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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #78
161. Frankly I'm stunned by your comments.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 02:01 PM by superconnected
A few books you may want to read:

#1 above all else, The social Contract by Rosseau - it explains the foundation of all governments and also explains that the people elected will always abuse privilige, end up being run by the rich, and try to take over. It's in their best interest.

2. Orwells 1984.
3. Orwells animal farm - not like 1984 but explains the abuse by the people in charge.
4. Atwells the handmaids tale - not like the movie, the movie was glorification of sex the book was politically oriented and inspired from what atwell saw happen in afghanistan when women lost their rights - yes they were very westernized and we even had the olympics there in the 80's, women wore short dresses etc. and it was all taken away.

It would help if you examine the progress of antisemitism with the nazis and the major abuses that could follow with just having the information of what tatoos people have should this ever become a facist (insert any religion) state. Or even if we become a facist rw country where we have no tolerance for liberals or their tatoos.

Those amendments are there to protect us in the future. There is severely higher thought given to them than the immediate "police could use the information to catch crimials." I certianly hope you start investigating the higher reasoning behind those amendments. Had we not had them we would have been a completely facist state by now. You are suggesting we get rid of them and that naievity is scary. It's exactly the mentality our forefathers warned us to be vigilant against.
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  -FBI wants palm prints, eye scans, tattoo mapping derby378  Feb-04-08 04:00 PM   #0 
  - I'm gonna get a new tattoo around my asshole just for the occasion.  xultar   Feb-04-08 04:03 PM   #1 
  - Don't tell me you're gonna comply?  derby378   Feb-04-08 04:05 PM   #2 
  - They wanna send someone over to study my asshole fine with me. Best action I'll  xultar   Feb-04-08 04:09 PM   #5 
     - Oh, poo.  Fridays Child   Feb-04-08 04:22 PM   #13 
  - Good answer!  Prag   Feb-04-08 04:07 PM   #4 
  - Thanks for the idea  Winebrat   Feb-04-08 06:02 PM   #50 
  - Ass-tats  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 07:23 PM   #77 
  - Ass-tats to confound the ass-hats.  Seabiscuit   Feb-04-08 07:29 PM   #81 
     - Good one!  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 07:30 PM   #82 
  - Oh god, xultar. That is sooo funny. :-D I however will never comply.  roguevalley   Feb-05-08 02:47 PM   #162 
  - This one?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Feb-05-08 03:23 PM   #167 
  - If it says PWNED I'll offer to pay for it  XemaSab   Feb-07-08 09:05 PM   #210 
  - I think it a good idea. Think of the criminals who will not commit a crime for fear  applegrove   Feb-04-08 04:07 PM   #3 
  - Think of all the innocent people apprehended because of computer glitches  derby378   Feb-04-08 04:15 PM   #9 
  - They use fingerprinting already. The iris scan will likely be used for  applegrove   Feb-04-08 04:20 PM   #11 
  - as a criminal  reggie the dog   Feb-04-08 04:52 PM   #30 
  - Canabis isn't that big a deal. But what about the meth dealers. Do they  applegrove   Feb-04-08 04:59 PM   #31 
     - meth dealers hurt no one  reggie the dog   Feb-04-08 05:22 PM   #38 
     - Sure meth dealers "hurt no one"  JulieRB   Feb-04-08 08:51 PM   #106 
        - I agree.  applegrove   Feb-05-08 09:15 AM   #137 
        - selling or making?  reggie the dog   Feb-05-08 01:40 PM   #158 
