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Fri Jan-25-08 11:17 AM
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| 62. Bonds rise; Hedge fund rumor circulates |
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NEW YORK — Treasury prices threw off early weakness and advanced Friday after a rumor that another hedge fund is in financial trouble circulated through trading rooms. "There are a number of names of hedge funds being bandied about as possibly being in trouble," said Tom di Galoma, head of Treasurys trading at Jefferies & Co. It is impossible to discern whether the stories have any basis in fact, he said. Problems at hedge funds in recent months have contributed to the massive declines on Wall Street, and in turn benefited the government bond market. Problems at two funds operated by Bear, Stearns & Co. last fall brought home to the markets the reality that the housing and mortgage crisis was spreading throughout the financial sector. Although the rumor was not verified, it affected the markets, sending the major stock indexes well below their best levels and pushing Treasurys higher. Worries about weakness at financial institutions tend to spark demand for Treasurys, which carry government backing and are largely shielded from the risks of some other asset classes. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/business/5485694... Wonder if one of those names is Goldman Sachs????? The music is winding down and athe players are eyeing the chairs.
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| -STOCK MARKET WATCH, Friday January 25 |
ozymandius |
Jan-25-08 04:46 AM |
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Market WrapUp: Fed Rate Cuts Can Backfire by Lifting Crude Oil Higher |
ozymandius |
Jan-25-08 05:01 AM |
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It sounds "generally inflationary" as opposed to just driving up oil (by driving demand for oil) |
TheBorealAvenger |
Jan-25-08 06:05 AM |
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Oil prices rise to near $90 a barrel (traders angling to get their share of that "rebate") |
ozymandius |
Jan-25-08 05:04 AM |
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Oil prices rise above $90 a barrel |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 07:33 AM |
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Oil rises nearly 1% on brighter economic outlook |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 08:42 AM |
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Amazing, simply amazing !! |
burf |
Jan-25-08 09:11 AM |
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The Perfect Cartoon! Epitomizes BushWorld! |
Demeter |
Jan-25-08 05:05 AM |
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Senate pressured to OK stimulus deal |
ozymandius |
Jan-25-08 05:09 AM |
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Morning Marketeers... |
AnneD |
Jan-25-08 09:33 AM |
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NOt Only Are We Surrounded by Incompetents, They Are Moral Midgets, Too |
Demeter |
Jan-25-08 09:40 AM |
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mornin' AnneD |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 09:42 AM |
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Thanks...... |
AnneD |
Jan-25-08 10:21 AM |
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Well said......... |
KoKo01 |
Jan-25-08 01:43 PM |
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Recession 2008: How bad it can get |
ozymandius |
Jan-25-08 05:18 AM |
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One house my wife has been looking at just dropped it's price 10%. |
Finnfan |
Jan-25-08 06:23 AM |
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The darker side of interest rate cuts |
ozymandius |
Jan-25-08 05:22 AM |
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How Real Was the Prosperity? |
ozymandius |
Jan-25-08 05:28 AM |
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Time for school. |
ozymandius |
Jan-25-08 05:29 AM |
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**RADICAL FRINGE TOON ** Friday 1/25... |
radfringe |
Jan-25-08 05:43 AM |
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Looks like something could drown in there....maybe a government. |
TalkingDog |
Jan-25-08 07:57 AM |
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Love the graphic.... |
AnneD |
Jan-25-08 09:36 AM |
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drip, drip, like $300-600/person is going to stimulate anything much |
wordpix |
Jan-25-08 03:18 PM |
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Snippets from DailyReckoning.Com |
Demeter |
Jan-25-08 06:49 AM |
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More Snippets |
Demeter |
Jan-25-08 06:52 AM |
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Third Snippet's the Charm |
Demeter |
Jan-25-08 06:54 AM |
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But class warfare has been being waged |
donkeyotay |
Jan-25-08 12:36 PM |
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Worrisome Signs for the Bond Insurer Bailout / Naked Capitalism |
Demeter |
Jan-25-08 07:03 AM |
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Goldman is not hemmoraging, yet |
DemReadingDU |
Jan-25-08 08:22 AM |
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Goldman Sachs says to cut about 5 percent of workforce |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 10:22 AM |
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Banks May Need $143 Billion for Insurer Downgrades |
Robbien |
Jan-25-08 10:51 AM |
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Robert Reich Grasps the Enormity of the Problem / Naked Capitalism |
Demeter |
Jan-25-08 07:06 AM |
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I disagree with that last sentence |
Warpy |
Jan-25-08 12:03 PM |
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I agree. If they really wanted to turn this economy around |
donkeyotay |
Jan-25-08 12:55 PM |
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More jobs Higher wages what FDR did with Works program |
lovuian |
Jan-25-08 01:55 PM |
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dollar watch |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 07:19 AM |
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Dollar Rises Against Euro, Yen |
MATTMAN |
Jan-25-08 04:05 PM |
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Euro = USD 1.469, GBP 0.740 and CHF 1.610 at this time. |
Ghost Dog |
Jan-25-08 04:34 PM |
