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128. Bill Clinton and G.H.W. Bush are both involved with Canadian Mining Companies in 3rd World countries
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 01:11 PM by leveymg
The NYT reports today that Former President Bill Clinton operates a foundation with Canadian mining magnate, Frank Giustra. The two are reported to have worked together to seal a uranium mining deal with the President of Khazakstan, who is accused of human rights violations. Clinton, who runs a non-profit foundation with Giustra, is not said to have personally gained from this transaction.

Meanwhile, the Times has failed to provide some important context. Former President G.H.W. Bush, Sr. has made a personal fortune doing business with Barrack Gold, a huge Canadian mining company affiliated with the Carlyle Group. Both former Presidents have, in their different ways, tapped into the $USD trillion global mining industry, based largely in Canada, which operates in the most unstable and underdeveloped regions of the world.

Giustra is a relative newcomer to the global mining business, while Barrack Gold is one of the very largest and oldest global extraction companies, and has long-established ties with conservative politicians in Canada and the United States. Both outfits do business with private military contractors and corrupt Third World dictatorships. These companies are major contributors to "charitable" and "development" agencies that operate in mineral-rich areas of Africa, South America, and Central Asia.

Giustra has partnered with Clinton as a major contributor to a charity that operates in the Third World. This not really a new story. See,

Andy Hoffman
Thursday, June 21, 2007

Former U.S. president Bill Clinton has teamed with a reclusive Vancouver mining financier and a Mexican billionaire to create a massive charitable effort that will see the mining industry channel funds to fight poverty in areas affected by the resource sector.

Frank Giustra, who has made millions for himself and investors financing mining deals, has pledged $100-million (U.S) and half of all his future earnings from the mining business towards the Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative (CGSGI). Carlos Slim Helu, a Mexican billionaire who made his fortune in the telecom industry has also committed $100-million towards the effort, which will initially focus on alleviating poverty and fostering growth in Latin America.

I firmly believe that this innovative partnership between the Clinton Foundation and the business community and the mining industry in particular will have a profound and positive effect on the lives of countless people in the developing world during the months and years ahead, Mr. Giustra, the 49-year-old son of a Sudbury miner and former head of Yorkton Securities, said in a statement.

Several large mining companies including zinc and copper producer Teck Cominco Ltd. and gold miner Newmont Mining Corp. have signed on as partners to the charity group which plans to expand its efforts beyond Latin America to other parts of the developing world.

As well, mining focused Canadian brokerage firms including Canaccord Capital Inc. and GMP Securities LP have committed to the fund and will direct a percentage of their resource-related commission fees to the CGSCI.

Toronto law firm Cassels Brock has promised a financial contribution as well as a pledge to provide legal services at no charge. The Toronto Stock Exchange and London Stock Exchange are also supporting the initiative.


Although many mining companies have spent millions on funding sustainable development, education, health and infrastructure in countries and areas in which they operate, the industry still gets a bum rap, according to Newmont Mining board member and former company president Pierre Lassonde.

What I find absolutely genius in the move here is that what has done is he has got Bill Clinton to more or less, be the spokesman for resource development. That is momentous, Mr. Lassonde said in an interview.

In the past, some mining companies have faced severe criticism for exploiting resources in developing nations and giving little back to the community. In some cases, mining has caused environmental damage that has made some areas uninhabitable or been linked to illnesses in local people.

The CGSGI said it intends to work with local leaders to address, social, economic and environmental issues in a cost-effective and sustainable manner. The Clinton Foundation will act as the implementing partner linking the resource industry with local communities in the developing world.


While the CGSGI may be the single largest charity initiative by the mining sector, Mr. Giustra's contribution follows previous large-scale donations by other industry heavyweights from Canada.

Mr. Lassonde has donated millions through his own active philanthropic efforts as has his Franco-Nevada co-founder and long-time business partner Seymour Schulich. Mr. Schulich recently gave $22.5-million (Canadian) to the Technion-Israel Institute, which is naming its chemistry department after him. His past gifts have included $27-million to York University's school of business and $20-million to McGill University's faculty of music. Barrick Gold co-founder Peter Munk gave almost $61-million to charity last year alone including $37-million to the Toronto General Hospital, $18.5-million to the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology and $5-million to the University of Toronto.

