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Mon Jul-14-08 08:14 AM
Response to Reply #45 |
| 48. I do have a doctorate in science. |
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So no, when you say "yourself included" as one of those who've lost interest in science, I hardly think it applies to me -- or to Asian-AMERICANS who make up a large number of scientists and physicians in this country.
Whether third generation or new immigrant, Asians get lumped together as "outsiders" in this country. We all get tarred with the same prejudice. To imply that third generation Asians should just "get over feeling attacked" is being completely unrealistic about what it's like to be an ethnic minority that has visibly non-white features.
My sensitivity to the subject is this: when Americans get riled up about all those chink scholars coming over from China, their anger and hatred ends up spilling over onto American-born Asians as well. White Americans can't tell the difference. An asian face is, by definition, alien. And why is it that Americans are angriest about grad students from China (and India as well)? If the hordes of scientists were coming over from Russia or Germany, there simply wouldn't be this same reaction because those people are white. The anger -- and the feeling that "oh no, we're doomed!" is in large part because the grad students we're talking about aren't white.
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| -U.S. GRADUATE TRAINING: Top Ph.D. Feeder Schools Are Now Chinese |
arendt |
Jul-11-08 01:42 PM |
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The privledge of China owning our debt . |
midnight |
Jul-11-08 01:53 PM |
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China's population is 1.3 billion - more than 4 times the population of the US |
Xipe Totec |
Jul-11-08 01:58 PM |
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And letting them have 1/3 of our advanced degrees to take home to China helps us compete how? |
arendt |
Jul-11-08 02:02 PM |
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It doesn't, but rather than piss and moan about... |
TreasonousBastard |
Jul-11-08 02:27 PM |
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well, actually, most programs won't accept a student into a PhD without also offering them support |
FarceOfNature |
Jul-11-08 02:40 PM |
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For starters, my tax dollars are going to educate people who will leave here... |
arendt |
Jul-11-08 02:41 PM |
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I don't think it's fair to just blame greed/lack of interest...it's so much more complex than that |
FarceOfNature |
Jul-11-08 02:58 PM |
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I appreciate, and accept, your nuanced interpretation. One question... |
arendt |
Jul-11-08 03:30 PM |
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well, not all obviously! ;) |
FarceOfNature |
Jul-12-08 04:45 PM |
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Foreign students pay full fare for their education... |
ldf |
Jul-11-08 07:32 PM |
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LOL |
sudopod |
Jul-11-08 09:15 PM |
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Gravy train? Hardly. On a $/hr basis, it's miserable. |
eppur_se_muova |
Jul-11-08 10:57 PM |
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Yes, it sucks. But it always has; and it beats planting rice... |
arendt |
Jul-12-08 09:38 AM |
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"Planting rice?" Have you seen China lately? |
mainer |
Jul-13-08 06:26 AM |
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And who builds those cities? Itinerant workers from the rice fields. There are TWO chinas today... |
arendt |
Jul-13-08 10:01 AM |
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do you really think the Chinese science elite will be planting rice? |
mainer |
Jul-13-08 01:55 PM |
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First of all, the anecdote was from 30 years ago, at the height of the Cultural Revolution... |
arendt |
Jul-13-08 03:26 PM |
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Yes, as a matter of fact. I am. |
mainer |
Jul-13-08 08:23 PM |
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I have given the parallel "flipping burgers", if that's not good enough, I can't do any more... |
arendt |
Jul-13-08 09:58 PM |
#45 |
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I do have a doctorate in science. |
mainer |
Jul-14-08 08:14 AM |
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First, this is completely off the OP. But, I really feel that your priorities are wrong here... |
arendt |
Jul-14-08 10:06 AM |
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They don't need them...the H1-B's |
Zodiak Ironfist |
Jul-11-08 07:45 PM |
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also, China has only 2,000 degree-granting universities... |
FarceOfNature |
Jul-11-08 02:17 PM |
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found the link, US has 4,084 degree-granting universities.. |
FarceOfNature |
Jul-11-08 02:25 PM |
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Interesting....worrying? |
FarceOfNature |
Jul-11-08 02:08 PM |
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Well we do have really good grad programs n/t |
Indenturedebtor |
Jul-11-08 02:15 PM |
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yeah, and even more than just from an academics standpoint, an American degree has prestige... |
FarceOfNature |
Jul-11-08 02:19 PM |
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I suspect it's just that grad schools are expensive to maintain |
mainer |
Jul-13-08 06:28 AM |
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Maybe I'm just old fashion but I thought US universities were |
lovuian |
Jul-11-08 02:13 PM |
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Ah, you arr suprrise I speak yourr ranguage. I study in you contry at U. C. R. A. |
bean fidhleir |
Jul-11-08 03:37 PM |
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LOL! Coplas! |
Coventina |
Jul-12-08 11:52 AM |
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why don't you make slant eyes and buck teeth while you're at it? |
mainer |
Jul-13-08 01:48 PM |
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ditto.nt |
nam78_two |
Jul-13-08 10:26 PM |
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What a disgusting post.nt |
nam78_two |
Jul-13-08 10:29 PM |
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The number of Chinese applicants to U.S. science grad programs could fill up a telephone book |
brentspeak |
Jul-11-08 04:07 PM |
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Where do they work? |
ramapo |
Jul-11-08 08:52 PM |
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my friend is a research chemist and most of his research team |
lovuian |
Jul-13-08 10:27 AM |
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Is this really significant? The more higher education is concentrated in a few schools ... |
eppur_se_muova |
Jul-11-08 11:14 PM |
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Its no statistical trick. Go to any grad school, the non-American percentage is gigantic... |
arendt |
Jul-12-08 09:26 AM |
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Some of the students at my rural high school are afraid to go to the big |
amandabeech |
Jul-12-08 03:57 PM |
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And still didn't get the message. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-13-08 04:05 PM |
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students are BRUTAL to TA's who don't speak crystal clear, accent-free English... |
FarceOfNature |
Jul-13-08 05:00 PM |
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She was lucky to have you as a friend. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jul-13-08 06:18 PM |
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Although I went to grad school myself, I can understand why an American student |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-11-08 11:46 PM |
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K&R |
DeepModem Mom |
Jul-12-08 12:11 AM |
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US is lucky in that foreigners are still come here studying |
ckramer |
Jul-13-08 10:45 AM |
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For now, of course. |
Teh_Rabble_Rouser |
Jul-13-08 04:53 PM |
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indeed. pretty much all that is holding up the US's perceived global hegemony is |
FarceOfNature |
Jul-13-08 05:03 PM |
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all your brains are belong to us !!! |
PfcHammer |
Jul-13-08 02:56 PM |
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