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Regulators may force banks into greater disclosure |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 07:26 AM |
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Can someone explain to a woefully ignorant lurker -- |
Tansy_Gold |
Jan-25-08 08:43 AM |
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how can I explain to one who obviously does understand the whole game? |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 08:59 AM |
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thank you, UIA. |
Tansy_Gold |
Jan-25-08 09:21 AM |
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my personal analogy has always been |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 09:26 AM |
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And what indeed is the "value" of these derivatives? |
Karenina |
Jan-25-08 11:20 AM |
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dollars or pieces of paper? only valuable if they represent something |
kineneb |
Jan-25-08 11:55 AM |
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How many even get as far as "hard copy?" |
Karenina |
Jan-25-08 06:44 PM |
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You're not only not stupid, you're probably not hanging with |
Warpy |
Jan-25-08 12:21 PM |
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I've seen figures bandied about |
Karenina |
Jan-25-08 06:10 PM |
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The really sad part of that is that so many pension funds |
Warpy |
Jan-25-08 09:49 PM |
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Awesome rant |
DemReadingDU |
Jan-25-08 09:18 AM |
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Okay... Now I have "Mama told me not to come" streaming through my head... |
Prag |
Jan-25-08 09:19 AM |
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Great theme... |
AnneD |
Jan-25-08 10:23 AM |
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Several excellent analogies/summaries in there. |
Roland99 |
Jan-25-08 10:06 AM |
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great post, Tansy |
grasswire |
Jan-25-08 11:30 AM |
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Yes, those dollars had to come from somewhere...and there are several places
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antigop |
Jan-25-08 12:03 PM |
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You are neither stupid nor crazy, and maybe you'd post this in GD |
donkeyotay |
Jan-25-08 02:27 PM |
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That was brilliant! |
ozymandius |
Jan-25-08 05:10 PM |
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The Large US Companies That May Disappear In 2008 |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 07:36 AM |
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Motorola, Sears, Citigroup, Ford, Yahoo, AMD, Sprint, Qwest |
DemReadingDU |
Jan-25-08 08:29 AM |
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Citigroup CEO gets $26.7 mln stock, 3 mln options |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 08:46 AM |
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The CEO gets the money, then the company goes bankrupt |
DemReadingDU |
Jan-25-08 09:56 AM |
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saw that in 80s/90s in computer industry |
kineneb |
Jan-25-08 12:12 PM |
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man, this looks like a rerun of a bad movie |
wordpix |
Jan-25-08 03:20 PM |
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Gold futures climb as South African producers halt ops |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 07:39 AM |
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Glum Mood Bodes Ill for GOP |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 07:45 AM |
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Wall Street Journal graph showing Dimson highest rating was 88% not 91% |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 07:47 AM |
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9:35 EST and looking to hit 12,500 |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 08:37 AM |
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Common sense disappeared loooong ago |
Roland99 |
Jan-25-08 08:47 AM |
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Gauge of U.S. economy falls in latest week - ECRI |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 09:38 AM |
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It would be interesting to see a historical chart of this ECRI's WLI. |
Prag |
Jan-25-08 09:49 AM |
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10:42 EST love lies bleeding on the floor |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 09:44 AM |
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11:00am - Mexed missages galore. |
Roland99 |
Jan-25-08 10:01 AM |
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~11:10 ET: Looks like this fiction is a drama... |
Prag |
Jan-25-08 10:08 AM |
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oh, Prag, please cheer up! |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 10:16 AM |
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... |
Prag |
Jan-25-08 10:29 AM |
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Does this help?? |
Roland99 |
Jan-25-08 10:57 AM |
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... |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 11:45 AM |
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... |
Prag |
Jan-25-08 11:57 AM |
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11:27 EST and the exits are getting crowded |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 10:29 AM |
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Well, that little stimulus package ($150 billion plus 75 basis points) didn't last long . . . |
hatrack |
Jan-25-08 10:33 AM |
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Cutting loose the 'flotsom'... |
Prag |
Jan-25-08 10:37 AM |
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For Whom the Bell Curve Tolls.....or it's new image - Forced Ranking |
54anickel |
Jan-25-08 12:12 PM |
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Quite familiar with 'forced ranking' |
DemReadingDU |
Jan-25-08 01:01 PM |
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Similar experience here - systems engineer on the hardware side 4 years ago |
54anickel |
Jan-25-08 01:31 PM |
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Went through that ranking nonsense in the Oil Biz... |
AnneD |
Jan-25-08 02:20 PM |