According to this 2006 article by Keith Harmon Snow and David Barouski, Barrack Gold is connected to both Bush and, less directly, with close Clinton associates in mineral extraction operations in some of the bloodiest areas in Africa. See,


Some people have lauded great progress in the exposure of illegal mining in DRC, particularly by the group Human Rights Watch (HRW), whose 2005 report The Curse of Gold exposed Ugandan officials and multi-national corporations smuggling gold through local rebel militias. The cited rebel groups were the Nationalist and Integrationist Front (FNI) and the Peoples Armed Forces of Congo (FAPC). The western companies targeted by HRW were Anglo-Ashanti Gold, a company headquartered in South Africa, and Metalor, a Swedish firm. The HRW report failed to mention that Anglo-Ashanti is partnered with Anglo-American, owned by the Oppenheimer family and partnered with Canada-based Barrick Gold described below (3). London-based Anglo-American Plc. owns a 45% share in DeBeers, another Oppenheimer company that is infamous for its near monopoly of the international diamond industry (4). Sir Mark Moody-Stuart, a director of Anglo-American, is a director of Royal Dutch/Shell and a member of U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annans Advisory Board (5). The report also suppressed the most damning evidence discovered by HRW researchersthat Anglo-Ashanti sent its top lawyers into eastern DRC to aid rebel militia leaders arrested there.

Several multi-national mining companies have rarely if ever been mentioned in any human rights report. One is Barrick Gold, who operates in the town of Watsa, northwest of the town of Bunia, located in the most violent corner of the Congo. The Ugandan Peoples Defense Force (UPDF) controlled the mines intermittently during the war. Officials in Bunia claim that Barrick executives flew into the region, with UPDF and RPF (Rwanda Patriotic Front) escorts, to survey and inspect their mining interests (6).

George H.W. Bush served as a paid advisor for Barrick Gold. Barrick directors include: Brian Mulroney, former PM of Canada; Edward Neys, former U.S. ambassador to Canada and chairman of the private PR firm Burston-Marsteller; former U.S. Senator Howard Baker; J. Trevor Eyton, a member of the Canadian Senate; and Vernon Jordan, one of Bill Clintons lawyers (7).

Barrick Gold is one of the client companies of Andrew Youngs Goodworks International lobbying firm. Andrew Young is the former Mayor of Atlanta, and a key organizer of the U.S.-Uganda Friendship Council. Young was chosen by President Clinton to chair the Southern Africa Enterprise Development Fund in October 1994. Goodworks clientsor business partners in some casesinclude Coke, Chevron-Texaco, Monsanto, and the governments of Angola and Nigeria (note weapons transfers from Nigeria cited below). Young is a director of Cox Communications and Archers Daniels Midlandthe supermarket to the world and National Public Radio sponsor whose directors include Brian Mulroney (Barrick) and G. Allen Andreas, a member of the European Advisory Board of The Carlyle Group.

Barrick Golds mining partners have included Adastra Miningformerly named America Mineral Fields (AMFI, AMX, other names), formerly based in Hope, Arkansas, Bill Clintons hometown. Adastra had close ties with Lazare Kaplan International Inc., the largest diamond brokerage firm in the U.S., whose president, Maurice Tempelsman, has been an advisor on African Affairs to the U.S. Government and has been the U.S. Honorary Consul General of the Congo since 1977 (8).

Maurice Tempelsman accompanied Bill Clinton during his African tour in 1998, and he sails with the Clintons off Marthas Vineyard.
He serves on the International Advisory Council of the American Stock Exchange, and is a director of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, a
scientific front for his offshore diamond miningraking the seabed into oblivion.

Adastra also purchased a diamond concession on the Congolese-Angolan border from the Belgian mercenary firm International Defense and Security (1998), and currently has cobalt and copper concessions in Congos Katanga (Shaba) province (9). Adastra is a member of the Corporate Council on Africa, along with Goodworks, Halliburton, Chevron-Texaco, Northrop Grumman, GE, Boeing, Raytheon, Bechtel and SAICthe latter two being secretive intelligence and defense entities involved in classified and supra-governmental black projects.

In April 1997, Jean-Ramon Boulle, a co-founder of Adastra (then AMFI), received a $1 billion dollar deal for mines in the Congo at Kolwezi (cobalt) and Kipushi (zinc) from Laurent Kabilas Alliance of Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Zaire (ADFL) before they were even officially in power. The ADFL were even allowed to use Boulles private jet (10). Meanwhile, directors of Adastra are also former directors of Anglo-American (11). Other Clinton-connected founders of Adastra include Michael McMurrough and Robert Friedlandboth involved in shady, criminal, offshore businesses in Indonesia, Africa, Burma and the Americas (12).

