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Wed Jan-28-04 06:36 PM
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I'm a semi-pro musician and do my share of sound engineering work for home recordings and for public events.
There's a BIIIIIG difference between microphones used for live applications (like rallies or concerts) and for studio work.
Studio mikes tend to be of MUCH higher quality, because they're much more sensitive and designed to pick up the slightest sound that comes to them.
Live mikes, OTOH, are not nearly as sensitive because they do not need to be-- if you're only feeding the sound into a PA system, you don't need the same quality level as you do for making digital recordings.
The only way that they could have totally eliminated the background noise would be if they took a direct line out from the mixer, and HD would have to be in an isolated room or booth.
It's possible they could have blocked out some of the background noise with a unidirectional microphone, which is probably what Dean was using. However, it would be nearly impossible to block out ALL sound from the background unless they used some sort of filtering equipment-- and even then, you would NOT catch all of it.
Of course, things would have probably sounded different depending on the listener's proximity to the PA speakers and the dynamics of the room. There's a whole bunch of variables to consider here-- I've just barely scratched the surface.
IMHO, they may have got a feed from the PA, which would make Dean sound louder in relation to the crowd, because they were not deliberately miking the crowd. I'm also guessing Dean didn't have any sort of monitoring system on the stage, which would make his own voice appear softer than it was going out over the PA.
It's unfortunate that media made such a big deal, because it really wasn't IMHO. But it's pretty hard to believe there was a deliberate conspiracy afoot to "doctor" the sound in any way.
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| -Diane Sawyer - Dean's Microphone Controversy!!!! (see below) |
doxieone |
Jan-28-04 06:16 PM |
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thanks for posting this |
UpInArms |
Jan-28-04 06:20 PM |
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I hope the media wakes up and takes notice. |
0007 |
Jan-28-04 07:02 PM |
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Either way, it should not have been a story at all -- |
Emillereid |
Jan-28-04 06:22 PM |
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Sorry, but there isn't such a microphone in the entire world! |
Dirk39 |
Jan-28-04 06:32 PM |
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Dirk-take it from another(?) audio engineer. Dean was in 'Beatlemania.' |
JohnOneillsMemory |
Jan-28-04 06:49 PM |
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Hi, |
Dirk39 |
Jan-28-04 07:02 PM |
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Most LAV's are made that way. |
Sterling |
Jan-28-04 07:32 PM |
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From an ex audio engineer |
mrdmk |
Jan-28-04 09:19 PM |
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Oh please |
wtmusic |
Jan-28-04 11:50 PM |
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Ex-soundman here: yes, it does. |
Zhade |
Jan-28-04 11:59 PM |
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I'm an engineer too--so what |
wtmusic |
Jan-29-04 12:12 AM |
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There's nothing TO excuse! |
Zhade |
Jan-29-04 12:59 AM |
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On content: acting style-theater vs. film. |
JohnOneillsMemory |
Jan-29-04 12:24 PM |
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Thank you for input and everybody is correct. |
mrdmk |
Jan-29-04 04:00 PM |
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They must use super cardiod mics |
cjbuchanan |
Jan-28-04 06:51 PM |
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I'm fine, although I did never watch an entire... |
Dirk39 |
Jan-28-04 07:23 PM |
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Most Americans never heard of Kucinich either |
cjbuchanan |
Jan-28-04 07:44 PM |
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We were seperated into many many federal states... |
Dirk39 |
Jan-28-04 08:56 PM |
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Actually, there is. |
Kanzeon |
Jan-28-04 07:28 PM |
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? |
Dirk39 |
Jan-28-04 07:43 PM |
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-Monitor Mix is the key word her-MONITOR MIX |
aunteeWar |
Jan-28-04 08:27 PM |
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deleted by me |
RapidCreek |
Jan-29-04 12:19 AM |
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When was this played on TV? |
Smirnoff |
Jan-28-04 06:34 PM |
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it was on ABC Evening News |
UpInArms |
Jan-28-04 06:58 PM |
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Link |
area51 |
Jan-29-04 11:27 AM |
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Why didn't Howard explain it this way to begin with rather than |
Southsideirish |
Jan-28-04 06:36 PM |
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True. As an audio engineer, I can confirm that his mike feed was taken out |
JohnOneillsMemory |
Jan-28-04 06:36 PM |
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Excellent comparison and one that should be used!!!!! |
Lars39 |
Jan-28-04 06:42 PM |
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Is that BBC feed online? |
scottcsmith |
Jan-28-04 06:43 PM |
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I wish the BBC would make it available. Blair might have had it scrubbed. |
JohnOneillsMemory |
Jan-28-04 07:26 PM |
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Too bad, I would really like to see that! |
Smirnoff |
Jan-29-04 08:46 AM |
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3,500 screaming supporters |
GloriaSmith |
Jan-29-04 08:33 PM |
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I'm skeptical... |
no name no slogan |
Jan-28-04 06:36 PM |
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Then you know what happens when you listen to a soundboard feed |
0rganism |
Jan-28-04 06:48 PM |
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Two related GD 2004 threads about this |
Wonk |
Jan-28-04 06:41 PM |
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Here's a link to the speech from the floor |
DoctorMyEyes |
Jan-28-04 06:58 PM |
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Dianne Sawyer??? |
wroberts189 |
Jan-28-04 07:43 PM |
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Other members of the media were aware of this effect. |
Abigail147 |
Jan-28-04 08:51 PM |
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OMG...Diane Sawyer is a complete whore. |
Nlighten1 |
Jan-29-04 05:56 AM |
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link to discussion in Primary section |
WheresWaldo |
Jan-28-04 08:56 PM |
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This is fascinating |
daleo |
Jan-28-04 11:49 PM |
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...and the other candidates don't use the same type of mic? |
george_w_snatch |
Jan-29-04 12:12 AM |
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It's impossible that the news media didn't know this before |
Lucille |
Jan-29-04 12:18 AM |
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I agree...they knew it day one...and kept playing 1000 times....no excuse |
cthrumatrix |
Jan-29-04 05:35 AM |
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of course. a strongly directional mic or a noise-rejecting mic would do |
truthisfreedom |
Jan-29-04 01:16 AM |
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That was a good story |
Piperay |
Jan-29-04 03:34 AM |
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I knew DU'ers were a savvy bunch, |
dbt |
Jan-29-04 06:21 AM |
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I heard the scream and don't understand what the big deal is |
truthspeaker |
Jan-29-04 08:52 AM |
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DEAN victim of the "Star Wars Kid" syndrom... hum interesting.... |
frogfromthenorth2 |
Jan-29-04 08:54 AM |
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C-SPAN did the same thing at Iowa JJ |
Debi |
Jan-29-04 02:23 PM |
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DUh...No shit... |
LeftHander |
Jan-29-04 09:18 AM |
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More information -- ABC Replays "The Scream" in Context |
Emillereid |
Jan-29-04 03:32 PM |
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Here's a link to the Diane Sawyer's 'mea culpa' |
Emillereid |
Jan-29-04 07:59 PM |
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Dean speech... |
BeFree |
Jan-29-04 09:28 PM |
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you're right, and that's why we never elected a ... |
george_w_snatch |
Jan-30-04 02:20 PM |
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