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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:13 AM
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71. It seems that the father raped his own daughter
This headline was later changed, but the Google cache of it is still available. I know this is an intrusion into her privacy (though her life has been ruined so much that the appearance of this on DU can hardly make it worse now), which is probably why it was changed to just 'allegedly raped' with no identification of the relationship, but maybe this will stop the "would it have happened if he wasn't an illegal immigrant" argument here:

10-year-old gives birth; baby's father allegedly raped her

Story Created: May 8, 2008 at 12:27 PM MDT
By Nate Eaton - KIDK
REXBURG - A 10-year-old girl is a mother this week after giving birth to a new baby.

But, this is more than just a sad story from Eastern Idaho - it's likely criminal because officials say the father raped the 10-year-old girl.

Several sources confirm a 10-year-old girl from St. Anthony gave birth to a little girl on Saturday at Madison Memorial Hospital in Rexburg. The girl was allegedly raped by Guadalupe Gutierrez-Juarez, 37, - an illegal immigrant who sits in the Fremont County Jail on rape charges.

Gutierrez-Juarez was arrested April 29 after medical personnel alerted police that a pregnant child had come in for treatment. That child is now one of the youngest mothers in Idaho.

It is all still alleged, of course.
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  -10-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth, Illegal Immigrant Charged with Rape OhioChick  May-08-08 11:17 AM   #0 
  - Yes, these crimes are also committed by legal residents & and citizens of the US  Mike Daniels   May-08-08 11:20 AM   #1 
  - true...but if he was not in the country the little girl would never have been raped.  ORDagnabbit   May-08-08 11:28 AM   #7 
  - A foreign girl would have been... not an improvement in my book. nt  heliarc   May-08-08 12:14 PM   #13 
  - So we have a moral obligation to suffer as much crime as other countries? n/t  lumberjack_jeff   May-09-08 10:35 AM   #77 
     - I didn't say anything about morality...  heliarc   May-09-08 05:31 PM   #92 
     - What you said that a crime that is prevented from occuring in this country...  lumberjack_jeff   May-10-08 11:04 PM   #110 
     - How do you know that he would have committed the crime here or there?  heliarc   May-11-08 02:10 AM   #118 
        - I know he committed the crime here.  lumberjack_jeff   May-11-08 11:11 AM   #121 
           - Are you really arguing that he wouldn't have raped someone he knew?  heliarc   May-12-08 12:22 AM   #126 
     - I don't see myself as any better than anyone else on this planet because I'm American  knixphan   May-11-08 12:21 AM   #111 
        - That's changing the subject  xioaping   May-11-08 12:29 AM   #112 
        - Well that's a good start...  heliarc   May-11-08 02:14 AM   #119 
     - It's to hard to judge by morals when people re-elected a lier in the white house  AlphaCentauri   May-10-08 10:20 AM   #98 
        - With no border control anyone comes in, even rapist  xioaping   May-11-08 12:31 AM   #113 
  - tell me...  neoteric lefty   May-08-08 12:15 PM   #14 
  - I suppose they are implying a disregard for the law  marshall   May-08-08 12:59 PM   #17 
  - Disregard for the immigration laws does not mean disregard of  treestar   May-08-08 01:20 PM   #20 
     - True, I was just referring to the intention of the headline writer  marshall   May-08-08 02:17 PM   #30 
        - Idaho has a long history of migrant farmworkers  depakid   May-08-08 04:04 PM   #54 
  - Like the saying goes..."When in Rome do as the Romans do."  Xenotime   May-10-08 10:14 AM   #97 
