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Thu Jun-05-08 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #18 |
| -`Virgin' bride ruling stirs furor in France |
Tesha |
Jun-05-08 10:40 AM |
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I swear, civilization seems to be marching backwards |
Canuckistanian |
Jun-05-08 10:45 AM |
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France is having an especially tough time because they are a very... |
Tesha |
Jun-05-08 10:52 AM |
#3 |
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How do you say Sharia in French? |
pegleg |
Jun-06-08 08:43 AM |
#82 |
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keep your eurabia crap to yourself |
Flagg |
Jun-06-08 09:09 AM |
#90 |
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No! And by the way - It's meant to be anti-eurabia crap |
pegleg |
Jun-07-08 12:51 PM |
#133 |
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Eurabia is a tool of the extreme right to scare people into voting for them |
Flagg |
Jun-08-08 02:06 PM |
#147 |
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I feel that standing up for secular government is progressive. |
pegleg |
Jun-08-08 10:24 PM |
#150 |
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Muslim cultural values are just as relevant as Frances cultural values. No one culture is superior. |
davepc |
Jun-05-08 10:53 AM |
#4 |
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No, a secular society is superior. |
John Gauger |
Jun-05-08 11:42 AM |
#18 |
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Absolutely! n/t |
Dogtown |
Jun-05-08 03:33 PM |
#42 |
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What if she WAS a virgin & he just SAID she wasn't & NOW she's not. |
polpilot |
Jun-05-08 06:32 PM |
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Circular dude. Just circular. |
polpilot |
Jun-05-08 06:33 PM |
#60 |
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How 'bout a big shout out for the primaries being OVER. It was brutal. |
polpilot |
Jun-05-08 06:35 PM |
#61 |
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Ah, but a state that uses some sense of Ethics is more Just in establishing those rights |
cryingshame |
Jun-06-08 11:06 AM |
#102 |
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Ethics are not the sole province of religion. |
John Gauger |
Jun-07-08 10:07 AM |
#131 |
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Multiculturalism..... |
tidy_bowl |
Jun-06-08 03:56 PM |
#122 |
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Yes, I absolutely do mean it. |
John Gauger |
Jun-07-08 09:46 AM |
#130 |
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No it isn't |
alarimer |
Jun-07-08 11:12 AM |
#132 |
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wrong. |
PittPoliSci |
Jun-07-08 07:55 PM |
#140 |
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Well, France was instrumental in bringing us The Enlightenment... |
mitchum |
Jun-05-08 11:43 AM |
#19 |
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But what about women's rights? |
LisaM |
Jun-05-08 12:53 PM |
#24 |
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Apparently. not in some cultures. I'd fight for women's rights here. |
digidigido |
Jun-05-08 01:00 PM |
#26 |
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maybe ... except if she admits she's not a virgin she'll likely be murdered. i'd lie too |
Scout |
Jun-05-08 02:31 PM |
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I disagree |
Dogtown |
Jun-05-08 03:39 PM |
#43 |
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Not a civil marriage. |
amandabeech |
Jun-05-08 05:37 PM |
#56 |
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women's rights DO trump cultural "rights" (bullshit). Women's rights are human rights... |
Scout |
Jun-06-08 05:16 PM |
#124 |
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Of course women have rights |
rebecca_herman |
Jun-07-08 07:30 PM |
#136 |
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Bullshit |
leftynyc |
Jun-05-08 12:59 PM |
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hahahahahahaha |
sad_one |
Jun-05-08 01:03 PM |
#29 |
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Exactly |
gaspee |
Jun-06-08 12:28 PM |
#108 |
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Wrong. |
Cobalt Violet |
Jun-05-08 01:09 PM |
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Cultures that treat women like people rather than cum catchers are superior to those that don't. |
LeftyMom |
Jun-05-08 02:17 PM |
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Oh yes, a secular culture that treats women as equals is most definitely superior |
Electric Flag |
Jun-05-08 04:29 PM |
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since i am a woman, obviously i disagree -- secular culture IS superior |
pitohui |
Jun-05-08 04:40 PM |
#52 |
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cultural relativism is dying |
maxsolomon |
Jun-05-08 08:04 PM |
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If you are interested read Ken Wilber on this. Postmodernism is dying. |
