| 154. There are such things as Thermal Drift |
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Thermal Drift is when electrical components change in Resistance, Capacitance and Impedance when they heat or cool. It can cause electrical signals to shift around, and this is certainly true with a touch screen.
A good example is a device called a Thermistor, which changes it's resistance in a precise manner depending on temperature. The resistance chance so precise and predictable, that it is used in digital thermometers. Regular resistors are not supposed to do this, but they can. In fact, nearly everything can drift given differing heat. It can be acceptable in some applications, unacceptable in others.
An example is when a machine is cold and turned on. It is then calibrated by clicking 4 check boxes in various parts of the screen. This "Sets" the coordinates for the Chip that translates impulse to Logical Coordinates.
As the device warms up, the electrical impulses may "Drift", and if the Drift is significant, the Logical Coordinates derived from the electrical impulses could be considerably different than the one detected when the machine was cold. This is a Normal, Documented effect present in ALL electronic devices.
The machine just needs to recalibrated to the new coordinates, but you can assume that the Polling workers don't even think about the possibility of Thermal Drift, or they have been explicitly not told about it.
As a Software and Electrical Engineer, I would never ever ever use an Electronic Voting machine unless it gave me a receipt.
These things are manufactured like Consumer Items and are not subjected to any rigorous testing or manufacturing standards for Software or Electrical components.
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| -Some early W.Va. voters angry over switched votes |
faygokid |
Oct-18-08 09:59 AM |
#0 |
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So what did she finally do about it? |
goclark |
Oct-18-08 10:04 AM |
#1 |
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or there were no paper ballots available. |
xxqqqzme |
Oct-18-08 01:00 PM |
#111 |
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Great idea! |
goclark |
Oct-18-08 01:40 PM |
#122 |
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Paper ballots.. |
djp2 |
Oct-18-08 02:30 PM |
#132 |
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We have to demand paper ballots and discourage early voting |
annunakigohome |
Oct-18-08 05:19 PM |
#166 |
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The issue the becomes this; Will Virginia Matheney and Calvin Thomas attempt to vote on Nov 4rth ? |
ohio2007 |
Oct-18-08 08:21 PM |
#178 |
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the positives of early voting |
marions ghost |
Oct-19-08 08:57 AM |
#204 |
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If tihs happens to me here in WV, I may go to jail for causing a disturbance. |
skypuddle |
Oct-18-08 10:04 AM |
#2 |
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This is one thing I would willingly go to jail for |
MaineDem |
Oct-18-08 10:15 AM |
#15 |
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DUer galloglas will give you moral support |
proud2Blib |
Oct-18-08 11:34 AM |
#72 |
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TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEO!!! |
felinetta |
Oct-18-08 01:11 PM |
#115 |
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In CO, electronic devices are not allowed to be used in the polling place. |
CrispyQGirl |
Oct-18-08 02:58 PM |
#138 |
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Thats because the machines are wide open to hacking from a simple cell phone.. |
Grinchie |
Oct-18-08 03:37 PM |
#146 |
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exactly right |
jules1962 |
Oct-19-08 01:48 AM |
#198 |
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TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEO!!! |
felinetta |
Oct-18-08 01:12 PM |
#116 |
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They only had eight years to come up with a an accurate voting machine. |
gateley |
Oct-18-08 10:04 AM |
#3 |
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There isn't any such thing, and never will be. |
lapfog_1 |
Oct-18-08 10:10 AM |
#10 |
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Well, it IS doable |
kgfnally |
Oct-18-08 11:00 AM |
#46 |
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Sorry, There isn't an "open source" |
lapfog_1 |
Oct-18-08 11:17 AM |
#61 |
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Diebold makes bank machines that count accurately because the banks demand that. |
yardwork |
Oct-18-08 11:38 AM |
#74 |
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Sure, machines that aren't falsely programmed, |
lapfog_1 |
Oct-18-08 02:06 PM |
#126 |
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That's because it is in the bank's interest to count accurately |
MindMatter |
Oct-18-08 05:29 PM |
#167 |
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YES |
marions ghost |
Oct-19-08 10:03 AM |
#206 |
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Receipt!! Inconceivable! |
