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151. I am not in favor of status quo
and I am strongly in favor of the Progressive caucus taking the reins or the control of the Democrats in congress, for example.
My opinion is that Moveon endorsing Obama is helpful to him in the primary and dangerous for him in the general election. The corporate media will twist it into something bad; and there will be rightwing ads attacking the fact that the 'far-left' group Moveon endorses Obama. Obama is playing to the center effectively, and I personally have heard from moderate republicans who like Obama and will vote for him even though they voted for Bush TWICE.

If it works, great. I remember CNN's creation of the 'Dean scream', the swiftboat attacks against Kerry, the distortion of comments made by Gore, etc. The corporate media is the enemy of progress and its viewers are easily duped.
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  -Big News - MoveOn.org To Work For Obama mefoolonhill  Feb-01-08 11:29 AM   #0 
  - Is this true???  norwespatriot   Feb-01-08 11:33 AM   #1 
  - If so, it's news to me. The VRWC would have had her for breakfast during the impeachment....  Hekate   Feb-01-08 12:33 PM   #19 
  - Yes. Even CNN radio news was reporting it this afternoon  AllyCat   Feb-01-08 01:37 PM   #23 
     - You have that slightly wrong.  discerning christian   Feb-01-08 01:49 PM   #26 
     - They CANNOT by LAW as a 501(c)(4) Endorse ANY candidate..  Tellurian   Feb-01-08 05:12 PM   #64 
     - Maybe thier lawyers know something you don't?  D23MIURG23   Feb-01-08 05:35 PM   #67 
     - Well let them sue their lawyers.. The IRS doesn't budge for anyone..  Tellurian   Feb-01-08 05:38 PM   #69 
        - It seems to me that they have endorsed candidates before  D23MIURG23   Feb-01-08 05:46 PM   #72 
        - I don't believe I've ever heard of them actively campaigning for a candidate before..  Tellurian   Feb-01-08 05:55 PM   #76 
           - They worked to get Kerry elected during the 2004 election. nt  I Have A Dream   Feb-01-08 07:01 PM   #92 
           - HA!  Tellurian   Feb-01-08 07:04 PM   #95 
           - That was after he was nominated. They ran ads against  juajen   Feb-01-08 07:28 PM   #108 
           - Yes, I'm talking about the general election. I worked as my voting...  I Have A Dream   Feb-02-08 01:59 PM   #160 
           - In 2004 MoveOn was much better organized in Florida than the Kerry campaign was. nt  bushmeat   Feb-01-08 07:29 PM   #109 
              - They certainly were. The local Dems absolutely  MadAnne   Feb-01-08 09:08 PM   #133 
              - I feel that the same was true in Pennsylvania. nt  I Have A Dream   Feb-02-08 02:00 PM   #161 
           - Like the Republicans and DLC wouldn't sink their teeth in at the first opening  D23MIURG23   Feb-01-08 07:31 PM   #110 
           - Well they sent us all voer the country to get out the vote for kerry in 2004. It was a great  robinlynne   Feb-01-08 11:33 PM   #147 
        - LOL, I imagine they know how they are going to be doing this. I wouldn't worry  EV_Ares   Feb-01-08 08:16 PM   #126 
     - Good........and they lost me as a member.  Gin   Feb-01-08 05:50 PM   #74 
     - Is that what you're going to say to the Democratic party  tabasco   Feb-01-08 06:05 PM   #77 