DuaneBidoux |
Jun-06-08 08:58 AM |
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Sorry, I prefer secular values |
fujiyama |
Jun-06-08 01:24 AM |
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I guess no one belief system IN the culture is better than another? |
DuaneBidoux |
Jun-06-08 08:57 AM |
#86 |
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bull-shit. |
PittPoliSci |
Jun-06-08 01:26 PM |
#115 |
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No, some cultures are wrong. |
Zynx |
Jun-06-08 03:00 PM |
#118 |
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Ridiculous assertion, ludicrious claim |
JohnLocke |
Jun-08-08 10:00 AM |
#145 |
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A culture where women are treated as people, not as possessions |
mycritters2 |
Jun-08-08 02:28 PM |
#148 |
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The "Globe and Mail" has a more-extensive story on this... |
Tesha |
Jun-05-08 10:50 AM |
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Her critics are right, she is not up to the job. |
madaboutharry |
Jun-05-08 11:18 AM |
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An opinion piece (in French) from Le Monde... |
Tesha |
Jun-05-08 10:59 AM |
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Considering that the missing hymen is proof of absolutely nothing |
Warpy |
Jun-05-08 11:01 AM |
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Yeah, it's sad that the myth of the female hymen persists in the 21st century. |
BlueIris |
Jun-05-08 11:07 AM |
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Aren't a majority of women born without it? |
John Gauger |
Jun-05-08 11:38 AM |
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Not a majority, but some... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-08-08 04:51 AM |
#142 |
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Yeah, if the annulment is any kind of indication |
John Gauger |
Jun-05-08 11:37 AM |
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Or murdered by male relatives |
gaspee |
Jun-06-08 12:31 PM |
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She ain't out of the woods yet ... |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
Jun-06-08 02:52 PM |
#117 |
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I hope and pray |
leftynyc |
Jun-05-08 01:01 PM |
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They got married in 2006 I believe |
SillyFlower |
Jun-06-08 12:40 PM |
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So? The hyman is the last thing this is about. |
DuaneBidoux |
Jun-06-08 09:00 AM |
#88 |
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you're kidding, right? it's not literally hy"man" although no doubt many people think so! |
Scout |
Jun-06-08 05:18 PM |
#125 |
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Of course I was kidding-the point being that it is not about a piece of flesh it is about |
DuaneBidoux |
Jun-07-08 09:17 PM |
#141 |
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I dunno, If they could not get along after that... it might be best that the marriage be annuled |
mikelgb |
Jun-05-08 11:09 AM |
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I think the judge is right - marriage is a secular contract, and if one party |
petronius |
Jun-05-08 11:09 AM |
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very mercantile. |
Dogtown |
Jun-05-08 07:48 PM |
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Rational and consistent |
petronius |
Jun-06-08 12:37 AM |
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Justice? |
Dogtown |
Jun-06-08 07:20 AM |
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This is not a case of subjugating women |
petronius |
Jun-06-08 10:43 AM |
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Stop wasting my time |
Dogtown |
Jun-06-08 11:27 AM |
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Would it help if I explained it to you using smaller words? |
petronius |
Jun-06-08 11:40 AM |
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Ok, so what if the roles were reversed |
rebecca_herman |
Jun-07-08 07:32 PM |
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That is very disappointing. |
John Gauger |
Jun-05-08 11:19 AM |
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France Secular since 1789? Not in my History books, the date is only 1905. |
happyslug |
Jun-05-08 04:05 PM |
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Hmmm... gotta side with the court on this one. |
iamahaingttta |
Jun-05-08 11:20 AM |
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It's a very dangerous precedent |
LisaM |
Jun-05-08 01:03 PM |
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You might be right. |
iamahaingttta |
Jun-05-08 01:33 PM |
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I don't actually think it's a different issue, but |
LisaM |
Jun-05-08 02:04 PM |
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I Think She's Probably Better Off Without the Guy |
Crisco |
Jun-05-08 04:17 PM |
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I don't think he even had a right to KNOW if she was a virgin or not??????????????????? |