           - Oh, gosh, then why doesn't everyone do it?  JulieRB   Feb-05-08 01:54 PM   #160 
              - I never endorsed it  reggie the dog   Feb-05-08 02:57 PM   #164 
     - Please post your photo, your Social Security Number, your DOB, your address, et cetera.  Gormy Cuss   Feb-04-08 05:25 PM   #39 
     - What airports are doing virus scans?  iaviate1   Feb-04-08 09:02 PM   #109 
     - Gosh applegrove I become more embarrassed for you at every post  ooglymoogly   Feb-05-08 05:33 PM   #177 
        - You can disagree with me without labeling me.  applegrove   Feb-06-08 10:39 AM   #186 
           - you see applegrove you have just proven the point of many of the  ooglymoogly   Feb-06-08 04:08 PM   #196 
              - By labeling me I meant that you were calling me a name "an embarrasment" in order  applegrove   Feb-06-08 04:30 PM   #198 
                 - imagine for a moment that I am the uber ales, the unchallenged furor of all I survey  ooglymoogly   Feb-06-08 05:28 PM   #202 
                    - I don't see such a distopian society in your or my future. The pendulum  applegrove   Feb-06-08 05:54 PM   #203 
  - Think about this for just a moment...you are in a "data base",  rasputin1952   Feb-04-08 11:40 PM   #126 
  - No, wait, let me guess.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Feb-06-08 03:02 PM   #190 
     - I fear criminals (not in general). I fear terrorists will try and blow up a subway in Canada.  applegrove   Feb-06-08 04:27 PM   #197 
        - I'll parse the meaningless platitudes and take that as a yes. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Feb-07-08 07:28 AM   #206 
           - yes.  applegrove   Feb-07-08 05:00 PM   #207 
  - Brazil becomes more and more relavent...  OwnedByFerrets   Feb-04-08 10:42 PM   #122 
  - Yeah. And think of how easy it will become for the powers that be to  kestrel91316   Feb-04-08 04:18 PM   #10 
  - I'm a law and order babe. Life experience has brought me to this point.  applegrove   Feb-04-08 04:22 PM   #12 
  - then by all means give them all  xxqqqzme   Feb-04-08 04:30 PM   #18 
  - If they want private info about me, they can damned well ask a judge  kestrel91316   Feb-04-08 04:34 PM   #20 
  - True, law and order folks often overlook that as though the cops  treestar   Feb-04-08 06:03 PM   #51 
  - Rent Gattica some time.  grace0418   Feb-04-08 04:51 PM   #29 
  - I guess you'd have been a good German then.  alarimer   Feb-04-08 05:29 PM   #41 
  - Oh boy. Do you really think there are criminals in charge of the FBI?  applegrove   Feb-04-08 05:43 PM   #43 
     - Do you really think they are all angels?  treestar   Feb-04-08 06:04 PM   #52 
     - And do you believe in the Easter Bunny?  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 06:13 PM   #55 
     - Yup Cheney and Bonzo are in charge. But only for another year.  applegrove   Feb-04-08 07:09 PM   #68 
        - I'll only believe it when it happens n/t  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 07:24 PM   #78 
        - Frankly I'm stunned by your comments.  superconnected   Feb-05-08 01:54 PM   #161 
           - ?  vanboggie   Feb-05-08 05:04 PM   #173 
              - Yes, I replied to the wrong post. I was replying to the gal that has no problem  superconnected   Feb-05-08 06:40 PM   #180 
        - Even if they do leave DC voluntarily...  derby378   Feb-05-08 03:00 PM   #165 
     - Absolutely  alarimer   Feb-04-08 07:38 PM   #88 
     - Oh my god  varelse   Feb-04-08 09:07 PM   #111 
     - There have been in the past. Why not now?  NCevilDUer   Feb-04-08 10:03 PM   #117 
     - And why not in the future?  moggie   Feb-05-08 07:13 AM   #130 
     - Here you go:  Nabeshin   Feb-04-08 10:12 PM   #119 
  - There are many countries you could go to  treestar   Feb-04-08 06:01 PM   #48 
