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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 03:01 PM
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75. He had to choose between his morals and being a governmnet employee.
I admire him for his choice.

Your argument would undermine anyone ever being convicted for war crimes, since they were doing their jobs, btw.
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  -He quit rather than lower flag (for Jesse Helms) yardwork  Jul-09-08 10:55 AM   #0 
  - Ha!  underpants   Jul-09-08 10:57 AM   #1 
  - He should have no trouble finding another job  marshall   Jul-09-08 04:44 PM   #104 
     - Perhaps the DNC could hire him  dflprincess   Jul-09-08 09:11 PM   #121 
  - What a crock of shit when a Dem governor's administration  tularetom   Jul-09-08 11:07 AM   #2 
  - I know how he felt  Scairp   Jul-09-08 04:49 PM   #106 
  - Helms sang "Dixie" on an elevator with Carol Moseley Braun in the hope he'd make her cry  DogPoundPup   Jul-09-08 11:08 AM   #3 
  - Ignoring is more like it  texshelters   Jul-09-08 11:26 AM   #5 
  - It's troubling  Buenaventura   Jul-09-08 12:02 PM   #26 
     - Is there any difference between  zonmoy   Jul-09-08 09:21 PM   #122 
     - right on, man.  PittPoliSci   Jul-10-08 03:21 AM   #133 
     - ditto.  knixphan   Jul-11-08 12:50 AM   #144 
  - Good for him!  wryter2000   Jul-09-08 11:13 AM   #4 
  - Would he be interested  MuseRider   Jul-09-08 11:27 AM   #6 
  - He was a government employee  hendo   Jul-09-08 11:29 AM   #7 
  - Yep. nt  onehandle   Jul-09-08 11:35 AM   #8 
  - "he has to follow the rules of his position"  Bill McBlueState   Jul-09-08 11:37 AM   #9 
  - so do you disagree with my premise  hendo   Jul-09-08 11:50 AM   #22 
     - I agree that he would be vehemently attacked.  Bill McBlueState   Jul-09-08 12:57 PM   #42 
        - true, as they should  hendo   Jul-09-08 01:12 PM   #43 
  - Wrong!  izquierdista   Jul-09-08 11:38 AM   #10 
  - It was a flag  hendo   Jul-09-08 11:49 AM   #20 
  - Respect is earned  izquierdista   Jul-09-08 11:55 AM   #23 
  - It is possible to respect an office  hendo   Jul-09-08 12:03 PM   #28 
     - Fine, respect the office  izquierdista   Jul-09-08 12:35 PM   #39 
        - So, do you take joy in his death? nt  hendo   Jul-09-08 12:37 PM   #40 
           - I do !!  boilinmad   Jul-10-08 09:05 AM   #137 
              - I'm conflicted...  Javaman   Jul-10-08 09:55 AM   #139 
              - how very compasionate of you nt  hendo   Jul-10-08 09:49 PM   #142 
  - I agree, lower the flag to show the death of the office he held  uppityperson   Jul-09-08 12:03 PM   #27 
     - I LIKE your solution!  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-17-08 09:12 AM   #150 
  - So you'll support some RWers when they decide not to fly the flag at half staff when Carter dies?  progressoid   Jul-09-08 01:29 PM   #50 
     - Of course they won't support it  Mike Daniels   Jul-09-08 01:48 PM   #53 
     - There are no objective grounds to deny Carter his tribute. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 01:54 PM   #54 
     - I know Republicans that would disagree with you. n/t  progressoid   Jul-09-08 02:00 PM   #56 
        - Republicans aren't known for their grounding in fact.  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 02:09 PM   #59 
           - Facts and objectivity aren't the issue.  progressoid   Jul-09-08 03:37 PM   #85 
              - exactly nt  hendo   Jul-09-08 03:40 PM   #86 
              - What rules are you talking about?  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 03:46 PM   #88 
                 - the klan example is a little off  hendo   Jul-09-08 04:18 PM   #96 
                    - Right. Acting on it like wearing white robes and holding public events. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 04:19 PM   #97 
                       - no  hendo   Jul-09-08 04:23 PM   #100 
                          - Oh, I get it. But the fact is, the KKK does express its racism  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 04:28 PM   #101 
                             - so, by comparison  hendo   Jul-09-08 04:54 PM   #108 
                                - No. Gay pride doesn't advocate the suppression of anyone's civil rights.  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 05:02 PM   #109 
     - I wouldn't want to see them fired for that reason alone.  yardwork   Jul-09-08 02:13 PM   #61 
     - yes and no  hendo   Jul-09-08 03:51 PM   #90 
     - No he wasn't stubborn  lakercub   Jul-09-08 07:17 PM   #114 
     - That's exactly what I was thinking, yardwork.  kdpeters   Jul-10-08 02:02 AM   #132 
     - Who says their stance has to be supported?  NYC Liberal   Jul-09-08 05:49 PM   #113 
     - I wouldn't support their doing so, but I would support their right to do so...  LeftishBrit   Jul-16-08 04:21 PM   #146 
  - Do what the government wants?  high density   Jul-09-08 11:41 AM   #12 
  - That's what bothers me about this.  yardwork   Jul-09-08 11:43 AM   #14 
  - This, for instance.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-08 11:46 AM   #16 