     - That is a truly atrocious statement  knight_of_the_star   May-11-08 01:56 AM   #117 
        - You're right... he wasn't on the FLDS camp...  heliarc   May-11-08 02:17 AM   #120 
           - Thank you for playing completely missed the point  knight_of_the_star   May-11-08 02:01 PM   #122 
              - No... I think that I understand the point that quite a few are making...  heliarc   May-11-08 11:51 PM   #124 
                 - Here's why  knight_of_the_star   May-12-08 01:25 AM   #129 
                    - Sounds like an argument for comprehensive immigration reform.  High Plains   May-12-08 01:33 PM   #130 
                       - I'm in favor of regulated immigration  knight_of_the_star   May-12-08 01:46 PM   #133 
                          - My problem with your reforms focus  heliarc   May-13-08 03:42 PM   #145 
  - *Supposing* he's guilty  Dogtown   May-08-08 12:39 PM   #15 
  - Not by that individual  ismnotwasm   May-08-08 12:49 PM   #16 
  - Yes, and if all the Caucasians would go back to Europe, they wouldn't be raping folk here either  struggle4progress   May-08-08 02:25 PM   #31 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-08-08 11:36 PM   #67 
  - Nice troll.... 10 points for lol sarcasm  TalkingDog   May-09-08 05:07 AM   #70 
  - Try a different site  leftynyc   May-09-08 10:30 AM   #76 
  - We have no border control so rapists come in.  xioaping   May-11-08 12:40 AM   #114 
     - The article doesn't list any priors.  heliarc   May-12-08 12:04 AM   #125 
     - Processing centers with relaxed immigration standards but...  xioaping   May-12-08 12:58 AM   #127 
     - No border control? What are you talking about?  High Plains   May-12-08 01:35 PM   #131 
        - I think we agree  xioaping   May-12-08 08:00 PM   #135 
           - I still haven't seen anyone prove that this man was a "known criminal"  heliarc   May-13-08 03:46 PM   #146 
              - I don't think he was  xioaping   May-14-08 12:57 AM   #147 
  - And if the US had not military bases in Japan, local women there wouldn't be raped by base soldiers  struggle4progress   May-08-08 02:40 PM   #39 
  - Booya... Exactly  heliarc   May-08-08 06:19 PM   #62 
     - But it is not that simple  AngryAmish   May-09-08 11:40 AM   #78 
        - "It's broccoli, dear" .... "I say it's spinach, and I say the hell with it"  struggle4progress   May-09-08 03:35 PM   #88 
        - Dada engine?  struggle4progress   May-09-08 03:39 PM   #89 
        - Yeah, what he said: "Lacanist obscurity."  High Plains   May-12-08 01:39 PM   #132 
  - Firefighter arrested on rape and child sexual abuse charges  spotbird   May-09-08 03:01 PM   #85 
  - So full blooded American citizens never rape girls?  proud2Blib   May-12-08 01:50 PM   #134 
  - Child support?  igil   May-08-08 02:29 PM   #33 
  - That little girl will have life long health issues  Warpy   May-08-08 11:20 AM   #2 
  - agreed  Maine-ah   May-08-08 11:26 AM   #4 
  - Statutory rapists need to be prosecuted. Rapists need to be prosecuted.  uppityperson   May-08-08 11:26 AM   #3 
  - Prosecuted?  Texano78704   May-11-08 07:50 PM   #123 
  - Are there any other sources on this?  TheWraith   May-08-08 11:27 AM   #5 
  - Do a quick's everywhere.  OhioChick   May-08-08 11:28 AM   #8 
  - The youngest girl to give birth  Lennon   May-08-08 11:50 AM   #11 
     - wow, I wonder if this 10 year old had a pituitary issue  mikelgb   May-09-08 12:03 PM   #80 
  - not everything about open borders is 'compassion'  barnel   May-08-08 11:27 AM   #6 
  - I would hazard a safe bet...  LanternWaste   May-08-08 12:12 PM   #12 
     - no, it's not  barnel   May-08-08 01:22 PM   #21 
     - I've Never Thought of it That Way.  OhioChick   May-08-08 01:25 PM   #23 
     - and further  barnel   May-08-08 01:35 PM   #24 