joeglow3 |
Jun-05-08 05:39 PM |
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That is majorly sick |
Pastiche423 |
Jun-05-08 06:45 PM |
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Agreed. Marriage is personal: thus *you* get to decide what are the important factors. |
mainegreen |
Jun-06-08 07:59 AM |
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Huh? |
rebecca_herman |
Jun-07-08 07:35 PM |
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Nonsense.. |
sendero |
Jun-08-08 07:14 AM |
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Sorry, but in this day and age, I have every right to demand honesty... |
colinmom71 |
Jun-08-08 12:58 PM |
#146 |
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I agree with you |
SillyFlower |
Jun-05-08 05:28 PM |
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You are a silly flower |
Dogtown |
Jun-06-08 03:56 PM |
#123 |
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WTF are you talking about? |
SillyFlower |
Jun-08-08 11:49 PM |
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Exactly - those were the grounds for annulment, not any Muslim |
treestar |
Jun-06-08 08:50 AM |
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Western Europe |
gaspee |
Jun-06-08 12:35 PM |
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I didn't say any such thing |
treestar |
Jun-07-08 02:03 PM |
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But how do we or the husband know she misrepresented herself? |
emmadoggy |
Jun-06-08 09:44 AM |
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How do you prove this? How do you know he isn't lying? |
WakeMeUp |
Jun-06-08 10:22 AM |
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The whole world needs a no-fault divorce system like California's |
Xithras |
Jun-05-08 11:28 AM |
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This, of course, wasn't about divorce. The couple wanted the marriage annuled... |
Tesha |
Jun-05-08 11:38 AM |
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Texas has no-fault divorce too. |
Perragrande |
Jun-05-08 12:49 PM |
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Isn't an anulment better than a costly and often nasty divorce procedure ? |
Flagg |
Jun-05-08 11:28 AM |
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She misrepresented herself. The ruling would likely be the same here. |
onehandle |
Jun-05-08 11:51 AM |
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She claimed to be a virgin |
Dogtown |
Jun-05-08 03:46 PM |
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Well afterall she was _tainted_ LOL |
SlicerDicer- |
Jun-05-08 11:54 AM |
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Given the facts as presented, I agree with the judge |
Android3.14 |
Jun-05-08 12:48 PM |
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As horrible as this is.... |
OwnedByFerrets |
Jun-05-08 12:59 PM |
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just to play devils advocate.... |
digidigido |
Jun-05-08 01:02 PM |
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I don't think so - because what bearing does her virginity have on the marriage? |
LisaM |
Jun-05-08 01:26 PM |
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Maybe and maybe not... |
jmowreader |
Jun-05-08 02:51 PM |
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Why on earth would you want this woman to remain married? |
katerinasmommy |
Jun-05-08 02:57 PM |
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Who are we to say what's relevant to their marriage? n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-05-08 03:45 PM |
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At least it wasn't an honor killing |
supernova |
Jun-05-08 01:22 PM |
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not presently, perhaps |
Dogtown |
Jun-05-08 07:58 PM |
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FLDS, maybe (n/t) |
gaspee |
Jun-06-08 12:38 PM |
#111 |
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does the groom have proof he is a virgin? |
xxqqqzme |
Jun-05-08 02:47 PM |
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I tend to be hyper about this kind of this ordinarily BUT... |
katerinasmommy |
Jun-05-08 02:50 PM |
#39 |
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Are you not reading any |
Dogtown |
Jun-05-08 03:57 PM |
#47 |
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I would ask you |
katerinasmommy |
Jun-05-08 04:44 PM |
#53 |
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You want closure |
Dogtown |
Jun-05-08 07:39 PM |
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Well put. |
PelosiFan |
Jun-06-08 08:07 AM |
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Thanks |
Dogtown |
Jun-06-08 08:44 AM |
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The bride should not have lied about her virginity. |
Fluffdaddy |
Jun-06-08 10:01 AM |
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How do you know she was lying? |
JulieRB |
Jun-06-08 10:25 AM |
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Wow |