  - "He signs the checks..."  Dogtown   Jul-09-08 12:14 PM   #34 
     - it is a concept held by many bureaucrats  hendo   Jul-09-08 01:17 PM   #45 
     - When you hire a kid to mow your lawn, do you care if he does it?  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-08 03:14 PM   #79 
        - If I hire someone to mow the lawn...  LeftishBrit   Jul-17-08 12:04 PM   #152 
  - I found out something really heartening last night watching a documentary  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 12:07 PM   #29 
  - Following lawful orders is a condition of employment - everywhere. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-08 11:44 AM   #15 
  - Some orders are wrong, lawful or not, which is why there are courts  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 11:48 AM   #19 
     - The governor is outside his legal authority ordering flags to be lowered? n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-08 11:57 AM   #24 
     - I'm not a lawyer but my default position is not supporting the State  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 12:00 PM   #25 
        - Certainly no governor is going to force me to fly my flag at half staff.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-08 12:07 PM   #30 
           - I'm wondering if a lawyer could argue that Eason was protecting  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 12:09 PM   #32 
           - a lawyer could  hendo   Jul-09-08 01:15 PM   #44 
              - I don't underestimate much except possibly the willingness of the American people  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 01:19 PM   #47 
                 - those who would sacrifice freedom for security  hendo   Jul-09-08 01:22 PM   #48 
                    - Exactly.  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 01:23 PM   #49 
           - no sympathy here  lakercub   Jul-09-08 07:27 PM   #115 
              - With all due respect...  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-08 09:55 PM   #125 
     - But he voluntarily retired.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jul-09-08 10:02 PM   #127 
  - If you were an employee of the CIA  hendo   Jul-09-08 11:48 AM   #18 
     - And the German Army  Dogtown   Jul-09-08 12:22 PM   #35 
     - yes  hendo   Jul-09-08 12:31 PM   #38 
     - If they told you to tap someone's phone even though no warrant had been issued, would you still have  closeupready   Jul-09-08 12:27 PM   #36 
  - I have to agree.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-08 11:43 AM   #13 
  - Yeah  hendo   Jul-09-08 12:50 PM   #41 
  - It always makes me puke to see cowards judge a man of principles.  tabasco   Jul-09-08 05:18 PM   #111 
  - Which he will get.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jul-09-08 10:07 PM   #128 
  - it does not take courage to do what he did  hendo   Jul-10-08 09:47 PM   #141 
     - Lack of foresight?  LeftishBrit   Jul-16-08 04:22 PM   #147 
  - I might well do the same as you...  LeftishBrit   Jul-16-08 04:38 PM   #148 
  - Apparently his wife felt he should lower the flag  Mike Daniels   Jul-09-08 02:01 PM   #57 
     - So, at that point  hendo   Jul-09-08 03:42 PM   #87 
        - YMMV, but I would not call it heroic. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-08 03:46 PM   #89 
           - YMMV?  hendo   Jul-09-08 03:53 PM   #91 
              - Your Mileage May Vary. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-08 04:29 PM   #102 
  - I think a strong argument could be made that Helms was a career-long  bean fidhleir   Jul-09-08 12:12 PM   #33 
  - Isn't it suprising he was re-elected so many times?  winter999   Jul-09-08 02:13 PM   #60 
     - It surprises me, for sure. I lived in North Carolina for close to a year and thought the people  bean fidhleir   Jul-09-08 03:10 PM   #77 
  - I must agree. It's not about Helms' being a bastard. It's about public service.  winter999   Jul-09-08 02:08 PM   #58 
  - Did Helms serve the public? n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 02:14 PM   #62 
     - he served those who elected him  hendo   Jul-09-08 04:21 PM   #99 
        - Did he?  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 04:46 PM   #105 
           - well, his constituents felt served. n/t  hendo   Jul-09-08 04:51 PM   #107 
  - He had to choose between his morals and being a governmnet employee.  jobycom   Jul-09-08 03:01 PM   #75 
  - So do you feel the same way about the Abu Ghraib soliders  dadsblacksheep   Jul-09-08 03:35 PM   #84 
  - the Abu Ghraib situation si different  hendo   Jul-09-08 03:58 PM   #93 
  - That's the best you've got?  dadsblacksheep   Jul-09-08 08:12 PM   #120 
  - Of course. Torture is just like being asked to fly the flag at "your" office at half-mast. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-08 04:30 PM   #103 
     - I'm not comparing torture to flying a flag at half staff and you know it.  dadsblacksheep   Jul-09-08 08:11 PM   #119 
        - Of course you were. You were attempting to draw an analogy from dissimilar situations.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-08 09:46 PM   #123 
