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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 09:44 AM
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Murder Suspect Was Protected By SF Sanctuary Policy
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Source: NBC

SAN FRANCISCO -- The alleged gang member accused of shooting to death a San Francisco father and his two sons could enter a plea in court Monday morning.

Ramos is accused of killing Tony Bologna and his sons ages 20 and 16 during a road rage incident as they drove home from a family outing June 22.

The case has also sparked new debate over illegal immigration. The Chronicle reports Ramos, an undocumented immigrant, had been convicted of two other felonies as a juvenile but was never deported due to San Francisco's status as a sanctuary city.

Under the policy, city leaders were prohibited from reporting immigration status of those in the juvenile court system. Last month, Mayor Gavin Newsom closed that loophole.


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  -Murder Suspect Was Protected By SF Sanctuary Policy wvbygod  Jul-21-08 09:44 AM   #0 
  - Unbefreakingbelievable! n/t  WriteDown   Jul-21-08 09:46 AM   #1 
  - More on the story....  wvbygod   Jul-21-08 10:26 AM   #2 
  - Can you say "Mara Salvatrucha 13?"  sourmilk   Jul-21-08 11:21 AM   #5 
  - I can  aspergris   Jul-21-08 11:37 AM   #6 
  - Running gangs from jail is easy to stop  wvbygod   Jul-21-08 11:39 AM   #7 
     - If only you were right....  sourmilk   Jul-21-08 12:51 PM   #10 
  - Wait - did I read this right?  gratuitous   Jul-21-08 03:02 PM   #12 
     - There is plenty of blame to go around, ultimately Ramos is at fault  slackmaster   Jul-21-08 08:08 PM   #14 
     - No argument  gratuitous   Jul-21-08 09:33 PM   #15 
     - SF's dirty fucking hippie sanctuary policy is part of the problem, but not the only problem.  yibbehobba   Jul-22-08 03:34 PM   #34 
     - He is if he's guilty  KevinJ   Jul-23-08 10:39 AM   #54 
     - Officials try to explain suspect's release  struggle4progress   Jul-22-08 11:20 AM   #23 
        - He was arrested while in a car with a dude who had an illegal gun that had been used in a murder  slackmaster   Jul-23-08 08:17 AM   #53 
           - Not interested in trying that case here: locals and feds both decided not to pursue it at the time  struggle4progress   Jul-23-08 04:21 PM   #62 
  - The city has dropped the policy after an incident involving eight drug dealers from Honduras  slackmaster   Jul-21-08 10:33 AM   #3 
  - There are reasons why some consider the state of California  nels25   Jul-21-08 11:01 AM   #4 
     - The same stupid policy has been a problem for states like NC and SC  brentspeak   Jul-22-08 11:11 AM   #22 
     - As a North Carolinian, I am naturally interested in your opinion on whatever problems North Carolina  struggle4progress   Jul-22-08 02:57 PM   #29 
        - "''Sanctuary' cities for illegals draw ire" - (Durham, NC)  brentspeak   Jul-22-08 03:50 PM   #38 
           - First, NC drunk driving fatality statistics show no recent increases:  struggle4progress   Jul-22-08 05:37 PM   #41 
           - Second, you want to claim some Durham policy is responsible for the anecdotes you cite from  struggle4progress   Jul-22-08 05:45 PM   #42 
     - I don't know, how much killing and lawlessness was enough for Chicago?  yibbehobba   Jul-22-08 03:36 PM   #35 
  - Bildo will be all over this one...  snooper2   Jul-21-08 11:39 AM   #8 
  - I love my City, but sometimes...  SpookyCat   Jul-21-08 12:40 PM   #9 
  - Defense attorney wants gag order in SF triple murder case  struggle4progress   Jul-21-08 02:56 PM   #11 
  - Defense lawyer bullshit  slackmaster   Jul-21-08 08:07 PM   #13 
     - Maybe. But the news stories are mostly content-free rightwing propaganda, and it's  struggle4progress   Jul-21-08 10:19 PM   #16 
        - Sometimes it's the things that defense attorneys don't say that are most telling  slackmaster   Jul-22-08 08:25 AM   #18 
           - Ramos Attorney Says He Didnt Do It  struggle4progress   Jul-22-08 11:00 AM   #19 
           - "Not responsible for the murders" != "Didn't kill those three people"  slackmaster   Jul-22-08 12:15 PM   #27 
           - His lawyer says he didn't do it? Well, that settles it: we should just let him out.  brentspeak   Jul-22-08 04:20 PM   #40 
              - Police said he did it? Well, that settles it: we should just hang him.  struggle4progress   Jul-22-08 05:46 PM   #43 