Grinchie |
Oct-18-08 03:48 PM |
#148 |
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I have a a low-tech solution. |
gateley |
Oct-18-08 12:36 PM |
#102 |
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I don't like it. |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-18-08 12:46 PM |
#107 |
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If you are afraid to let others know how you voted |
Grinchie |
Oct-18-08 03:51 PM |
#149 |
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"you obviously are living in fear" |
awoke_in_2003 |
Oct-18-08 05:11 PM |
#164 |
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fine |
ldf |
Oct-18-08 06:23 PM |
#173 |
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I was't whining... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Oct-18-08 06:36 PM |
#174 |
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Nonsense. The founding principle was the vote - period. Nothing |
NCevilDUer |
Oct-18-08 10:40 PM |
#186 |
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Let the vote selling begin! |
ret5hd |
Oct-18-08 07:44 PM |
#177 |
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Tell that to the people of Zimbabwe who were not allowed to vote their conscience for 30 years |
ohio2007 |
Oct-18-08 08:34 PM |
#180 |
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THIS I like. Carbon is old-school but surely |
demokatgurrl |
Oct-18-08 01:09 PM |
#114 |
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You're right -- I meant carbonless. The goal being an exact duplicate, complete |
gateley |
Oct-18-08 02:31 PM |
#133 |
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You combine that with transparent counting at the precinct level and we have a deal! |
Doremus |
Oct-18-08 02:37 PM |
#136 |
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I would change one thing... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Oct-18-08 05:10 PM |
#163 |
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This is the place! |
no1dolo |
Oct-18-08 01:34 PM |
#121 |
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They used a punch paper/card system. |
lapfog_1 |
Oct-18-08 02:04 PM |
#125 |
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It's not voter fraud, it's election fraud ... |
aggiesal |
Oct-18-08 02:20 PM |
#128 |
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Repuke county clerk blames the voters. Of course. |
faygokid |
Oct-18-08 10:12 AM |
#11 |
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I wonder what happened to the votes when they recalibrated the machines? |
yardwork |
Oct-18-08 11:38 AM |
#76 |
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Because if You Touch the Machine ANYWHERE ELSE it Votes Republican |
AndyTiedye |
Oct-18-08 12:22 PM |
#100 |
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Oh, but the Repugs are the *populist* party, don'cha know? |
last_texas_dem |
Oct-18-08 04:55 PM |
#160 |
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K&R n/t |
emulatorloo |
Oct-18-08 10:04 AM |
#4 |
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Oh, fuck. |
Walter Sobchak |
Oct-18-08 10:05 AM |
#5 |
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We can work on it |
Heather MC |
Oct-18-08 12:13 PM |
#95 |
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Waybright blamed the problem on voters. |
varelse |
Oct-18-08 10:07 AM |
#6 |
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"recalibrate" |
formercia |
Oct-18-08 10:08 AM |
#7 |
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That sounds like an on-the-fly software change, eh? |
bemildred |
Oct-18-08 10:12 AM |
#12 |
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Don't know if this in the political vids, but |
Delphinus |
Oct-18-08 10:45 AM |
#37 |
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There are such things as Thermal Drift |
Grinchie |
Oct-18-08 04:11 PM |
#154 |
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Elections using receipts will be influenced by vote buying, so Electronic Voting machines are out.nt |
w4rma |
Oct-18-08 09:15 PM |
#183 |
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"these machines have too many analog adjustment mechanisms" |
awoke_in_2003 |
Oct-18-08 05:17 PM |
#165 |
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Ass Wipes |
tazkcmo |
Oct-18-08 10:09 AM |
#8 |
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Most of them? What a half-a answer. All votes must be correct! |
The Wielding Truth |
Oct-18-08 11:22 AM |
#64 |
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calibration nonsense |
cvoogt |
Oct-18-08 10:09 AM |
#9 |
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There sure is something to calibrate. |
Wilms |
Oct-18-08 10:14 AM |
#14 |
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Ack! |
Wilms |
Oct-18-08 06:16 PM |
#171 |
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touch screens do need to be calibrated |
onlyadream |
Oct-18-08 10:41 AM |
#31 |
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Calibration is an easily abusable feature. |
backscatter712 |
Oct-18-08 12:16 PM |
#96 |
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The machines appear to be programmed to switch Democratic votes to Republicans. |
