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7. I'm skeptical...
I'm a semi-pro musician and do my share of sound engineering work for home recordings and for public events.

There's a BIIIIIG difference between microphones used for live applications (like rallies or concerts) and for studio work.

Studio mikes tend to be of MUCH higher quality, because they're much more sensitive and designed to pick up the slightest sound that comes to them.

Live mikes, OTOH, are not nearly as sensitive because they do not need to be-- if you're only feeding the sound into a PA system, you don't need the same quality level as you do for making digital recordings.

The only way that they could have totally eliminated the background noise would be if they took a direct line out from the mixer, and HD would have to be in an isolated room or booth.

It's possible they could have blocked out some of the background noise with a unidirectional microphone, which is probably what Dean was using. However, it would be nearly impossible to block out ALL sound from the background unless they used some sort of filtering equipment-- and even then, you would NOT catch all of it.

Of course, things would have probably sounded different depending on the listener's proximity to the PA speakers and the dynamics of the room. There's a whole bunch of variables to consider here-- I've just barely scratched the surface.

IMHO, they may have got a feed from the PA, which would make Dean sound louder in relation to the crowd, because they were not deliberately miking the crowd. I'm also guessing Dean didn't have any sort of monitoring system on the stage, which would make his own voice appear softer than it was going out over the PA.

It's unfortunate that media made such a big deal, because it really wasn't IMHO. But it's pretty hard to believe there was a deliberate conspiracy afoot to "doctor" the sound in any way.
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  -Diane Sawyer - Dean's Microphone Controversy!!!! (see below) doxieone  Jan-28-04 06:16 PM   #0 
  - thanks for posting this  UpInArms   Jan-28-04 06:20 PM   #1 
  - I hope the media wakes up and takes notice.  0007   Jan-28-04 07:02 PM   #16 
  - Either way, it should not have been a story at all --  Emillereid   Jan-28-04 06:22 PM   #2 
  - Sorry, but there isn't such a microphone in the entire world!  Dirk39   Jan-28-04 06:32 PM   #3 
  - Dirk-take it from another(?) audio engineer. Dean was in 'Beatlemania.'  JohnOneillsMemory   Jan-28-04 06:49 PM   #12 
  - Hi,  Dirk39   Jan-28-04 07:02 PM   #17 
     - Most LAV's are made that way.  Sterling   Jan-28-04 07:32 PM   #21 
        - From an ex audio engineer  mrdmk   Jan-28-04 09:19 PM   #29 
           - Oh please  wtmusic   Jan-28-04 11:50 PM   #31 
              - Ex-soundman here: yes, it does.  Zhade   Jan-28-04 11:59 PM   #32 
                 - I'm an engineer too--so what  wtmusic   Jan-29-04 12:12 AM   #33 
                    - There's nothing TO excuse!  Zhade   Jan-29-04 12:59 AM   #37 
                       - On content: acting style-theater vs. film.  JohnOneillsMemory   Jan-29-04 12:24 PM   #48 
                          - Thank you for input and everybody is correct.  mrdmk   Jan-29-04 04:00 PM   #51 
  - They must use super cardiod mics  cjbuchanan   Jan-28-04 06:51 PM   #13 
  - I'm fine, although I did never watch an entire...  Dirk39   Jan-28-04 07:23 PM   #18 
     - Most Americans never heard of Kucinich either  cjbuchanan   Jan-28-04 07:44 PM   #24 
        - We were seperated into many many federal states...  Dirk39   Jan-28-04 08:56 PM   #28 
  - Actually, there is.  Kanzeon   Jan-28-04 07:28 PM   #20 
  - ?  Dirk39   Jan-28-04 07:43 PM   #22 
  - -Monitor Mix is the key word her-MONITOR MIX  aunteeWar   Jan-28-04 08:27 PM   #25 
  - deleted by me  RapidCreek   Jan-29-04 12:19 AM   #36 
  - When was this played on TV?  Smirnoff   Jan-28-04 06:34 PM   #4 
  - it was on ABC Evening News  UpInArms   Jan-28-04 06:58 PM   #15 
  - Link  area51   Jan-29-04 11:27 AM   #47 
  - Why didn't Howard explain it this way to begin with rather than  Southsideirish   Jan-28-04 06:36 PM   #5 
  - True. As an audio engineer, I can confirm that his mike feed was taken out  JohnOneillsMemory   Jan-28-04 06:36 PM   #6 
  - Excellent comparison and one that should be used!!!!!  Lars39   Jan-28-04 06:42 PM   #9 
  - Is that BBC feed online?  scottcsmith   Jan-28-04 06:43 PM   #10 
  - I wish the BBC would make it available. Blair might have had it scrubbed.  JohnOneillsMemory   Jan-28-04 07:26 PM   #19 
     - Too bad, I would really like to see that!  Smirnoff   Jan-29-04 08:46 AM   #43 
  - 3,500 screaming supporters  GloriaSmith   Jan-29-04 08:33 PM   #53 
  - I'm skeptical...  no name no slogan   Jan-28-04 06:36 PM   #7 
  - Then you know what happens when you listen to a soundboard feed  0rganism   Jan-28-04 06:48 PM   #11 
  - Two related GD 2004 threads about this  Wonk   Jan-28-04 06:41 PM   #8 
  - Here's a link to the speech from the floor  DoctorMyEyes   Jan-28-04 06:58 PM   #14 
  - Dianne Sawyer???  wroberts189   Jan-28-04 07:43 PM   #23 
  - Other members of the media were aware of this effect.  Abigail147   Jan-28-04 08:51 PM   #26 
  - OMG...Diane Sawyer is a complete whore.  Nlighten1   Jan-29-04 05:56 AM   #41 
  - link to discussion in Primary section  WheresWaldo   Jan-28-04 08:56 PM   #27 
  - This is fascinating  daleo   Jan-28-04 11:49 PM   #30 
  - ...and the other candidates don't use the same type of mic?  george_w_snatch   Jan-29-04 12:12 AM   #34 
  - It's impossible that the news media didn't know this before  Lucille   Jan-29-04 12:18 AM   #35 
  - I agree...they knew it day one...and kept playing 1000 times....no excuse  cthrumatrix   Jan-29-04 05:35 AM   #40 
  - of course. a strongly directional mic or a noise-rejecting mic would do  truthisfreedom   Jan-29-04 01:16 AM   #38 
  - That was a good story  Piperay   Jan-29-04 03:34 AM   #39 
  - I knew DU'ers were a savvy bunch,  dbt   Jan-29-04 06:21 AM   #42 
  - I heard the scream and don't understand what the big deal is  truthspeaker   Jan-29-04 08:52 AM   #44 
  - DEAN victim of the "Star Wars Kid" syndrom... hum interesting....  frogfromthenorth2   Jan-29-04 08:54 AM   #45 
  - C-SPAN did the same thing at Iowa JJ  Debi   Jan-29-04 02:23 PM   #49 
  - DUh...No shit...  LeftHander   Jan-29-04 09:18 AM   #46 
  - More information -- ABC Replays "The Scream" in Context  Emillereid   Jan-29-04 03:32 PM   #50 
  - Here's a link to the Diane Sawyer's 'mea culpa'  Emillereid   Jan-29-04 07:59 PM   #52 
  - Dean speech...  BeFree   Jan-29-04 09:28 PM   #54 
     - you're right, and that's why we never elected a ...  george_w_snatch   Jan-30-04 02:20 PM   #55 
 

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