Barrick sub-contracts to Caleb International, who has also partnered with Adastra in the past. Caleb is run by Ugandan President Yoweri Musevenis half-brother Salim Saleh, the former acting General of the UPDF. When Uganda withdrew from the Congo in 2002 following a so-called peace agreement, Saleh began training paramilitary groups to act as Ugandan proxies to sustain the flow of minerals into Uganda (13).


Katangas militias and racketeering are connected to criminal networks of businessmen, including Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe, Billy Rautenbach, John Bredenkamp, and Marc Rich. U.S. diamond magnate Maurice Tempelsman has profited from Katanga concessions since the Kennedy era. Lawrence Devlin, the old CIA station chief of Lubumbashi under Eisenhower, maintained Tempelsmans criminal rackets with direct ties to Zaires former President Mobutu, and was subsequently employed by Tempelsman (16).

The Forrest Group has the longest history of exploitation in the Congo, gaining its first mining concessions before the Congo declared independence from the Belgians. The group, which includes the Ohio-based OM Group, has numerous concessions in Katanga (Shaba). Chairman George Forrest is the former chairman of the Congos state-owned mining firm GECAMINES, and owner of the New Lachaussee weapons manufacturing company.

Coltan ore is widely used in the aerospace and electronics industries for capacitors, superconductors and transistors after it is refined to tantalum. The U.S. is entirely dependant on foreign sources for tantalum, an enabling technology for capacitors essential to aerospace weaponry and every pager, cell phone, computer, VCR, CD player, P.D.A. and TV. U.S. import records show a dramatic jump of purchases from Rwanda and Uganda during the time they were smuggling tantalum and cobalt out of the Congo.


Bechtel, a U.S. aerospace & construction company, provided satellite maps of reconnaissance photos of Mobutus troops for the ADFL invasion of Congo in 1996; they also created infrared maps of the Congos mineral deposits (22). The Rwanda Patriotic Front (RPF), led by Paul Kagame, the current Rwandan President graduate of the U.S. Army officers school at Fort Leavenworth, used Bechtels NASA maps to locate Rwandan Hutu civilians that fled the cataclysm in Rwanda in 1994. An estimated 800,000 refugees were hunted down and killed in the Congos forests (23). Bechtels friends in high places include former Secretary of State George Shultz (Board of Directors), former Secretary of Defense Casper Weinberger (Bechtel Counsel) and retired U.S.M.C. general Jack Sheehan (Senior Vice President), who is also a member of the Defense Policy Board at the Pentagon (24). Riley P. Bechtel is on the Board of J.P. Morgan (25). Bechtels Nexant Company is the prime contractor on the Uganda-Kenya pipeline project, believed to ultimately facilitate petroleum transport out of the Semliki Basin of Lake Albert.

The U.N. Panel of Experts named New England-based Cabot Co. for conducting unethical business practices (26). Cabot is one of the largest tantalum processors in the world. The current Deputy Director of the U.S. Treasury, Samuel Bodman, was CEO and chairman of the board for Cabot from 1997-2001 (27). Current Director John H. McArthur is a Senior Advisor to Paul Wolfowitz at the World Bank (28).

Private Military Contractors (PMCs) are also big business in Africa. Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton, helped build a military base near Cyangugu, Rwanda just next to the Congo-Rwandan border. Officially, Brown and Root was there to clear land mines, but instead housed mercenaries from Military Professional Resources Inc. (MPRI) who trained the RPF and Laurent Kabilas ADFL for invasion of the Congo in 1996, and the Rwandan armys re-invasion in 1998, after
Laurent Kabila threw out the Rwandans, Ugandans, Bechtel and the IMF (29). The French intelligence service reported that U.S. Special Forces and mercenaries from MPRI participated in the murder of Rwandan Hutu refugees on the Oso River near Goma in 1996 and even claims to have turned over the bodies of two American soldiers killed in combat near Goma (30). The circumstances surrounding the unofficial recovery of these two U.S. soldiers remain very mysterious (31).

