 PM |
#44 |
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I hope you get the help you need. |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 11:26 PM |
#45 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-26-08 12:39 PM |
#136 |
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You got that out of my post? |
last1standing |
Nov-26-08 12:48 PM |
#140 |
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just remember, |
uncle ray |
Nov-26-08 12:14 AM |
#50 |
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I actually left on my own... |
Journalgrrl |
Nov-26-08 12:34 AM |
#52 |
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Well...revenge is a dish best served...cold |
Sivafae |
Nov-26-08 12:47 AM |
#55 |
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If you let it turn you into a bitter person who doesn't care about anyone else |
Connonym |
Nov-26-08 01:54 AM |
#63 |
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"Could care less" eh? Well that's good to think you care a tiny bit. |
jrockford |
Nov-25-08 11:17 PM |
#42 |
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I think a lot of people here need to be reminded that prisoners |
XemaSab |
Nov-26-08 11:24 AM |
#121 |
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they're getting more sadistic now |
KakistocracyHater |
Nov-25-08 11:11 PM |
#37 |
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Are you speaking form experience? n/t |
peace13 |
Nov-26-08 09:36 AM |
#92 |
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huh |
KakistocracyHater |
Nov-27-08 12:04 AM |
#176 |
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incarceration is THE PENALTY... |
islandmkl |
Nov-25-08 11:17 PM |
#43 |
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what do they care? |
trollybob |
Nov-25-08 11:37 PM |
#48 |
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our military has suffered worse in the field, and yet prisoners try to be coddled. Blah |
ksimons |
Nov-25-08 11:54 PM |
#49 |
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Your reasoning is worthy of the free republic as is your compassion. |
jrockford |
Nov-26-08 12:31 AM |
#51 |
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It a public health issue |
junofeb |
Nov-26-08 06:17 AM |
#79 |
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You don't know shit. |
High Plains |
Nov-26-08 09:04 AM |
#89 |
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Our troops should be treated well and that is not happening |
peace13 |
Nov-26-08 09:40 AM |
#93 |
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Wrong |
duhneece |
Dec-16-08 06:11 PM |
#208 |
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Holding food |
strategery blunder |
Nov-26-08 12:37 AM |
#53 |
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If the court does not have the right to enforce the department's |
JDPriestly |
Nov-26-08 01:14 AM |
#59 |
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Hmm...I'm assuming the JD doesn't mean you're a lawyer. |
jrockford |
Nov-26-08 01:42 AM |
#62 |
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You are right about the agency rules -- but agency decisions can be challenged. |
JDPriestly |
Nov-26-08 10:53 PM |
#168 |
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bologna |
hbskifreak |
Nov-26-08 02:28 AM |
#64 |
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What's your opinion on Sheriff Joe? -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-16-08 11:04 AM |
#207 |
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Instead of Treating Them with Decency for the First Time in Their Lives... |
insidejoke |
Nov-26-08 03:47 AM |
#70 |
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Good post nt |
jrockford |
Nov-26-08 07:35 AM |
#84 |
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Thank you! |
genevat |
Nov-26-08 07:59 AM |
#85 |
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"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons." |
Shoelace |
Nov-26-08 11:50 PM |
#173 |
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Great article for bringing out the worst in all of us. |
truthisfreedom |
Nov-26-08 03:51 AM |
#71 |
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Not all of us. |
Bluebear |
Nov-26-08 03:55 AM |
#72 |
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Health codes |
junofeb |
Nov-26-08 06:06 AM |
#74 |
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165 Degrees |
Arkplayer |
Nov-26-08 08:03 AM |
#86 |
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Common sense! |
XemaSab |
Nov-26-08 11:34 AM |
#123 |
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OK |
junofeb |
Nov-26-08 12:06 PM |
#130 |
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See my post about holding food upthread. |
strategery blunder |
Nov-26-08 01:46 PM |
#141 |
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Many restaurants serve cold sandwiches |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-27-08 10:55 PM |
#193 |
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The original point of a prison was self betterment - what happened to rehabilitation? |
comtec |
Nov-26-08 06:39 AM |
#81 |
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Short-timers are not held in this unit at Pelican Bay |
XemaSab |
Nov-26-08 11:38 AM |
#125 |
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well then, nvm :) |
comtec |