           - You can tell me I am, but I'm not. Truly. I'm shocked by the assertion that  dadsblacksheep   Jul-10-08 08:06 AM   #135 
  - If there are consequences to using your Freedom of speech rights than  fasttense   Jul-10-08 07:48 AM   #134 
  - When a flag is lowered to half mast, no one asks which "office" the flag is lowered for  Birdiesmom   Jul-10-08 10:30 AM   #140 
  - Well done. K&R  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 11:38 AM   #11 
  - There are still a few patriots around.  anotheryellowdog   Jul-09-08 11:47 AM   #17 
  - The registration for this site takes about 30 seconds. Leave a comment  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 11:49 AM   #21 
  - Refusing to lower the flag  lfeas0n   Jul-16-08 02:18 PM   #145 
     - Thank you, Mr. Eason  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-17-08 09:19 AM   #151 
  - I salute you Mr. Eason!  Pastiche423   Jul-09-08 12:09 PM   #31 
  - hold on a minute ... wasn't there some flack a week or so ago when someone  zbdent   Jul-09-08 12:29 PM   #37 
  - Goes to show that not much has really changed in North Carolina  depakid   Jul-09-08 01:19 PM   #46 
  - I have the utmost admiration for Mr. Eason, & hope someone is able to match his moxi with a  Vidar   Jul-09-08 01:31 PM   #51 
  - Write to NC Dept. of Agriculture and Consumer Services  n0nesuch   Jul-09-08 01:37 PM   #52 
  - Dont forget the Governor  n0nesuch   Jul-09-08 01:59 PM   #55 
  - State employee won't lower flags for Helms  Dollface   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #63 
  - Who says there are no more heroes?  jobycom   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #64 
  - nice to see a government employee with integrity who acts on it. nt  msongs   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #65 
  - Good for you Mr. Eason!  DebbieCDC   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #66 
  - Finally someone stood up  2peaches2   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #67 
  - a man of conscience and conviction..  frylock   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #68 
  - Our flags in Michigan seem to be perpetually at half-mast  noonwitch   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #69 
  - And the MI GOP has attacked our governor for it.  knitter4democracy   Jul-09-08 10:02 PM   #126 
  - maybe he should run for something? we are meant to be a citizen government. remember?  Sam Ervin jret   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #70 
  - I didn't realize and I doubt many others who aren't old enough  Tunkamerica   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #71 
  - "You Will Respect My Authoritah  happygoluckytoyou   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #72 
  - The gov. is a Democrat (or at least calls himself one)  tularetom   Jul-09-08 02:31 PM   #73 
  - Thanks for reminding us.  n0nesuch   Jul-09-08 03:11 PM   #78 
  - I admire him for his stand  Mad_Dem_X   Jul-09-08 02:40 PM   #74 
     - To paraphrase Bette Davis  RedLetterRev   Jul-10-08 08:27 AM   #136 
  - He made his position an extension of his own ego.  igil   Jul-09-08 03:06 PM   #76 
  - Yes. Quite so. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-08 03:17 PM   #80 
  - This is a measurment of his performance in his job?  n0nesuch   Jul-09-08 03:20 PM   #81 
  - That is normally called "following your conscience". n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 03:53 PM   #92 
  - Yeah. He should have minded his place and just taken it like a good citizen of fascist USA. WTF?  NoodleyAppendage   Jul-10-08 12:44 AM   #131 
  - We need a million more like him. K&R!  happydreams   Jul-09-08 03:21 PM   #82 
  - He could have flown it at half staff, but upside down too!  Endangered Specie   Jul-09-08 03:29 PM   #83 
  - Wow. Integrity.  Solly Mack   Jul-09-08 03:58 PM   #94 
  - Pro comments at the site are far outnumbering.  sfexpat2000   Jul-09-08 04:03 PM   #95 
  - Sounds like racial harassment to me.  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-09-08 04:20 PM   #98 
  - Perhaps not..  Pavulon   Jul-09-08 05:04 PM   #110 
  - Just goes to show ...  Nihil   Jul-09-08 05:46 PM   #112 
  - Well Said, Nihil (n/t)  Paladin   Jul-09-08 07:37 PM   #116 
  - Hear, hear.....  llmart   Jul-09-08 07:49 PM   #117 
  - It's nice to see someone finally stand up for what they believe in.  sarcasmo   Jul-09-08 08:07 PM   #118 
  - Honorable person of principle  JoFerret   Jul-09-08 09:48 PM   #124 
  - The NC Department of Agriculture overreacted...  Birdiesmom   Jul-10-08 12:10 AM   #129 
  - We all have free will, nobody can force us to do anything we dont want, he made his choice...  Jack_DeLeon   Jul-10-08 12:42 AM   #130 
  - Eason doesn't claim he was "forced" to do anything  Birdiesmom   Jul-10-08 09:08 AM   #138 
  - good for him  pitohui   Jul-10-08 11:59 PM   #143 
  - Time to kick this one up there again........nt  Stuart G   Jul-17-08 07:55 AM   #149 
 

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