     - That's one of the best examples of sophistry I've ever heard  depakid   May-08-08 02:17 PM   #29 
     - actually, that describes what you just did  barnel   May-08-08 02:33 PM   #36 
        - Got a larger category called "critical thinking"  depakid   May-08-08 02:45 PM   #44 
        - you can make a point without accusing  barnel   May-08-08 02:56 PM   #46 
        - Won me over...  heliarc   May-08-08 06:11 PM   #60 
        - Nobody is manipulating anyone  xioaping   May-12-08 08:06 PM   #138 
        - Logic 101 says your are correct n/t  xioaping   May-12-08 08:03 PM   #136 
     - Comparing child rape  ismnotwasm   May-08-08 02:27 PM   #32 
     - the issue is legal standing  barnel   May-08-08 02:41 PM   #40 
        - It's also insane that we place a greater value on imaginary red and blue lines  LanternWaste   May-08-08 03:19 PM   #50 
           - Carlos Slim (of Mexico), richest man in the world thanks you  barnel   May-08-08 03:56 PM   #52 
     - I'm afraid you've lost me--  LanternWaste   May-08-08 02:39 PM   #38 
     - not for being an immigrant  barnel   May-08-08 03:00 PM   #47 
        - So-- we punish him more for being here because he's on the wrong side  LanternWaste   May-08-08 03:18 PM   #49 
        - no more imaginary than the taxes that are collected to defend it  barnel   May-08-08 03:52 PM   #51 
        - That's the whole debate about overpopulation....  bjorkfan   May-08-08 10:53 PM   #65 
           - yes  barnel   May-09-08 09:57 AM   #73 
        - Those lines  np33   May-08-08 04:03 PM   #53 
        - Who cares what side of the border a rapist is on?  treestar   May-10-08 01:33 PM   #103 
           - I don;t want them crossing over onto this side. Do you?  xioaping   May-11-08 12:42 AM   #115 
     - Principle...  heliarc   May-08-08 06:09 PM   #59 
     - What a crock of shit!  Pastiche423   May-08-08 06:35 PM   #63 
        - how is acknowledging legal status 'racism'?  barnel   May-09-08 10:13 AM   #74 
        - I will say any fucking thing I care to  Pastiche423   May-09-08 02:32 PM   #83 
        - Playing the race card on this issue is total bull shit!  xioaping   May-11-08 12:43 AM   #116 
     - Exactly. It is highly suspicious that his immigration status is of  treestar   May-08-08 01:23 PM   #22 
  - You can't ignore that Republicans would not support illegal immigration  ToughLuck   May-08-08 11:34 AM   #9 
  - A child having a child. Will a jury consider that this animal robbed this child of her childhood?  rubberducky   May-08-08 11:35 AM   #10 
  - Why the surprise  mcollier   May-08-08 01:44 PM   #26 
     - Too many children have been sexually abused,  quantessd   May-08-08 02:30 PM   #34 
     - I Agree  OhioChick   May-08-08 02:32 PM   #35 
     - No surprise here. So sad to admit, I`ve been there.  rubberducky   May-09-08 10:22 AM   #75 
  - why in the hell wasn't this girl given an abortion?  Kali   May-08-08 01:12 PM   #18 
  - Too Scared to tell anyone?  One_Life_To_Give   May-08-08 01:41 PM   #25 
  - Either adults kept the pregnancy hidden, or no one knew  rebecca_herman   May-09-08 09:06 PM   #94 
  - By the sound of it, abortion wasn't an option.  Xithras   May-08-08 01:45 PM   #27 
  - I've heard anti-abortion fundies say this before...  MessiahRp   May-08-08 01:15 PM   #19 
  - Well the fact is, now there is a baby  BigDaddy44   May-09-08 12:25 PM   #82 
  - If that's not the most inflammatory headline I've ever heard....  depakid   May-08-08 02:10 PM   #28 
  - Why is the headline inflammatory?  Megahurtz   May-08-08 02:42 PM   #41 
  - Well Said. n/t  OhioChick   May-08-08 02:44 PM   #43 
  - Your emotional reactions prove my point  depakid   May-08-08 02:52 PM   #45 
  - Agreed  np33   May-08-08 04:07 PM   #55 
  - !  Mad_Dem_X   May-08-08 05:28 PM   #57 