  - That's something I haven't seen on DU till now  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 06:17 PM   #57 
  - It's okay. I take no offense. I'm Canadian anyway. But my internet  applegrove   Feb-04-08 07:12 PM   #69 
  - I don't agree  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 07:28 PM   #79 
  - I hate neocons as much if not more than the next guy. What does Iris  applegrove   Feb-04-08 07:32 PM   #84 
     - I hope you're right  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 07:33 PM   #85 
     - but the powers that propped them and every other fascist movement  zonmoy   Feb-04-08 07:51 PM   #92 
     - here is a question  fenriswolf   Feb-04-08 09:14 PM   #113 
     - He who would sacrafice essential freedoms for temporary security  NCevilDUer   Feb-04-08 10:10 PM   #118 
  - As a Canadian you do not have anything to worry about  alarimer   Feb-04-08 07:40 PM   #90 
  - Perhaps so. Though we do have neocons in power who are showing themselves  applegrove   Feb-05-08 09:14 AM   #135 
  - Love Canada  Bluenorthwest   Feb-04-08 09:02 PM   #110 
  - I disagree  reggie the dog   Feb-05-08 05:10 PM   #174 
  - You are the second Canadian I have encountered on this board  NoSheep   Feb-06-08 03:41 PM   #192 
     - No i don't have access to capital. I'm not worried about a wrongful  applegrove   Feb-06-08 04:34 PM   #199 
        - I appreciate your response.  NoSheep   Feb-06-08 05:00 PM   #201 
  - That person didn't say leave the country, they suggested you'd be  superconnected   Feb-05-08 03:43 PM   #169 
  - Are you kidding?  treestar   Feb-05-08 07:43 PM   #181 
  - With that kind of "freedom" I'd rather be dead n/t  alarimer   Feb-04-08 07:39 PM   #89 
  - Right.  NOLALady   Feb-04-08 06:16 PM   #56 
  - There are only about 17 bad apples at the top of the Bush Admin. They recycle  applegrove   Feb-04-08 07:13 PM   #70 
     - LOL, your naivet would be amusing if it weren't so dangerous...  Solon   Feb-05-08 05:47 PM   #179 
  - Translation:  Nabeshin   Feb-04-08 10:20 PM   #120 
  - I just want law enforcement to have some tools. I agree more death  applegrove   Feb-05-08 09:13 AM   #134 
     - "But we don't face totalitarian governments..." YET! (nt)  jaybeat   Feb-05-08 12:27 PM   #148 
  - Law and order like apartheid? Like Jim Crow? Like Nazi Germany?  NoSheep   Feb-05-08 03:14 PM   #166 
     - I consider all those things you mentioned horrendous. I just think the  applegrove   Feb-05-08 04:06 PM   #170 
        - Law and order a science? I think it's more like a psychoactive substance found in nature  NoSheep   Feb-06-08 12:30 PM   #187 
           - Well we don't agree on how invasive that will be. That's fine. We will just  applegrove   Feb-06-08 01:28 PM   #188 
              - Well put. For a fascist.  NoSheep   Feb-06-08 03:32 PM   #191 
                 - I simply feel that with the next President your country will be back on  applegrove   Feb-06-08 04:03 PM   #195 
  - Ben Franklin is raising a tankard of beer in your honor...  derby378   Feb-04-08 04:23 PM   #14 
  - Ben was one very cool old dude.  kestrel91316   Feb-04-08 04:35 PM   #21 
  - Thank You... (nt)  fascisthunter   Feb-04-08 04:25 PM   #17 
  - That presupposes that criminals 'think'.  NCevilDUer   Feb-04-08 04:37 PM   #22 
  - Exactly! My god, to fall for that argument one has to be very  treestar   Feb-04-08 06:02 PM   #49 
  - .  kgfnally   Feb-04-08 05:21 PM   #35 
  - applegrove  Diclotican   Feb-04-08 05:21 PM   #37 
  - I don't think that a record of an iris scan or a palm print is spying on you.  applegrove   Feb-04-08 07:15 PM   #71 
     - Yep, You're Probably Right, But...  jayfish   Feb-04-08 08:04 PM   #96 
     - applegrove  Diclotican   Feb-04-08 08:14 PM   #100 