     - Does this mean you are mad at Teddy too? eom.  EV_Ares   Feb-01-08 08:17 PM   #127 
     - Actually, their PAC can endorse candidates...  rdmtimp   Feb-01-08 06:13 PM   #79 
     - I looked it up as well...  Raine1967   Feb-01-08 06:32 PM   #88 
     - It is spelled LOSE not LOOSE moran, and I doubt they are in any trouble here  bushmeat   Feb-01-08 07:28 PM   #107 
     - Here is how they get around that....  ingac70   Feb-01-08 08:03 PM   #121 
     - They have another entity that is a PAC now, and PACs can endorse.  Liberty Belle   Feb-01-08 08:53 PM   #130 
     - What has this to do with my post???  discerning christian   Feb-01-08 10:32 PM   #142 
     - I was under the impression they are a 527  DavidMS   Feb-02-08 05:35 PM   #162 
     - Maybe I'm the ignorant one, but aren't they a 527?  CANDO   Feb-02-08 11:24 PM   #165 
        - They're both - 2 separate legal entities  KevinJ   Feb-02-08 11:51 PM   #169 
     - Faulty memory. I answered such that it was clear that I would NOT  AllyCat   Feb-02-08 12:26 AM   #148 
     - Yeah, I voted but commented that they shouldn't endorse anyone.  krkaufman   Feb-01-08 07:03 PM   #94 
  - So now they're gone hyper partisan ... willing to rip the party apart  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-01-08 11:34 AM   #2 
  - Their members voted  MH1   Feb-01-08 11:37 AM   #3 
  - Big deal. Useless then, useless now ... they pay to play  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-01-08 11:47 AM   #8 
  - that is correct, it had to be at least 2/3rds n/t  nbcouch   Feb-01-08 11:56 AM   #10 
  - WOW !!  discerning christian   Feb-01-08 01:44 PM   #25 
  - I Didn't Get Asked To Vote... They Just Showed Me The Stats AFTER  ChiciB1   Feb-01-08 09:10 PM   #135 
  - actually, Hillary is the one ripping the Party apart. MoveOn is doing its best to save it.  JackORoses   Feb-01-08 03:52 PM   #47 
  - DING DING DING! JackORoses, you're our grand prize winner!  rocknation   Feb-01-08 04:28 PM   #54 
  - Thats right & MoveOn has always done what they could for the party, can't believe  EV_Ares   Feb-01-08 08:18 PM   #128 
  - They're betting on the least-corrupted of the two candidates.  Orsino   Feb-02-08 07:44 AM   #154 
  - Didn't Hillary vote to censure them?  Gonnabuymeagun   Feb-01-08 04:50 PM   #59 
  - Again I have to apologize  Gonnabuymeagun   Feb-01-08 06:16 PM   #81 
     - Your error is understandable, given that Hillary herself said this three days after her vote:  MilesColtrane   Feb-02-08 10:51 AM   #156 
  - LOL....  sendero   Feb-02-08 07:38 AM   #152 
  - so let me get this straight  russian33   Feb-01-08 11:39 AM   #4 
  - Of course..  Duke Newcombe   Feb-01-08 11:41 AM   #6 
  - Right, which is why their principles are so often upheld by Congress...  D23MIURG23   Feb-01-08 03:43 PM   #41 
     - only shows...  Duke Newcombe   Feb-01-08 05:44 PM   #71 
  - Its an endorsement.  D23MIURG23   Feb-01-08 03:36 PM   # 
  - Not good. They should not endorse anyone. MSM will use this to hurt Obama. nt  onehandle   Feb-01-08 11:40 AM   #5 
  - I totally agree.  lostnfound   Feb-01-08 05:01 PM   #61 
     - You're right  quakerboy   Feb-01-08 07:27 PM   #105 
        - I am not in favor of status quo  lostnfound   Feb-02-08 07:20 AM   #151 
  - 3.2 Million Members nationwide; 1.7 million in states voting next Tuesday.  Divernan   Feb-01-08 11:42 AM   #7 