Nov-27-08 02:06 AM |
#178 |
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People who have never been in prison have no idea of the importance |
hedgehog |
Nov-26-08 08:26 AM |
#88 |
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The core problem is there are too many people in prison who don't belong there |
slackmaster |
Nov-26-08 09:59 AM |
#98 |
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They should never have a TV, let alone cable TV. The system is to soft, IMHO. |
sarcasmo |
Nov-26-08 11:17 AM |
#120 |
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You are full of shit, and don't know what the fuck you are talking about! |
ThePowerofWill |
Nov-27-08 09:16 AM |
#184 |
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And after the first couple of prison riots, what then? |
jmowreader |
Nov-26-08 11:44 AM |
#126 |
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Look, prison is way to soft. I had a person in my taxi once tell me they missed jail. |
sarcasmo |
Nov-26-08 04:06 PM |
#144 |
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Private prison companies cutting corners to try to make a fast buck. (nt) |
w4rma |
Nov-26-08 12:41 PM |
#138 |
| -
How many prison riots started becaue the food was too good? |
LeftHander |
Nov-26-08 12:45 PM |
#139 |
| -
Human beings should be treated humanely. |
baldguy |
Nov-26-08 03:43 PM |
#142 |
| -
Even those who wantonly treated others inhumanely in the first place? |
HypnoToad |
Nov-26-08 04:31 PM |
#150 |
| -
How a society treats its lowest members says a lot about it.. |
baldguy |
Nov-26-08 05:54 PM |
#158 |
| -
some of the remarks in this thread leave me speechless... |
mikita |
Nov-26-08 03:54 PM |
#143 |
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As antisocial as I can be toward people, |
Jamastiene |
Nov-26-08 04:13 PM |
#145 |
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Decent food, I'll agree. |
HypnoToad |
Nov-26-08 04:32 PM |
#151 |
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How about 'too hot'? Keep them in the microwave for 20 minutes... that'll be hot. |
HypnoToad |
Nov-26-08 04:30 PM |
#149 |
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As Doestoyevsky said, you can see how advanced a society is by looking at their prisions. |
superconnected |
Nov-26-08 04:43 PM |
#152 |
| -
US Constitution - no cruel or unusual punishment. |
wroberts189 |
Nov-26-08 05:05 PM |
#154 |
| -
Give me a break. |
totodeinhere |
Nov-26-08 05:19 PM |
#156 |
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Torture may be too strong but it is cruel. |
last1standing |
Nov-26-08 05:33 PM |
#157 |
| -
Safe Food Rules.. |
zelta gaisma |
Nov-26-08 06:26 PM |
#160 |
| -
Wow, I thought I was on Free Republic for a moment, |
RetroLounge |
Nov-26-08 09:28 PM |
#165 |
| -
Not to seem insensitive |
np33 |
Nov-26-08 10:02 PM |
#166 |
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I'm ok with giving death row imates bread and water once a day....unless they really are innocent |
ohio2007 |
Nov-26-08 10:20 PM |
#167 |
| -
Someone close to me, who spent time in prison... |
JDwho |
Nov-26-08 11:55 PM |
#174 |
| -
Cold food means it was sitting around for awhile |
Kurska |
Nov-26-08 11:49 PM |
#172 |
| -
Pelican Bay |
Arkplayer |
Nov-27-08 12:38 AM |
#177 |
| -
The suit was pretty obviously about ... |
Piewhacket |
Nov-27-08 09:24 AM |
#185 |
| -
The suit |
Arkplayer |
Nov-27-08 07:18 PM |
#191 |
| -
Glad to agree... |
Piewhacket |
Nov-28-08 12:20 AM |
#194 |
| -
Reasonable |
Arkplayer |
Nov-28-08 10:31 PM |
#200 |
| -
Reasonable people think its a 'crock'. |
Piewhacket |
Nov-29-08 02:59 AM |
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There's more here than meets the eye |
MontyZuma |
Nov-27-08 04:13 AM |
#180 |
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This thread is sad |
Bragi |
Nov-27-08 09:01 AM |
#183 |
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Yes, many Americans are shamed by our criminal justice system... |
Piewhacket |
Nov-27-08 09:48 AM |
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You wrote: |
Bragi |
Nov-27-08 10:08 AM |
#189 |
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The economy collapses.. |
Piewhacket |
Nov-27-08 12:18 PM |
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Bragi |
Nov-27-08 09:25 AM |
#186 |
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Prison should be an unpleasant place prisoners do not want to return to |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-27-08 10:47 PM |
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they live better then most third world citizens. they should be thankful for that...... |
ohio2007 |
Nov-28-08 10:21 AM |
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you're joking.... is that how they do it in ohio? |
Piewhacket |
Nov-28-08 12:16 PM |
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Are you actually that clueless |
ohio2007 |
Nov-29-08 02:15 PM |
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I guess some people on this thread just don't get the concept of human rights |
Flagg |
Nov-28-08 12:13 PM |
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Human rights? |
ohio2007 |
Nov-29-08 02:29 PM |
#203 |
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You persist... |
Piewhacket |
Nov-29-08 05:51 PM |
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Nov-30-08 03:59 PM |
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