MPRI is based in Arlington, Virginia and is staffed and run by 36 retired U.S. generals. It is contracted by the Pentagon to fulfill the African Crisis Responsive Initiative (ACRI). This program includes the Ugandan military, and it supplied military training in guerrilla warfare to Ugandan officers at Fort Bragg, North Carolina in July 1996. During the invasion of the Congo in 1998, Ugandan soldiers were found with ACRI equipment while Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have implicated Ugandan battalions trained by ACRI in rapes, murders, extortion, and beatings of Ugandan civilians (32).

Executive Outcomes founder Tony Buckingham has established other Private Military Companies that operate around Africa. Buckinghams Heritage Oil & Gas works closely with his PMC Sandline International to manipulate the petroleum options around Lake Albert, and is believed to have signed concession deals with warring armies and governments on both sides of the Uganda-Congo border. Branch Energy is another Buckingham affiliated company operating in the Great Lakes region.


Perhaps reflecting a larger reality about global business, these interlocking mining and charitable operations make Bill Clinton and G.H.W. Bush both competitors and business partners.
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  - aquart, do you have a crush on me? you seem to be following me around!  ursi   Jan-31-08 12:54 AM   #36 
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  - Not a good analogy  disndat   Jan-31-08 10:21 AM   #102 
  - Well, keep up this Democratic Bashing  George II   Jan-31-08 07:48 AM   #63 
  - This is not dem bashing. This is calling a crook and crook!  happydreams   Jan-31-08 12:51 PM   #132 
     - What was illegal?  George II   Jan-31-08 03:20 PM   #147 
        - Maybe USC 18 which prohibits public officeholders from  happydreams   Feb-01-08 06:06 PM   #166 
           - So you admit they weren't "crook"s, right?  George II   Feb-01-08 07:13 PM   #167 
  - Bill passed up a chance at a huge commission to make money  creeksneakers2   Jan-31-08 12:10 PM   #127 
  - Kick &R. Great Post!  happydreams   Jan-31-08 12:39 PM   #129 
  - No, but passages like this makes one wonder whether similar conflicts ...  krkaufman   Jan-31-08 01:35 AM   #39 
  - krkaufman, check this timeline out of 2005 in this country. this is bad  ursi   Jan-31-08 02:12 AM   #44 
  - Yeah, Nazarbayev is a bad guy (understatement) ...  krkaufman   Jan-31-08 02:43 AM   #46 
     - oh, I do agree ...jeezus this part of the timeline ...just after Bill was there  ursi   Jan-31-08 02:46 AM   #48 
  - did you miss the part about ** "EX" ** president??????  George II   Jan-31-08 07:49 AM   #66 
  - apparently the moral issues involved in this don't mean anything?  ursi   Jan-31-08 08:55 AM   #84 
  - Sure they do, but why here and now?  George II   Jan-31-08 10:04 AM   #96 
     - If H.C. gets into the WH  disndat   Jan-31-08 10:23 AM   #103 
        - Precisely  Mike Daniels   Jan-31-08 10:27 AM   #105 
        - You know that for a fact, eh?  George II   Jan-31-08 11:16 AM   #112 
        - it does not matter  beezlebum   Jan-31-08 11:42 AM   #119 
  - No. But thanks for the heads-up.  krkaufman   Jan-31-08 11:19 AM   #113 
  - repl;y  ArfDogMNO   Jan-31-08 08:46 PM   #156 
  - this ones for you!  ursi   Jan-31-08 02:06 AM   #43 
  - Very simple  matt819   Jan-31-08 12:09 PM   #126 
  - Oh but Clinton  my3boyz   Jan-31-08 02:15 AM   #45 
  - Some have far less than others  karynnj   Jan-31-08 08:03 AM   #72 
  - CRAP???????????? the real story  Bitwit1234   Jan-31-08 06:31 AM   #52 
  - It wasn't an was a public statement of positive human rights record  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 07:44 AM   #60 
  - Reread the article, the entire one.  George II   Jan-31-08 07:51 AM   #68 
  - I read the whole article  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 07:55 AM   #69 
  - people read selectively ... & in this case, fail to understand who the human rights abuser really is  ursi   Jan-31-08 08:58 AM   #85 