yardwork |
Oct-18-08 11:41 AM |
#77 |
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Noooooo! This cannot be happening! |
greenmutha |
Oct-18-08 10:12 AM |
#13 |
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that was funny |
NJCher |
Oct-18-08 02:22 PM |
#129 |
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DUers!!!! PLEASE tell your family and friends and everyone you talk to |
CitizenPatriot |
Oct-18-08 10:17 AM |
#16 |
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Yes |
psomniferum |
Oct-18-08 11:01 AM |
#47 |
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PLEASE make your post an OP. This is up to us. Thanks! |
helderheid |
Oct-18-08 11:28 AM |
#69 |
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I am so angry with BOTH |
RazBerryBeret |
Oct-18-08 10:20 AM |
#17 |
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vote absentee NOW |
Neo |
Oct-18-08 10:27 AM |
#21 |
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Well, some people tried |
kdmorris |
Oct-18-08 11:45 AM |
#78 |
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We have the same type of ballot where I vote in California |
ekwhite |
Oct-18-08 03:30 PM |
#142 |
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This is a remarkable story considering the area it's located in |
Sydnie |
Oct-18-08 10:23 AM |
#18 |
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The nightmare begins all over again. K&R nt |
snappyturtle |
Oct-18-08 10:25 AM |
#19 |
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Funny how I've never had an ATM deliver $1,000 to me while registering it as $10 |
MetaTrope |
Oct-18-08 10:25 AM |
#20 |
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Ya, funny huh? . n/t. |
progressoid |
Oct-18-08 11:05 AM |
#53 |
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That has happened |
eridani |
Oct-19-08 01:43 AM |
#195 |
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too bad dems did nothing to fix this problem in the last 2 years eh? nt |
msongs |
Oct-18-08 10:28 AM |
#22 |
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Too bad Jennifer Brunner.. |
stillcool47 |
Oct-18-08 10:39 AM |
#30 |
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I've had similar problems with ATMs really, not chosing the right account.... |
volatileblob |
Oct-18-08 10:29 AM |
#23 |
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Vote flipping is not a conspiracy.. |
stillcool47 |
Oct-18-08 10:57 AM |
#43 |
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www.votefraud.org |
panzerfaust |
Oct-19-08 07:44 AM |
#201 |
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Maybe we shouldn't have touch screen voting, period. |
yardwork |
Oct-18-08 11:46 AM |
#79 |
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Yes, it can be hacked. |
mantis49 |
Oct-18-08 12:13 PM |
#94 |
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"Hacking Democracy" nt |
amyrose2712 |
Oct-18-08 12:21 PM |
#99 |
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Sure, it can be hacked |
ekwhite |
Oct-18-08 03:36 PM |
#145 |
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It can be hacked. That's why there should be manadatory audits |
eridani |
Oct-19-08 01:44 AM |
#196 |
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yes |
marions ghost |
Oct-19-08 10:12 AM |
#207 |
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If it happens to you and you have a video capable cell phone, RECORD IT. |
dkofos |
Oct-18-08 10:29 AM |
#24 |
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And get jailed for bringing a cell phone to a polling both. Don't be flippant. |
w4rma |
Oct-18-08 09:20 PM |
#184 |
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Funny, that never happens with ATM's |
aasleka |
Oct-18-08 10:30 AM |
#25 |
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yeah really, not even diebold ones. n/t |
iamthebandfanman |
Oct-18-08 11:08 AM |
#55 |
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Where I live in Wisconsin we use optical scan, connect the line by the candidate's name on ballots. |
elocs |
Oct-18-08 10:34 AM |
#26 |
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In Illinois, at least in the county where I vote, |
rebel with a cause |
Oct-18-08 11:21 AM |
#63 |
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The beauty of optical scans is that the paper ballot is retained and can be hand-counted later. |
yardwork |
Oct-18-08 11:49 AM |
#81 |
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That's why I feel good about optical scan. There's a paper trail. nt |
mycritters2 |
Oct-18-08 01:17 PM |
#120 |
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We test our laboratory scales with standard weights every single morning |
eridani |
Oct-19-08 01:46 AM |
#197 |
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Favorite quote. |
stillcool47 |
Oct-18-08 10:35 AM |
#27 |
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Yeah "most", the others just count all the votes for the republicans. n/t |
progressivebydesign |
Oct-18-08 10:45 AM |
#36 |