     - Your english is very good. I understood perfectly what you were saying.  applegrove   Feb-05-08 09:11 AM   #133 
        - what virus  reggie the dog   Feb-05-08 05:12 PM   #175 
     - And of course, prosecutors NEVER lie to get the person they want. nt  NCevilDUer   Feb-05-08 10:41 AM   #141 
  - That has never worked  treestar   Feb-04-08 06:00 PM   #46 
  - Unfortunately I'm not young or naive when it comes to criminals. At least  applegrove   Feb-04-08 07:16 PM   #72 
     - The mere fact that you would trade your two pets for anything  ooglymoogly   Feb-04-08 07:21 PM   #76 
     - What is a churman! And obviously trading my two cats was just an expression.  applegrove   Feb-04-08 07:29 PM   #80 
        - Try saying german with a german accent.  ooglymoogly   Feb-04-08 07:56 PM   #95 
     - You've fallen for the fear meme  treestar   Feb-05-08 07:46 PM   #182 
  - God you are thick applegrove  ooglymoogly   Feb-04-08 07:03 PM   #65 
  - You are aware they were talking only about iris scans and palm prints.  applegrove   Feb-04-08 07:18 PM   #75 
     - Just trust us. We will only use it for good....not to round up all the "undesirables"  ooglymoogly   Feb-04-08 07:31 PM   #83 
     - I think there was a culture of personality around the WH in the first  applegrove   Feb-04-08 07:34 PM   #86 
        - Yes you are right. We need to keep a close watch on all those  ooglymoogly   Feb-04-08 07:53 PM   #93 
           - I still don't get how an iris scan and palm print will mean people will  applegrove   Feb-05-08 09:06 AM   #132 
              - Think cameras all over the place as is happening in England.  ooglymoogly   Feb-05-08 12:52 PM   #151 
     - How about human scents?  tuckessee   Feb-04-08 09:30 PM   #114 
     - You are aware that totalitarianism doesn't start with death camps,  NCevilDUer   Feb-05-08 10:31 AM   #139 
        - So the police have to stop right now ...with the present technology...forever?  applegrove   Feb-05-08 11:13 AM   #142 
           - Not if they ever expect to achieve their life long wet dream of a  ooglymoogly   Feb-05-08 01:02 PM   #153 
  - Think of the precedent  JerseygirlCT   Feb-04-08 07:05 PM   #67 
  - I hate to hear you say that.  madfloridian   Feb-04-08 08:35 PM   #102 
  - I'm not talking about totalitarianism. I'm talking about a iris scan for  applegrove   Feb-05-08 11:16 AM   #143 
     - You ARE talking about a great way to get there.  jaybeat   Feb-05-08 12:35 PM   #149 
  - Holy Christ on a kebab with tzatziki sauce...  Barrymores Ghost   Feb-04-08 10:25 PM   #121 
  - I'm not an american citizen. I was a victim of a crime though. Makes me  applegrove   Feb-05-08 11:19 AM   #144 
     - Being a victim of crime doesn't somehow grant you membership into an elite club...  Barrymores Ghost   Feb-05-08 12:39 PM   #150 
        - Harsh words. But you have a right to your opinion. As do I. I never said  applegrove   Feb-05-08 12:53 PM   #152 
           - I will only suggest one thing, then I'll leave you in peace....  Barrymores Ghost   Feb-05-08 01:30 PM   #157 
              - I don't trust the neocons either. But I don't think that modernizing security  applegrove   Feb-05-08 02:49 PM   #163 
  - Bullshit. Many crimes are committed by people who don't give a shit if they get caught...  Elrond Hubbard   Feb-04-08 10:44 PM   #123 
  - I'm glad that you approve of the fascist police state  Paint It Black   Feb-04-08 11:43 PM   #127 
  - An iris scan may keep some terrorists from travelling. Knowing your  applegrove   Feb-05-08 11:20 AM   #145 
     - You just answered your own argument. "The worst ones plan ahead".  NoSheep   Feb-06-08 03:47 PM   #193 
        - I'm so sorry your present President has scared you so much. I agree  applegrove   Feb-06-08 04:48 PM   #200 