  - It wasn't a statement of a positive human rights record  creeksneakers2   Jan-31-08 06:28 PM   #151 
  - Thank you...and that should be "no" class in place of "low" class  George II   Jan-31-08 07:51 AM   #67 
     - Who's forgetting THAT  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 07:56 AM   #70 
        - I'm 100% behind Oback Obama until he does or doesn't win the nomination...  George II   Jan-31-08 10:08 AM   #97 
           - I'm 100% behind the Democratic nominee  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 10:12 AM   #99 
              - Now you're projecting and psychoanalizing  George II   Jan-31-08 11:20 AM   #114 
                 - Huh?  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 11:28 AM   #115 
                    - You answered your OWN question in another post in this discussion:  George II   Jan-31-08 10:43 PM   #157 
                       - You're a master of inventing contradictions that don't exist  alcibiades_mystery   Feb-01-08 06:36 AM   #161 
                          - All I did was repost YOUR words.  George II   Feb-01-08 07:48 AM   #162 
  - It certainly explains his desperation  BonnieJW   Jan-31-08 01:08 PM   #135 
  - K&R - it pains me to feel ashamed of the Big Dog...  Cooley Hurd   Jan-30-08 09:52 PM   #2 
  - this reminds me of the Carlyle Group, Bush and Cheney  ursi   Jan-30-08 09:54 PM   #3 
  - They are all Carlyles ... the ones that aren't  sjdnb   Jan-30-08 09:58 PM   #6 
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     - thank you for this post. it seems that it is only ok here to take a hard look at Obama  ursi   Jan-31-08 09:00 AM   #86 
        - Bill Clinton isn't running for President, is he? [no speculating now, please!]  George II   Jan-31-08 11:49 AM   #121 
           - does it matter [once again]  beezlebum   Jan-31-08 11:51 AM   #123 
              - yep  beezlebum   Feb-01-08 07:49 AM   #164 
  - this will be the Big Dog's "Halliburton" when the right wing gets hold  Tarheel_Dem   Jan-30-08 09:56 PM   #4 
  - yeah, that $100 million donation to his personal foundation is disgusting  ursi   Jan-30-08 09:59 PM   #7 
     - hmmmmmmm....if only this could surface in the next debate, somehow  Tarheel_Dem   Jan-30-08 10:42 PM   #23 
     - I'd guess it will. They have asked Clinton  Alizaryn   Jan-31-08 12:32 AM   #31 
     - How could giving $100,000,000 to charity be greedy?  creeksneakers2   Jan-31-08 06:43 PM   #152 
  - More Clinton $$$ scandals?  DJ13   Jan-30-08 09:59 PM   #8 
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     - Here's the difference  creeksneakers2   Jan-31-08 06:45 PM   #153 
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     - Foundations ARE HOW the Ultra-Rich Manage their Fortune and Transfer it to Next Generation  Wiley50   Jan-31-08 04:55 PM   #150 
  - It's not that complicated  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-30-08 10:33 PM   #20 
  - Who hasn't been fully vetted again?  BeyondGeography   Jan-30-08 10:06 PM   #11 
  - all good points. can you imagine fours years in office under investigation  ursi   Jan-30-08 10:09 PM   #13 
  - The Clintons have NOT been fully vetted. Their ties w GOP bigwigs have been left out.  mod mom   Jan-31-08 08:29 AM   #75 
     - Jackson Stephans goes all the way back to Arkansas  creeksneakers2   Jan-31-08 06:50 PM   #154 
  - wow!  madrchsod   Jan-30-08 10:07 PM   #12 
  - once a cheater, always a cheater!  ursi   Jan-31-08 12:59 AM   #37 
  - Obama and Rezko ... Clinton and Giustra - no difference  sjdnb   Jan-30-08 10:17 PM   #15 
  - As we all know, Rezko is a foreign dictator and slums are the equivalent of nucular stuff.  originalpckelly   Jan-30-08 10:29 PM   #19 
  - You have obviously mistaken this country for a democracy.  AllyCat   Jan-31-08 01:38 AM   #40 
     - and you have obviously mistaken our elections  beezlebum   Jan-31-08 11:49 AM   #120 
        - No illusions of legitimacy here.  AllyCat   Jan-31-08 02:15 PM   #143 
  - Yeesh  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-30-08 10:24 PM   #17 
  - I hate the lying.  Mojorabbit   Jan-30-08 10:45 PM   #24 
