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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:19 AM
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87. the problem is that if a lot of corporate pension funds have this cr*p in their
portfolios, I think corporations will freeze their pension plans, terminate them, and/or somehow manage to turn the plans over to the PBGC.

The state and municipal plans that have this stuff will have to find ways to increase funding -- less services, more taxes, etc.

Not good, not good.
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     - the problem is that if a lot of corporate pension funds have this cr*p in their  antigop   Mar-13-08 09:19 AM   #87 
        - The real problem is that a lot of government pension plans  Warpy   Mar-13-08 09:35 AM   #91 
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  - Ohhh! ... 'prop it up'  Prag   Mar-13-08 03:56 PM   #174 
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     - I call them the contra-government  UpInArms   Mar-13-08 05:06 PM   #198 
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        - yep  UpInArms   Mar-13-08 05:51 PM   #205 
     - HAL-LO!  Karenina   Mar-13-08 05:30 PM   #201 
  - and I was certain I heard it as  UpInArms   Mar-13-08 04:51 PM   #192 
     - Where Is That Picture From?  DemocratInSoCal   Mar-13-08 05:00 PM   #196 
        - that and more are found here  UpInArms   Mar-13-08 05:10 PM   #200 
           - great link  DemReadingDU   Mar-13-08 05:45 PM   #204 
  - By massive forex operations, blowing euros, yen, whatever to purchase dollars  Ghost Dog   Mar-13-08 03:58 PM   #176 
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     - Inflation. n/t  Ghost Dog   Mar-13-08 04:18 PM   #182 
        - I was cruising thru the wiki link  DemReadingDU   Mar-13-08 04:35 PM   #187 
        - Sorry, I was called away  Ghost Dog   Mar-13-08 04:46 PM   #189 
           - Thank you  DemReadingDU   Mar-13-08 05:03 PM   #197 
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