           - Would it be presumptuous of me to ask if you have ever seen this?  NoSheep   Feb-06-08 06:15 PM   #204 
              - Project for a New American Century isn't a conspiracy cause they  applegrove   Feb-06-08 06:50 PM   #205 
  - Then you can go do it, but leave the rest of us out of this.  The Stranger   Feb-05-08 09:18 AM   #138 
     - I'm already on file because my parent's house was robbed as a teen  applegrove   Feb-05-08 11:22 AM   #146 
  - You'll get nothing from me Big Brother.  tridim   Feb-04-08 04:12 PM   #6 
  - How much of this eavesdropping/database/SPYING shit  dbt   Feb-04-08 04:12 PM   #7 
  - All of them - this is from The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein  Hestia   Feb-04-08 07:55 PM   #94 
  - Time to invest in that short pulse laser that removes tatoos. eom  Fridays Child   Feb-04-08 04:15 PM   #8 
  - BREAKING: FBI Want us all to Wear Dress Code  fascisthunter   Feb-04-08 04:24 PM   #15 
  - I was at O'Hare last year when a woman walked up in a red fishnet leotard.  TomInTib   Feb-04-08 04:34 PM   #19 
     - oy.... Was it Because of What She was Wearing?  fascisthunter   Feb-04-08 05:18 PM   #34 
        - She was totally naked beneath it.  TomInTib   Feb-04-08 11:15 PM   #125 
           - Jayzus...lol  fascisthunter   Feb-05-08 09:15 AM   #136 
  - "People who don't think mistakes are going to be made I don't think fly enough,"  TomInTib   Feb-04-08 04:25 PM   #16 
  - Man, I'd be dead meat.  elocs   Feb-04-08 04:38 PM   #23 
  - Didn't the Nazi's tattoo Jews?  liberal N proud   Feb-04-08 04:42 PM   #24 
  - The incompetent always want more power to cover their incompetence.  Orsino   Feb-04-08 04:45 PM   #25 
  - Pardon my language, but...  kimmylavin   Feb-04-08 04:45 PM   #26 
  - Just visited freeperville to check reaction, nothing posted yet, but some rapture fans said:  nickyt   Feb-04-08 04:46 PM   #27 
  - I think a "sprit" must be a dead Moran  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 06:10 PM   #54 
  - who is the bride??  Blue_Tires   Feb-05-08 01:24 PM   #156 
  - I honestly didn't realize that the criminal and terror problem was so pervasive in this country.  1monster   Feb-04-08 04:48 PM   #28 
  - All while the real criminals in this country sit comfortably in the White House...  EOO   Feb-04-08 08:43 PM   #104 
  - That was one scary read.  Lone_Star_Dem   Feb-04-08 05:05 PM   #32 
  - Map this:  Earth_First   Feb-04-08 05:13 PM   #33 
  - I am not afraid of terrorists. Im afraid of cops and the other drivers on the road next to me.  L0oniX   Feb-04-08 05:21 PM   #36 
  - Over my dead bodfy, you fascists.  alarimer   Feb-04-08 05:26 PM   #40 
  - We'll get you yet, Emmanuel Goldstein!!!  Defenestrate   Feb-04-08 05:39 PM   #42 
  - And the contract will be awarded to ...  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 05:49 PM   #44 
  - So it does nothing about native born terrorists  treestar   Feb-04-08 05:59 PM   #45 
  - They'll get my fingerprints  NOLALady   Feb-04-08 06:00 PM   #47 
  - The only terrorist most Americans will ever encounter is a policeman  Twist_U_Up   Feb-04-08 06:08 PM   #53 
  - Hey, if you don't like the idea, it must mean you're a TURRAIST! Or one a them dirty libburels, that  Redstone   Feb-04-08 06:20 PM   #58 
  - Freedom aint free and dont choo ferget it. Terrrst.  NoSheep   Feb-06-08 03:53 PM   #194 
  - How Much  whatdoyouthink   Feb-04-08 06:20 PM   #59 
  - Doesn't IBM have a system from the 1930s that's all ready to go for this sort of thing?  high density   Feb-04-08 06:21 PM   #60 
  - They can WANT to do anything! They can want to tattoo my big white ass, but if they think they're  Sam Ervin jret   Feb-04-08 06:24 PM   #61 