  - Right!  blayne   Feb-01-08 03:47 PM   #43 
  - I tried to send a comment w/out voting ...yeah rite.  Desertrose   Feb-01-08 11:52 AM   #9 
  - Same here, I was NOT pleased.  karlrschneider   Feb-01-08 11:58 AM   #11 
  - Same here.  blayne   Feb-01-08 12:26 PM   #14 
  - I just unsubscribed and left a message for them  Desertrose   Feb-01-08 02:49 PM   #35 
     - I just followed your example..  jbm   Feb-01-08 06:42 PM   #91 
  - I didn't vote either.  murielm99   Feb-01-08 03:19 PM   #36 
  - MoveOn already asked for your voice  KevinJ   Feb-03-08 12:23 AM   #172 
  - Shame.  JoFerret   Feb-01-08 12:24 PM   #12 
  - Who cares?  smiley_glad_hands   Feb-01-08 12:25 PM   #13 
  - Figured.  aquart   Feb-01-08 12:28 PM   #15 
  - Well, it isn't as if we can verify the vote in any way, is it. Funny, how it just  juajen   Feb-01-08 07:38 PM   #113 
  - Lot of snarking here. I joined Censure and Move On during the impeachment fiasco & am a member still  Hekate   Feb-01-08 12:29 PM   #16 
  - Nicely put.  blayne   Feb-01-08 12:32 PM   #17 
  - So, you're saying that the money i donated, if I donated,  juajen   Feb-01-08 07:41 PM   #115 
  - Umm, yes, that's what a PAC is  KevinJ   Feb-02-08 11:12 PM   #163 
  - Of course they told Hillary supporters to screw themselves.  juajen   Feb-01-08 07:49 PM   #118 
     - It's a democracy. It's an election. It's the primaries. Someone loses. Get a grip on yourself  Hekate   Feb-01-08 08:06 PM   #123 
        - Exactly  KevinJ   Feb-02-08 11:21 PM   #164 
  - Bye bye MoveOn.  stimbox   Feb-01-08 12:32 PM   #18 
  - That's your choice  KevinJ   Feb-02-08 11:27 PM   #166 
  - I've already asked them not to send me anymore e-mails..  paganlib   Feb-01-08 12:39 PM   #20 
  - would you mind going into more details on the  Bodhi BloodWave   Feb-01-08 03:44 PM   #42 
  - I Didn't Vote  Crisco   Feb-01-08 12:39 PM   #21 
  - MoveOn  mefoolonhill   Feb-01-08 01:07 PM   #22 
     - This is not breaking news  UALRBSofL   Feb-01-08 01:38 PM   #24 
     - Ah, So MoveOn should be a personal 520? I see...  iantepoot   Feb-01-08 03:56 PM   #49 
     - Wrong. it was a vote by Moveon members.  D23MIURG23   Feb-01-08 07:46 PM   #116 
        - NO IT WAS NOT!! I Was Not Asked To Vote!! They Just Sent An Email  ChiciB1   Feb-01-08 09:15 PM   #136 
           - These reports are confusing the hell out of me  D23MIURG23   Feb-02-08 12:59 AM   #150 
           - Their first couple of notices of the vote ended up in my spam filter. The final one made it through  Hekate   Feb-02-08 11:44 PM   #168 
     - Well said  inMD   Feb-01-08 02:04 PM   #29 
     - Excellently stated  Hekate   Feb-01-08 02:11 PM   #30 
     - ding ding ding!!! bravo! n/t  LaStrega   Feb-01-08 05:20 PM   #65 
     - I agree!  RazBerryBeret   Feb-01-08 05:54 PM   #75 
     - Of Course! You're Absolutely Right  Crisco   Feb-01-08 06:24 PM   #85 
     - Couldn't have said it better myself  Geezus   Feb-01-08 07:09 PM   #97 
  - Who could have foreseen that the anti-war voters would spurn Hillary?  PassingFair   Feb-01-08 02:00 PM   #27 
  - Most members of MoveOn are anti-war. Obama is the right candidate.  catgirl   Feb-01-08 02:03 PM   #28 
  - Obama is anti-war? Since when? Didn't he say he wanted to bomb Pakistan?  krabigirl   Feb-01-08 10:44 PM   #143 