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My poor elementary school principal |
TrogL |
Jan-25-08 05:13 PM |
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11:55am - Flat as a ... umm... board. Yeah, that's it. |
Roland99 |
Jan-25-08 10:55 AM |
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Hey TalkingDog! This one's for you! CAT sees 'little' uptick in US truck market in '08 |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 11:00 AM |
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Critics fret over sovereign fund scenarios |
AnneD |
Jan-25-08 11:10 AM |
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Bonds rise; Hedge fund rumor circulates |
AnneD |
Jan-25-08 11:17 AM |
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Credit Suisse to cut about 500 jobs |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 11:48 AM |
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SocGen on 48-hour dumping spree post-fraud - sources |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 11:50 AM |
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Question re: guaranteed investment contracts and subprime mess |
antigop |
Jan-25-08 12:15 PM |
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Here is why I am asking the question..... |
antigop |
Jan-25-08 12:31 PM |
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who insures those bonds and funds, you ask? |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 01:04 PM |
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What I'm really asking,,, |
antigop |
Jan-25-08 01:19 PM |
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Very true, people assume a Stable Value fund is safe |
DemReadingDU |
Jan-26-08 07:49 AM |
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for some reason, I can't see the graphic.... n/t |
antigop |
Jan-25-08 01:25 PM |
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it's a house built of cards, n/t |
DemReadingDU |
Jan-25-08 01:31 PM |
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Thanks...I couldn't see it in the post, but got the link to the gif file. n/t |
antigop |
Jan-25-08 01:39 PM |
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I tried researching this myself |
DemReadingDU |
Jan-25-08 01:19 PM |
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Yes, I know exactly what you mean... you really can't tell. However.... |
antigop |
Jan-25-08 01:24 PM |
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Pension plan |
DemReadingDU |
Jan-25-08 01:30 PM |
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And you can ask for a listing of the assets in the db plan. I've done it. |
antigop |
Jan-25-08 01:33 PM |
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Not up to date |
DemReadingDU |
Jan-25-08 01:45 PM |
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That's what I was afraid of...the ERISA filings are behind. |
antigop |
Jan-25-08 01:51 PM |
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with 401(k), usually an employee has some choice |
DemReadingDU |
Jan-25-08 02:10 PM |
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Yes, you may have some choice in a 401(k) but you really don't know what is in the funds |
antigop |
Jan-25-08 03:08 PM |
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Is the Stable Value fund issued by Vanguard, Putnam? |
DemReadingDU |
Jan-25-08 03:41 PM |
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I see what you are saying, but in this case, the answer is NO...there are multiple investment firms |
antigop |
Jan-25-08 04:00 PM |
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Fitch to weigh rivals' ratings with insured bonds |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 01:10 PM |
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2:11 EST - bets anyone? Will mystery buyers appear before it closes? |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 01:13 PM |
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I'm thinking... |
AnneD |
Jan-25-08 01:54 PM |
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Loonie Watch |
TrogL |
Jan-25-08 01:20 PM |
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A 12-Step Program for America! |
Roland99 |
Jan-25-08 02:06 PM |
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YOU SHOULD BE WARY OF THIS MARKET REBOUND |
Emillereid |
Jan-25-08 02:21 PM |
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Like Trucks? |
TalkingDog |
Jan-25-08 03:00 PM |
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Sounds like you may have seen the invisible hand... |
Prag |
Jan-25-08 03:18 PM |
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Wow. Thanks. |
Prag |
Jan-25-08 03:38 PM |
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They're not free market partisans. |
ozymandius |
Jan-25-08 05:37 PM |
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At the close - So much for "no recession" |
Roland99 |
Jan-25-08 03:44 PM |
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The collapse in 10-year interest rates is the surest sign of recession. |
Zynx |
Jan-25-08 03:54 PM |
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And the 30-year hit an all-time low this week. |
Roland99 |
Jan-25-08 04:12 PM |
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My little... |
AnneD |
Jan-25-08 06:09 PM |
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a side of meatless blather |
UpInArms |
Jan-25-08 06:30 PM |
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Harley-Davidson 4Q Profit Tumbles |
MATTMAN |
Jan-25-08 04:01 PM |
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Caterpillar 4Q Profit Rises |
MATTMAN |
Jan-25-08 04:02 PM |
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Honeywell 4Q Profit Rises 17.8 Percent |
MATTMAN |
Jan-25-08 04:03 PM |
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Sector Snap: Airline Shares Edge Higher |
MATTMAN |
Jan-25-08 04:04 PM |
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Sector Glance: Big Tech Down |
MATTMAN |
Jan-25-08 04:06 PM |
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Sector Glance: Bond Insurers |
MATTMAN |
Jan-25-08 04:09 PM |
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Mich. Jobless Rate Rose in December |
MATTMAN |
Jan-25-08 04:11 PM |
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Gold and Platinum End Week With Records |
MATTMAN |
Jan-25-08 04:12 PM |
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Looks like they ended the week up about $107, the first this year |
question everything |
Jan-25-08 07:07 PM |
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