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"Most voting machines in most counties...." That is utterly surreal! |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Oct-18-08 11:38 AM |
#75 |
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Most voting machines in most counties do work properly, Bailey added |
AlbertCat |
Oct-18-08 12:38 PM |
#104 |
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This is clear and un-refutable evidence of vote tampering and all |
whistle |
Oct-18-08 10:35 AM |
#28 |
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And New York State is in trouble with the Feds for not replacing |
hedgehog |
Oct-18-08 10:36 AM |
#29 |
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I didn't hear that. Did we stop the machines from coming in? |
shadowknows69 |
Oct-18-08 10:48 AM |
#39 |
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I'm not sure if we stopped the machines from coming in so much as it |
hedgehog |
Oct-18-08 10:55 AM |
#41 |
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"Voting Machines Can’t Meet NY Standards in Time for 2009" |
hedgehog |
Oct-18-08 10:59 AM |
#44 |
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Cool, thanks HH |
shadowknows69 |
Oct-18-08 11:08 AM |
#54 |
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"Miscalibrated"? Yeah, that's the ticket. |
aquart |
Oct-18-08 10:41 AM |
#32 |
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Does that even mean anything? |
psomniferum |
Oct-18-08 11:03 AM |
#49 |
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Isn't it amazing |
droidamus2 |
Oct-18-08 10:42 AM |
#33 |
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We need to scrap ALL the machines and go back to paper ballot. |
Frustratedlady |
Oct-18-08 10:43 AM |
#34 |
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Oh fuck. Here we go again! Why is it ALWAYS a mistake in the REPUBS favor??? |
progressivebydesign |
Oct-18-08 10:44 AM |
#35 |
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Because it's no "mistake," and never has been. This is what they have in store for us. |
faygokid |
Oct-18-08 11:03 AM |
#51 |
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And The MSM Will Say It Was Due to the "Bradley Effect" |
AndyTiedye |
Oct-18-08 12:19 PM |
#98 |
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That's what I thought when I saw the articles on the "Bradley Effect" |
ekwhite |
Oct-18-08 03:41 PM |
#147 |
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You never hear ANY problems with people voting the other way. |
New_England_Patriot |
Oct-18-08 11:14 AM |
#58 |
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It's Deliberately Flipping votes for the Republican Party |
fascisthunter |
Oct-18-08 01:16 PM |
#118 |
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stop blaming the dems for this crap |
CitizenPatriot |
Oct-18-08 10:48 AM |
#38 |
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Our machines here in MN are touch screen but they give you a paper |
jwirr |
Oct-18-08 11:16 AM |
#60 |
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I haven't either -- of course, anything is possible |
CitizenPatriot |
Oct-18-08 11:25 AM |
#65 |
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Don't alibi them - the Dems are in it up to their necks |
bean fidhleir |
Oct-18-08 12:10 PM |
#92 |
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OK, like what? |
CitizenPatriot |
Oct-18-08 12:45 PM |
#106 |
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Sorry if I've misinterpreted, but it looks a lot like you're alibi-ing them |
bean fidhleir |
Oct-18-08 02:02 PM |
#123 |
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with what majority? the house? |
CitizenPatriot |
Oct-18-08 03:33 PM |
#144 |
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If the motherfuckers steal this one, a word to all cowards: Get the fuck under your bed! |
lonestarnot |
Oct-18-08 10:49 AM |
#40 |
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The only way McCain can win is by stealing the election |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-18-08 10:56 AM |
#42 |
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FILM it if you can! |
kansasblue |
Oct-18-08 11:00 AM |
#45 |
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Here's how we do it in New York: |
hedgehog |
Oct-18-08 11:02 AM |
#48 |
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For the first time I voted on a machine |
furgee |
Oct-18-08 11:03 AM |
#50 |
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The use of Voter Verified Paper ballot's.. |
stillcool47 |
Oct-18-08 11:10 AM |
#57 |
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Illinois is one of them that has to be verified (paper back up) |
rebel with a cause |
Oct-18-08 11:37 AM |
#73 |
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Touch screen machines have a paper back-up system here in WEST VIRGINIA too . . . |
Petrushka |
Oct-19-08 01:15 AM |
#194 |
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why states use touch screens is beyond me |
iamthebandfanman |
Oct-18-08 11:03 AM |
#52 |
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Republican states and Republican counties use touch screens for one reason. |
yardwork |
Oct-18-08 11:51 AM |