     - When I read all that  creeksneakers2   Jan-31-08 06:53 PM   #155 
  - WILLIE: Major Screwings of America for Make Benefit Glorious President of Clinton  originalpckelly   Jan-30-08 10:28 PM   #18 
  - ROFL!!!  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-30-08 10:33 PM   #21 
  - Well, hell, it is Borat's home.  originalpckelly   Jan-30-08 10:36 PM   #22 
     - omfg! I forgot about Borat! Wonder if he knew? HAHA!  ursi   Jan-31-08 12:07 AM   #30 
  - LOL!  Cheney Killed Bambi   Jan-30-08 10:59 PM   #27 
  - Wish I could rec your reply!  AllyCat   Jan-31-08 12:36 AM   #35 
  - "...All other countries run by little girls..."  Blue_Tires   Jan-31-08 11:07 AM   #109 
  - This is the kind of sleaze factor we could really do without right now.  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-30-08 10:49 PM   #26 
  - RINOS, DINOS, and CINOS  Baby Snooks   Jan-30-08 11:10 PM   #29 
  - Re: delegates at the convention.  krkaufman   Jan-31-08 01:41 AM   #41 
  - she can be Jeb's chairwarmer.... n/t  UpInArms   Jan-31-08 02:43 AM   #47 
  - Actually they were adopted by Bush/BCCI/Walmart Financier Jackson Stephens:  mod mom   Jan-31-08 10:58 AM   #108 
  - I hate being so jaded. n/t  quakerboy   Jan-31-08 12:32 AM   #32 
  - Oh-oh!  FrenchieCat   Jan-31-08 12:33 AM   #33 
  - Ruh-roh.  gmudem   Jan-31-08 01:49 AM   #42 
  - I really wish Edwards had stayed in just one more day.  Egnever   Jan-31-08 03:01 AM   #49 
  - Actually he said he "suspended his campaign" so technically he could return!  mod mom   Jan-31-08 07:14 AM   #57 
  - Maybe it was a strategy!  Egnever   Jan-31-08 01:24 PM   #136 
  - Was that supposed to be a joke?  gmudem   Jan-31-08 02:03 PM   #139 
  - Had he stayed in one more day, the NYT would have printed it tomorrow.  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-31-08 10:18 AM   #101 
     - Yeah I do get that feeling about it  gmudem   Jan-31-08 03:09 PM   #146 
  - And the slime flows from the other candidate supporters  Bitwit1234   Jan-31-08 05:17 AM   #50 
  - There is that Rovian stink of inevitability again. n/t  JTFrog   Jan-31-08 06:41 AM   #53 
  - I'm happy to see Hillary Clinton as the next president  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 07:46 AM   #61 
  - Remind me again how Queen Inevitable did in SC?  gmudem   Jan-31-08 03:30 PM   #149 
  - It always amazes me how the Repubs absolutely hate the Clintons  bulloney   Jan-31-08 05:33 AM   #51 
  - Does anyone think it's possible for one empire to loot another without moral compromise?  leveymg   Jan-31-08 06:54 AM   #54 
  - As tall as the order is, I like it! n/t  groovedaddy   Jan-31-08 07:43 AM   #59 
  - I'm not shocked at all  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 07:48 AM   #64 
     - Bill Clinton and G.H.W. Bush are both involved with Canadian Mining Companies in 3rd World countries  leveymg   Jan-31-08 12:24 PM   #128 
  - Oh, what a tangled web we weave.  Vinca   Jan-31-08 07:10 AM   #55 
  - Why is this posted on "Democratic Underground"????  George II   Jan-31-08 07:46 AM   #62 
  - Huh?  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 07:49 AM   #65 
  - What is there to "huh" about? It is amateurish and pointless.  Tarc   Jan-31-08 08:30 AM   #76 
     - I'm happy to "debate the finer points" with you  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 08:37 AM   #79 
     - There aren't any  Tarc   Jan-31-08 08:44 AM   #81 
     - Ah...I see  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 08:45 AM   #82 
     - But BILL Clinton is NOT running for president and...  George II   Jan-31-08 09:29 AM   #88 
        - Yell and pout all you want  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 09:43 AM   #90 
           - You just exposed either your naiivity or bias with that post  George II   Jan-31-08 09:45 AM   #92 
           - I thought I was being fair there  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 09:48 AM   #93 
              - "Disclaimer" notwithstanding...  George II   Jan-31-08 10:02 AM   #95 