  - This was a massive screw up  Uben   Feb-01-08 02:24 PM   #31 
  - It is a bitter disappointment, but I'm not shocked  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-01-08 02:35 PM   #32 
  - agreed.  politicallore   Feb-01-08 02:46 PM   #34 
  - This ruins the whole point of a unifying effort? dosnt it  politicallore   Feb-01-08 02:41 PM   #33 
  - Funny thing...  SquireJons   Feb-01-08 05:28 PM   #66 
  - You Go MoveOn.org :)  FATCATs   Feb-01-08 03:33 PM   #37 
  - When I questioned MoveOn  RoccoR5955   Feb-01-08 03:35 PM   #38 
  - I've Posted A Couple Of Times Here... My Two Emails Were Sent  ChiciB1   Feb-01-08 09:18 PM   #138 
  - AWESOME. I knew they wouldn't swing behind the DINO/DLC candidate.  NoodleyAppendage   Feb-01-08 03:36 PM   #39 
  - I am finished with move on  Demo5   Feb-01-08 03:41 PM   #40 
  - Good riddance and good luck...clearing your conscience when Clinton tanks in the general.  NoodleyAppendage   Feb-01-08 06:23 PM   #84 
  - Can you really say anyone knows about being president  Geezus   Feb-01-08 07:16 PM   #100 
  - I was never told by them that they would decide who my nominee is.  juajen   Feb-01-08 08:00 PM   #120 
     - Maybe you haven't been reading your emails carefully  KevinJ   Feb-03-08 12:12 AM   #171 
  - MoveOn's decision was DEMOCRACY -- what part don't you get?  iantepoot   Feb-01-08 03:50 PM   #44 
  - What democracy?  MagsDem   Feb-01-08 04:03 PM   #51 
  - "the vote total is about 7% of their total membership"  anamandujano   Feb-01-08 05:06 PM   #63 
  - If you unsubscribe- you can leave a message as to why.  Desertrose   Feb-02-08 12:50 AM   #149 
  - Well said  KevinJ   Feb-02-08 11:33 PM   #167 
  - That's why they call it "people powered politics"  rocknation   Feb-01-08 03:50 PM   #45 
  - Moveon.org rocks!  workinclasszero   Feb-01-08 03:52 PM   #46 
  - If anyone here isn't a member of Move On, this is the email they sent out:  blayne   Feb-01-08 03:54 PM   #48 
  - Oh those horrible haters  D23MIURG23   Feb-01-08 03:57 PM   #50 
  - FYI, Vote results  rocknation   Feb-01-08 04:35 PM   #55 
  - I voted for Hillary and I will still stay with MoveOn.  Shadoobie   Feb-01-08 04:07 PM   #52 
  - Thanks for the info  blogslut   Feb-01-08 04:15 PM   #53 
  - It's iornic that the Moveon organization is endorsing someone other than Clinton.  cat_girl25   Feb-01-08 04:42 PM   #56 
  - It was a democratic vote of the memberhsip  boricua79   Feb-01-08 04:43 PM   #57 
  - Hillary voted to censure Move-on.  Gonnabuymeagun   Feb-01-08 04:48 PM   #58 
  - MOVEON!  mdmc   Feb-01-08 04:56 PM   #60 
  - I have to apologize  Gonnabuymeagun   Feb-01-08 06:15 PM   #80 
  - I see you caught your mistake  blogslut   Feb-01-08 06:20 PM   #83 
     - Hey, I try to be honest.  Gonnabuymeagun   Feb-01-08 07:37 PM   #112 
        - It's cool  blogslut   Feb-01-08 07:46 PM   #117 
  - They've got a pretty good track record of helping the candidates they endorse win.  MilesColtrane   Feb-01-08 05:06 PM   #62 
  - See post #64.. MOVE ON is in for a big surprise.. a Bigger Movement...  Tellurian   Feb-01-08 05:36 PM   #68 
  - As a supporter, this is going to hurt him.  water   Feb-01-08 05:39 PM   #70 
  - Who knows who or what Obama is...  Tellurian   Feb-01-08 05:48 PM   #73 
     - ::sighs:: context is everything  Prayingforrain48   Feb-01-08 06:08 PM   #78 