#84 |
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Bingo. nt |
quiet.american |
Oct-18-08 04:58 PM |
#161 |
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repeat performance |
OregonProg |
Oct-18-08 11:10 AM |
#56 |
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Why doesn't it flip republican to democrat then. Why only dem to republican??? |
bjobotts |
Oct-18-08 11:15 AM |
#59 |
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because they can be programmed to flip from Dem to Rep |
CitizenPatriot |
Oct-18-08 11:30 AM |
#70 |
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Is anyone sending this info to Obama headquarters? |
Mari333 |
Oct-18-08 11:17 AM |
#62 |
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let's do it right now!! n/t |
dana_b |
Oct-18-08 11:53 AM |
#88 |
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Myself and quite a few others... |
WyldRogue |
Oct-18-08 11:26 AM |
#66 |
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I predict a close election |
Baby Snooks |
Oct-18-08 11:26 AM |
#67 |
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Why do these glitches always favor Repukes??? |
AllyCat |
Oct-18-08 11:28 AM |
#68 |
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This happened to my husband in the Primary in NJ. |
phillysuse |
Oct-18-08 11:34 AM |
#71 |
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Can you imagine what would happen |
Mz Pip |
Oct-18-08 11:48 AM |
#80 |
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Pen and paper ballots, hand-counted at the precinct, under public observation, totals posted on door |
seafan |
Oct-18-08 11:50 AM |
#82 |
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If you're voting on Ohio |
lizziegrace |
Oct-18-08 11:51 AM |
#83 |
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People need to start bringing vidoe cameras with them when they go to vote. My god, how screwed up |
IsItJustMe |
Oct-18-08 11:51 AM |
#85 |
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This is the real vote theft. Acorn is the distraction. |
yardwork |
Oct-18-08 11:52 AM |
#86 |
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so this is how McCain will "squeak out" his win... |
dana_b |
Oct-18-08 11:53 AM |
#87 |
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Paper ballots |
mayahbird |
Oct-18-08 11:54 AM |
#89 |
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how many fucking times is it going to be "news" when this happens? |
toadzilla |
Oct-18-08 11:54 AM |
#90 |
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This story needs to get out there! |
mantis49 |
Oct-18-08 12:09 PM |
#91 |
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Hey thats how Bush won |
Lifetimedem |
Oct-18-08 12:11 PM |
#93 |
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To hell with those machines! |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Oct-18-08 12:16 PM |
#97 |
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What's bizarre is, if they're going to flip the vote you'd figure they wouldn't display it onscreen |
MetaTrope |
Oct-18-08 12:27 PM |
#101 |
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Why aren't these things in ashes, think "08 T party" |
bagrman |
Oct-18-08 12:37 PM |
#103 |
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West Virginia |
laughingwaters |
Oct-18-08 12:43 PM |
#105 |
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Just to point out the obvious: |
sofa king |
Oct-18-08 12:46 PM |
#108 |
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Nope, ya got it wrong. |
Enthusiast |
Oct-19-08 12:08 AM |
#192 |
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Why the fuck can't we just use paper ballots? |
jimlup |
Oct-18-08 12:58 PM |
#109 |
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I'm sorry but I gotta say it... |
Chimpys_Last_Stand |
Oct-18-08 12:58 PM |
#110 |
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I was gonna say the same. |
offog |
Oct-18-08 04:04 PM |
#152 |
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Not all the time you don't |
eridani |
Oct-19-08 02:03 AM |
#199 |
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Everyone needs to have this phone number when they go |
tsegat01 |
Oct-18-08 01:01 PM |
#112 |
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Same shit. Different election! |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-18-08 01:09 PM |
#113 |
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This is ELECTION FRAUD! |
fascisthunter |
Oct-18-08 01:15 PM |
#117 |
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They are setting us up. I hope people don't turn violent... |
redqueen |
Oct-18-08 01:17 PM |
#119 |
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And for good cause! |
lonestarnot |
Oct-18-08 02:03 PM |
#124 |
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lonestarnot, I have one thing to say andf I will repeat this at the |
Fire1 |
Oct-18-08 06:04 PM |
#170 |
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If this election is stolen, expect to see blood in the streets |
ekwhite |
Oct-18-08 04:01 PM |
#150 |
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It will be our blood, unfortunately. |