                 - It's called a qualifier, friend  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 10:10 AM   #98 
           - Never said it shouldn't be discussed...  George II   Jan-31-08 11:51 AM   #124 
     - It is in the NY Times. It is reasonable and prudent to talk about it.  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-31-08 10:16 AM   #100 
  - George II, it seems we are supposed to address Obama's issues here but not Clintons', why?  ursi   Jan-31-08 09:02 AM   #87 
     - Sure, discuiss HILLARY Clinton's issues, OK?  George II   Jan-31-08 09:42 AM   #89 
  - So what? He was a consultant for a Canadian mining company.  Deep13   Jan-31-08 08:05 AM   #73 
  - I'm with you on this one  LynneSin   Jan-31-08 08:37 AM   #80 
  - you mean like the Hill folks jumped all over Obama's Reagan comments?  Tarheel_Dem   Jan-31-08 10:51 AM   #107 
  - Consultant is one thing...praising the human rights record of a despot is quite another  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 08:50 AM   #83 
  - WOW we sound just like  humbled_opinion   Jan-31-08 08:25 AM   #74 
  - so we shouldn't  beezlebum   Jan-31-08 08:34 AM   #77 
     - Owww...  humbled_opinion   Jan-31-08 01:49 PM   #137 
        - i disagree  beezlebum   Jan-31-08 03:06 PM   #145 
  - Silence from Billary  mrJJ   Jan-31-08 08:35 AM   #78 
  - I thought the childish candidate bashing was going to be kept in juvenile hall!  Mountainman   Jan-31-08 09:44 AM   #91 
  - seriously...  beezlebum   Jan-31-08 10:23 AM   #104 
     - i guess not  beezlebum   Feb-01-08 07:48 AM   #163 
  - Yikes.  undeterred   Jan-31-08 09:49 AM   #94 
  - Kazakhstan is a U.S. ally  Tempest   Jan-31-08 10:35 AM   #106 
  - Gore met with him too what exactly does THIS prove?  Carni   Jan-31-08 11:10 AM   #110 
  - good point, but it doesn't sound like Gore got $137m in return....  Tarheel_Dem   Jan-31-08 11:15 AM   #111 
  - If meeting with him were all there was to it, I'd agree  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 11:34 AM   #117 
     - I don't know enough about Nazarbayev  Carni   Jan-31-08 11:50 AM   #122 
        - "Puts his fortune to good use"  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 01:03 PM   #134 
           - OK Point taken  Carni   Jan-31-08 01:54 PM   #138 
              - I suspect Giustra is better than most  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 02:07 PM   #140 
  - Ah-hem Giustra brought us Fahrenheit 9/11  Carni   Jan-31-08 11:29 AM   #116 
  - What better rerason to provide a human rights endorsement to a dictator  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 02:09 PM   #141 
  - And this is bad why?  whistle   Jan-31-08 11:40 AM   #118 
  - It's OK  alcibiades_mystery   Jan-31-08 02:11 PM   #142 
  - Maybe this is why Edwards only "Suspended" his campaign?  sellitman   Jan-31-08 12:07 PM   #125 
  - Bush 41 did the same thing in the same place for his oil buddies nt  TomClash   Jan-31-08 12:43 PM   #130 
  - Defend Clinton all you want, but this is the rot of neoliberalism. Clinton  happydreams   Jan-31-08 12:44 PM   #131 
  - George Kennan summed it up quite neatly about 60 years ago:  hatrack   Jan-31-08 03:02 PM   #144 
  - this is a man who viewed the White House as a "valuable piece of real estate"  ursi   Feb-01-08 12:35 AM   #160 
     - and let the BCCI basteeds go as well. I'd rather have  happydreams   Feb-01-08 06:03 PM   #165 
        - No no no no no. The repugies will rape our rights and rob us.  superconnected   Feb-01-08 07:27 PM   #168 
  - So, has Clinton gotten a seat on the board of directors?  MetaTrope   Jan-31-08 12:58 PM   #133 
  - wow, thanks for posting ...I lived in Elko when that happened and poppy came to town  ursi   Jan-31-08 10:45 PM   #158 
  - No Wonder, the D.L.C. has ordered Reid & Pelosi to back off from Bush the Liar.  Broadslidin   Jan-31-08 03:22 PM   #148 
  - Funny thing happened on the way to this "scandal".....  George II   Jan-31-08 10:50 PM   #159 
  - How poppy bush of him.  superconnected   Feb-01-08 07:28 PM   #169 

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