  - If you oppose this, you are a terrorist  jaybeat   Feb-04-08 06:43 PM   #62 
  - Not just NO..... HELL NO.  AzDar   Feb-04-08 06:48 PM   #63 
  - NO FREAKIN' WAY!  caseycoon   Feb-04-08 06:51 PM   #64 
  - They can try it and I'll give them a tattoo to scan on them  Neo   Feb-04-08 07:03 PM   #66 
  - The most likely way they will implement this is  ooglymoogly   Feb-05-08 01:42 PM   #159 
  - They have this kind of money for this kind of nazi crap and they  ooglymoogly   Feb-04-08 07:16 PM   #73 
  - the fbi  Vattel   Feb-04-08 07:16 PM   #74 
  - so they're not just Female Body Inspectors?  Algorem   Feb-04-08 07:35 PM   #87 
  - Well, now I'll never get a tattoo.  John Gauger   Feb-04-08 07:41 PM   #91 
  - I'll shave my fingertips before I let the feds touch me  Journalgrrl   Feb-04-08 08:38 PM   #103 
  - Hell!!! Wouldn't it be nice to have Kenneth Lays/Barbara Olsen's palm/eye scan  goforit   Feb-04-08 08:06 PM   #97 
  - This is fascist technocracy at it's worst.. Your children and their  Lint Head   Feb-04-08 08:08 PM   #98 
  - Screw Disney Land... America: The world's first and largest authoritarian, fascist fantasy camp.  Mojambo   Feb-04-08 08:14 PM   #99 
  - Comrade Citizens, I find your responses most un-American  MikeNearMcChord   Feb-04-08 08:26 PM   #101 
  - This makes me want to get a tattoo of a giant middle finger going across my back.  EOO   Feb-04-08 08:44 PM   #105 
  - Oh for the good old days when I used to think that you had nothing to worry about  143tbone   Feb-04-08 08:58 PM   #107 
  - The times they are a-changin  Sees Clearly   Feb-04-08 08:59 PM   #108 
  - I would say we have become a nation of paranoids.  JDPriestly   Feb-04-08 09:11 PM   #112 
  - "Minority Report" has just become reality.  Wednesdays   Feb-04-08 09:41 PM   #115 
  - Keeping the Good American safe!  LynnTheDem   Feb-04-08 09:57 PM   #116 
  - STRIP SEARCH  Oreegone   Feb-04-08 11:11 PM   #124 
  - Gross violation of the Fourth Amendment. The ACLU should sue.  seawolf   Feb-05-08 02:19 AM   #128 
  - there will come a time when all Americans will be required to have radio frequency implants . . .  OneBlueSky   Feb-05-08 04:01 AM   #129 
  - Two words--POLICE STATE- n/t  allisonthegreat   Feb-05-08 07:31 AM   #131 
  - Yep! And it's in the name of "protecting" us from terrorism.  superconnected   Feb-05-08 01:10 PM   #154 
  - So WHO'S gonna get the big contract?  TXDemGal   Feb-05-08 10:40 AM   #140 
  - Ding Ding Ding!! We have a winner!  mnhtnbb   Feb-05-08 01:19 PM   #155 
  - Time for the fake tats  raebrek   Feb-05-08 11:40 AM   #147 
  - I already have a bunch of real ones.  quantessd   Feb-05-08 03:25 PM   #168 
  - F**k 'em! Even with all this "new intelligence..."  KansDem   Feb-05-08 04:18 PM   #171 
  - You mean PRIVATIZED INTEL, don't you?  OKthatsIT   Feb-05-08 08:16 PM   #184 
  - And when the government is done cataloging the sheeple, the new  Jesuswasntafascist   Feb-05-08 04:25 PM   #172 
  - So, when do they take our souls?  katty   Feb-05-08 05:12 PM   #176 
  - you need to go to your local church (owned and operated by the GOP)  ooglymoogly   Feb-05-08 05:36 PM   #178 
  - FBI has some chutzpah saying they're working for the USA  OKthatsIT   Feb-05-08 08:06 PM   #183 
  - Next: Keeping People in Man-Sized Safes.  sakabatou   Feb-06-08 10:36 AM   #185 
  - ttt  Blue_Tires   Feb-06-08 02:55 PM   #189 
  - "Criminal" is the new "terrah," it seems...  benEzra   Feb-07-08 05:04 PM   #208 
  - Looney Tunes world Elmer Fudd....  sattahipdeep   Feb-08-08 10:22 AM   #212 
  - The FBI can kiss my American ass. They work for me. n/t  dogfacedboy   Feb-07-08 08:59 PM   #209 
  - Does anyone really think the Prez wannabes will oppose this?  tuckessee   Feb-07-08 10:07 PM   #211 
 

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