Enthusiast |
Oct-19-08 12:14 AM |
#193 |
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Here's a question I NEED answered... |
Liberalatus |
Oct-18-08 02:17 PM |
#127 |
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Yes, in Craven Co NC vote for Bush switched to Kerry |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Oct-18-08 02:31 PM |
#134 |
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Homer Simpson had the same problem: |
Lorien |
Oct-18-08 02:25 PM |
#130 |
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Thanks |
PolyD |
Oct-18-08 02:29 PM |
#131 |
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Isn't it amazing how this always happens to DEMOCRATS only... |
TankLV |
Oct-18-08 02:32 PM |
#135 |
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I just wrote the WV Governor |
O.M.B.inOhio |
Oct-18-08 02:55 PM |
#137 |
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This happened to me in Dallas in 2002 |
desktop |
Oct-18-08 03:00 PM |
#139 |
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One possible algorithm for cheating |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-18-08 03:03 PM |
#140 |
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join the modern world USA |
LiberalLovinLug |
Oct-18-08 03:20 PM |
#141 |
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Sorry, but that system is NOT incorruptible |
ekwhite |
Oct-18-08 04:08 PM |
#153 |
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What if people accidentally bumped into these machines while voting, |
Zorra |
Oct-18-08 03:30 PM |
#143 |
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Ms. Bailey, (my message to Ms. Bailey) |
bkkyosemite |
Oct-18-08 04:03 PM |
#151 |
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Who controls the state of West Virginia? Isn't it that mine owner that had a major accident out west |
LiberalFighter |
Oct-18-08 04:22 PM |
#155 |
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If this election is stolen again |
The Brethren |
Oct-18-08 04:26 PM |
#156 |
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Too bad the dems love them diebold machines |
mdmc |
Oct-18-08 04:36 PM |
#157 |
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It does appear |
elleng |
Oct-18-08 06:21 PM |
#172 |
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yup |
mdmc |
Oct-18-08 10:11 PM |
#185 |
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K&R. (nt) |
Kurovski |
Oct-18-08 04:43 PM |
#158 |
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I wonder why... |
last_texas_dem |
Oct-18-08 04:44 PM |
#159 |
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Uh oh. Here we go again. |
SharonRB |
Oct-18-08 05:10 PM |
#162 |
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SOMETHING EASY TO DO (even from afar) that could help: |
emlev |
Oct-18-08 05:38 PM |
#168 |
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Pay no attention to the mounting evidence of another stolen election. nt |
Pooka Fey |
Oct-18-08 05:42 PM |
#169 |
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I hope that these people called the Obama campaign and the local media |
kaygore |
Oct-18-08 07:28 PM |
#175 |
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Virginia Matheney and Calvin Thomas may speak out again if on Nov 4rth they say |
ohio2007 |
Oct-18-08 08:31 PM |
#179 |
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We must video our votes!!!!!!!!! |
TwoSparkles |
Oct-18-08 07:43 PM |
#176 |
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vote rigged |
Larry L. Burks |
Oct-18-08 08:53 PM |
#181 |
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They say it's just voters being careless, but we shouldn't |
tblue37 |
Oct-18-08 08:57 PM |
#182 |
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the same thing happened to me yesterday when I voted in wheeling |
ArnoldLayne |
Oct-18-08 11:30 PM |
#190 |
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please be sure to report this |
marions ghost |
Oct-19-08 10:14 AM |
#208 |
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I would have a hard time not destroying the machine...of course then I'd go to prison. Ironic...no? |
buddysmellgood |
Oct-18-08 10:54 PM |
#187 |
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Actually I wonder if early voting isn't going to catch this problem this time. |
VoodooGuru |
Oct-18-08 11:03 PM |
#188 |
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Help America vote, indeed |
nolabels |
Oct-18-08 11:10 PM |
#189 |
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And, somehow, this isn't newsworthy? |
Enthusiast |
Oct-18-08 11:51 PM |
#191 |
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Those who cast the votes decide nothing ... |
panzerfaust |
Oct-19-08 07:33 AM |
#200 |
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Stalin did say that. |
ohio2007 |
Oct-19-08 08:55 AM |
#203 |
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Touchscreens Are In Widespread Use |
DallasNE |
Oct-19-08 08:23 AM |
#202 |
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Loser Take All: Election Fraud and The Subversion of Democracy, 2000 - 2008 |
JonLP24 |
Oct-19-08 09:50 AM |
#205 |