           - "... Amparan said he expects Ramos will plead not guilty. 'And I expect it to be not guilty when  struggle4progress   Jul-22-08 11:06 AM   #20 
           - Still not the same as saying he didn't shoot three people to death  slackmaster   Jul-22-08 12:16 PM   #28 
           - "... His attorney says Ramos is not the gunman ..."  struggle4progress   Jul-22-08 03:03 PM   #30 
              - OK, maybe he thought of himself as the gun-person  slackmaster   Jul-22-08 03:17 PM   #32 
                 - Applying the felony murder rule in this case only makes things worse.  yibbehobba   Jul-22-08 03:48 PM   #37 
  - I'm a bad person.  PassingFair   Jul-21-08 10:50 PM   #17 
  - Hopefully, every city with this kind of loophole will do something about it  brentspeak   Jul-22-08 11:09 AM   #21 
  - Yeah! then we can go over legal immigrants and refugees  AlphaCentauri   Jul-22-08 11:49 AM   #25 
     - The problem is not poor treatment of immigrants, legal or illegal.  yibbehobba   Jul-22-08 03:39 PM   #36 
        - You want INS to deport anybody who can't produce proof of citizenship in a routine traffic stop?  struggle4progress   Jul-22-08 06:11 PM   #47 
           - No one is saying that.  Mz Pip   Jul-22-08 06:24 PM   #48 
              - I'm not sure what change you think you are proposing to existing law  struggle4progress   Jul-22-08 06:50 PM   #49 
                 - Violent offenders should not be protected by the sanctuary law.  yibbehobba   Jul-23-08 07:27 AM   #50 
                    - "... San Francisco Sheriff Mike Hennesy disputes ICE's claims and says the federal agency is trying  struggle4progress   Jul-23-08 08:00 AM   #51 
                       - Nowhere in that article does he contradict ICE's assertions with facts.  yibbehobba   Jul-23-08 02:53 PM   #58 
                          - There's more from the sheriff in #23: perhaps you've already read it  struggle4progress   Jul-23-08 04:20 PM   #61 
  - What a misleading headline  AlphaCentauri   Jul-22-08 11:44 AM   #24 
  - Headline blames Sanctuary city but real reason is here:  mikelgb   Jul-22-08 12:10 PM   #26 
  - "Sanctuary city" is Rovian wedge-code anyway. The Chronicle should be ashamed  struggle4progress   Jul-22-08 03:05 PM   #31 
  - "Sanctuary City" is the exact term that SF city officials have used to describe the city  slackmaster   Jul-22-08 03:18 PM   #33 
  - Thanks for that ever-so-minor correction. The Chronicle's rovian misrepresentation of the City's  struggle4progress   Jul-22-08 06:02 PM   #45 
     - Sanctuary policy made city less safe - SF Chronicle  slackmaster   Jul-23-08 12:24 PM   #55 
        - What a diligent little repeater of rightwing noise you are, Slack!  struggle4progress   Jul-23-08 01:32 PM   #56 
           - So, are you saying the sanctuary policy did not make SF less safe?  slackmaster   Jul-23-08 01:40 PM   #57 
              - I'm doubting the analytical usefulness of the op-ed you cite  struggle4progress   Jul-23-08 04:11 PM   #59 
                 - I think it was right on the money  slackmaster   Jul-23-08 04:15 PM   #60 
                    - I don't doubt you think so: but the columnist Debra Saunders IS a reliable rightwing shill, who  struggle4progress   Jul-23-08 04:43 PM   #63 
                       - I can't recall ever reading anything by or about her previously  slackmaster   Jul-23-08 04:50 PM   #64 
                       - No kidding. She's our low rent Anne Coulter. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-23-08 05:10 PM   #65 
  - That's a curious take.  yibbehobba   Jul-22-08 03:50 PM   #39 
     - Hysterical wingnut misrepresentations have become common in recent years, even on this board  struggle4progress   Jul-22-08 06:05 PM   #46 
  - Interesting logic  slackmaster   Jul-23-08 08:15 AM   #52 
  - San Francisco.... a liberal City... a City Right WIngers love to Attack  fascisthunter   Jul-22-08 05:53 PM   #44 
  - If it keeps wingers out of this town, let them have at it!  sfexpat2000   Jul-23-08 05:32 PM   #66 
  - Typical corporate media framing  depakid   Jul-23-08 05:55 PM   #67 
  - San Francisco's sanctuary policy prevented him from being deported 4-5 years ago  slackmaster   Jul-23-08 06:00 PM   #68 
     - Would he really have been deported absent the policy?  depakid   Jul-23-08 06:06 PM   #69 
        - Yes, he very likely would have been  slackmaster   Jul-23-08 06:11 PM   #70 
  - New information this morning - Authorities say Ramos used "an AK-47 assault weapon"  slackmaster   Jul-24-08 09:51 AM   #71 
 

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