gaspee |
Jun-06-08 12:42 PM |
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Disagree with the post ...attack the spelling or typographical error....typical |
Fluffdaddy |
Jun-06-08 03:05 PM |
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She did Lie and now......................ADMITS IT! |
Fluffdaddy |
Jun-06-08 03:11 PM |
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boy, i hope you weren't a slut and were a virgin when you married |
Scout |
Jun-06-08 05:32 PM |
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Were I to call you a neanderthal |
Book Lover |
Jun-06-08 05:59 PM |
#128 |
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Wow... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-08-08 04:08 PM |
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What if a guy gets a woman to marry him on a false pretense? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-05-08 03:44 PM |
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What *exactly* makes a virgin so desirable for a wife? |
Book Lover |
Jun-05-08 04:29 PM |
#51 |
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Maybe it stems from the fear of STDs |
madmusic |
Jun-05-08 05:02 PM |
#54 |
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It's religous and cultural |
SillyFlower |
Jun-05-08 05:40 PM |
#58 |
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desire for a virgin bride stems from a male fear of inadequacy |
maxsolomon |
Jun-05-08 08:28 PM |
#70 |
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. |
SillyFlower |
Jun-05-08 09:08 PM |
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i'm speaking in the general about the larger issue, not the specifics of your case |
maxsolomon |
Jun-06-08 12:54 PM |
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Ding ding... we have a winner |
eowyn_of_rohan |
Jun-06-08 09:04 AM |
#89 |
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Clean, fresh, free of deseases, pure, emotionally healthy, royal? |
ckramer |
Jun-05-08 06:44 PM |
#63 |
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Say what??? |
pagandem4justice |
Jun-06-08 08:27 AM |
#81 |
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Thank you! Couldn't have said it better myself. |
WakeMeUp |
Jun-06-08 10:24 AM |
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We're primates. |
Dogtown |
Jun-05-08 08:09 PM |
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bonobos are bisexual and fool around up and down |
xchrom |
Jun-05-08 08:51 PM |
#71 |
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true |
Dogtown |
Jun-06-08 07:22 AM |
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you don't know what you're talking about. bonobos are MATRILINEAL |
RainDog |
Jun-06-08 09:27 AM |
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i don't have the link handy |
Scout |
Jun-06-08 02:04 PM |
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Read up on the Chimps, That is NOT how chimp live and love. |
happyslug |
Jun-06-08 08:23 PM |
#129 |
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Basic Freudian Insecurity |
Nevernose |
Jun-06-08 10:52 AM |
#100 |
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Usually either personal feelings or religion |
rebecca_herman |
Jun-07-08 07:41 PM |
#139 |
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The woman, |
Pharlo |
Jun-05-08 06:43 PM |
#62 |
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Was he a virgin? |
JNelson6563 |
Jun-06-08 04:42 AM |
#75 |
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This only makes sense if she also wanted the divorce |
supernova |
Jun-06-08 08:22 AM |
#80 |
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Maybe I'm crazy but I just don't see a problem here |
no limit |
Jun-06-08 08:49 AM |
#84 |
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Thank you.......Finally a commonsense post |
Fluffdaddy |
Jun-06-08 09:37 AM |
#93 |
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Except, do we know she lied? |
KitSileya |
Jun-06-08 10:55 AM |
#101 |
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She DID Lie!!! And ADMITS IT!!!!!!!!! |
qwlauren35 |
Jun-06-08 12:07 PM |
#107 |
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without going into a criticism of differing beliefs, I always wondered why |
Lerkfish |
Jun-06-08 09:15 AM |
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What I wanna know is ... WHAT do the FREEPERS think? |
UNCLE_Rico |
Jun-06-08 12:00 PM |
#105 |
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An annullment |
Dorian Gray |
Jun-06-08 12:04 PM |
#106 |
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Was the husband a Virgin? |
KCdemocrat |
Jun-06-08 03:50 PM |
#121 |
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you know the answer to those questions, i bet! n/t |
Scout |
Jun-06-08 05:34 PM |
#127 |
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I don't see the big deal....? |
rebecca_herman |
Jun-07-08 07:21 PM |
#135 |
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Commonsense post |
Fluffdaddy |
Jun-08-08 06:39 AM |
#143 |
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