        - context indeed  beezlebum   Feb-01-08 06:27 PM   #86 
        - Out of curiosity, do you really think that was "praise"?  KevinJ   Feb-03-08 12:01 AM   #170 
        - Look, if Obama can change the context...So can I..  Tellurian   Feb-01-08 07:02 PM   #93 
  - 3,000,000 MoveOn Members did NOT vote for Obama  RetroLounge   Feb-01-08 06:17 PM   #82 
  - True  blogslut   Feb-01-08 06:30 PM   #87 
  - Not all 3.2 million got ballots...  RetroLounge   Feb-01-08 07:08 PM   #96 
     - So, provide me the stats  blogslut   Feb-01-08 07:27 PM   #106 
     - Geez, find it yourself  RetroLounge   Feb-01-08 08:45 PM   #129 
        - No thanks  blogslut   Feb-01-08 08:59 PM   #131 
           - You're a condescending f*ckwit  RetroLounge   Feb-01-08 09:09 PM   #134 
              - Made you lose your cool, didn't I?  blogslut   Feb-01-08 09:19 PM   #139 
                 - Actually no, I was laughing at you  RetroLounge   Feb-01-08 10:26 PM   #141 
                    - Okay  blogslut   Feb-01-08 11:33 PM   #146 
     - Quote from their email linking to my ballot:  MilesColtrane   Feb-02-08 11:05 AM   #157 
  - I Donated to MoveOn, Volunteered in 2004 and voted for MoveOn to endorse Obama  bushmeat   Feb-01-08 07:24 PM   #103 
  - No landslide  Bill Samuel   Feb-01-08 07:39 PM   #114 
  - MoveOn Vote is a Sham!  Been Fishing   Feb-01-08 06:34 PM   #89 
  - this is what we had  bambino   Feb-01-08 07:17 PM   #101 
  - I am so sick of these endorsements  RestoreGore   Feb-01-08 06:41 PM   #90 
  - Bingo! I'm sad to see Move On endorsing corporatists.  superconnected   Feb-01-08 07:12 PM   #99 
  - They better work real hard because their fundraising is gonna suck.  jlake   Feb-01-08 07:10 PM   #98 
  - Well, I just quit MoveOn n/t  qnr   Feb-01-08 07:17 PM   #102 
  - Good news nt  McHatin   Feb-01-08 07:25 PM   #104 
  - I voted for MoveOn to endorse Obama  bushmeat   Feb-01-08 07:31 PM   #111 
     - Me too. I'm surprised that the vote was not even close.  Jersey Ginny   Feb-01-08 07:53 PM   #119 
  - I left the organization today because of it.  BeatleBoot   Feb-01-08 08:05 PM   #122 
  - Who betrayed who?  jyaples   Feb-01-08 08:09 PM   #124 
  - I've been a Moveon member since its beginning and I did not  Vadem   Feb-01-08 08:13 PM   #125 
  - The Only Problem THEY Have Is So Many Of Their Members Have Been  ChiciB1   Feb-01-08 09:06 PM   #132 
  - I wish MoveOn would have had Kucinich, Richardson or Edwards to choose from  texastoast   Feb-01-08 09:16 PM   #137 
  - It did. Everyone did. The people chose the final two. There wasn't much  indie_ana_500   Feb-02-08 07:40 AM   #153 
  - Your thread title violates LBN forums rules; I echo others in that MoveOn shouldn't endorse anyone..  DRoseDARs   Feb-01-08 09:24 PM   #140 
  - Well they just lost this family.  TriMetFan   Feb-01-08 11:04 PM   #144 
  - What better way to move on from the era of their inception?  andyrowe   Feb-01-08 11:23 PM   #145 
  - They will do more harm than good.  bluestdogest   Feb-02-08 10:19 AM   #155 
  - boots on the ground  usregimechange   Feb-02-08 11:28 AM   #158 
  - that's huge..n/t  allisonthegreat   Feb-02-08 12:44 PM   #159 
  - Great news! Great organization!  David Zephyr   Feb-03-08 02:34 AM   #173 
 

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