  - It conflates two unrelated issues: illegal immigration and rape  Ellen Forradalom   May-08-08 11:03 PM   #66 
  - And based on some of the reaction here and in other site comments, quite effective.  Gormy Cuss   May-08-08 03:10 PM   #48 
  - It sure is - Suppose the girl is an illegal, too?  kskiska   May-08-08 04:27 PM   #56 
  - It can be read as conflating two separate issues I guess  nam78_two   May-09-08 12:13 AM   #69 
  - OK...question...who in THE HELL allows their 10 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER to carry a child to term?  SunDrop23   May-08-08 02:39 PM   #37 
  - I was thinking the exact same thing!  Megahurtz   May-08-08 02:43 PM   #42 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-09-08 12:08 AM   #68 
  - It seems that the father raped his own daughter  muriel_volestrangler   May-09-08 07:13 AM   #71 
  - That doesn't say the 10 yr old's father is the rapist. n/t  sfexpat2000   May-09-08 03:11 PM   #86 
     - You're right - my apologies  muriel_volestrangler   May-09-08 07:20 PM   #93 
        - Understandable. The writing is a little clunky.  sfexpat2000   May-10-08 11:34 AM   #99 
           - Other reports have danced around the issue of whether he was known to the girl, but perhaps so.  Gormy Cuss   May-10-08 02:11 PM   #104 
              - Oh, lord.  sfexpat2000   May-10-08 02:21 PM   #105 
  - Do we know for a fact that parents knew?  rebecca_herman   May-09-08 09:12 PM   #95 
  - What if the parents wanted the girl  Yupster   May-13-08 12:23 AM   #144 
  - Were the parents aware of their child's pregnancy ?  Flagg   May-08-08 05:36 PM   #58 
  - WAIT for the DNA test. It could be the girl's relative, in hiding  OKthatsIT   May-08-08 06:13 PM   #61 
  - On the news last night  Pastiche423   May-08-08 06:39 PM   #64 
  - Ah, but how do we know the DNA wasn't planted?  HypnoToad   May-10-08 12:41 PM   #101 
  - The rape is awful  Dorian Gray   May-09-08 07:32 AM   #72 
  - wow, I never knew girls could concieve so young...  mikelgb   May-09-08 11:43 AM   #79 
  - ... they can now ...  Myrina   May-09-08 12:09 PM   #81 
     - Actually, it's probably the other way around.  sfexpat2000   May-09-08 03:14 PM   #87 
     - For what it's worth  HockeyMom   May-10-08 03:12 PM   #107 
  - All people who do these crimes should be put in jail for life as far as I am concerned  GetTheRightVote   May-09-08 02:36 PM   #84 
  - Hope the girl and baby are ok. And I want to see a DNA test.  BlooInBloo   May-09-08 03:39 PM   #90 
  - What in the name of god does his immigration status have to do with him being a scuzzy rapist?  KamaAina   May-09-08 04:07 PM   #91 
  - I think the OP must have been pointing out that this person became a rapist while living here...  whopis01   May-10-08 08:08 AM   #96 
     - An interesting observation... I have to wonder,  HypnoToad   May-10-08 12:42 PM   #102 
     - The "OP" wasn't pointing out anything  OhioChick   May-10-08 10:42 PM   #109 
  - Extremely awful.  HypnoToad   May-10-08 12:38 PM   #100 
  - This story is very popular in Free Republic  morkalienfrommars   May-10-08 03:07 PM   #106 
     - Why would you be interested in "my" background?  OhioChick   May-10-08 10:39 PM   #108 
     - what point are you trying to make?  xioaping   May-12-08 12:59 AM   #128 
        - Isn't it obvious?  depakid   May-12-08 08:04 PM   #137 
           - thanks for explanation. Can we talk about China now  xioaping   May-12-08 08:10 PM   #139 
           - That's probably true in some ways too  depakid   May-12-08 08:21 PM   #140 
           - ???  OhioChick   May-12-08 08:31 PM   #141 
              - No worries, I wasn't referring to you as the OP  depakid   May-12-08 08:42 PM   #142 
                 - Oh.....I'm Sorry  OhioChick   May-12-08 08:55 PM   #143 

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