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| Police: Zoo survivor told of standing on railing and yelling at tiger |
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Source: San Francisco ChronicleOne of the two survivors of the San Francisco Zoo tiger attack that left a 17-year-old fatally mauled told the victim's father that the three had yelled and waved at the animal while standing atop the railing of the tiger's enclosure, police said in court documents filed Thursday. (snip) The search warrant affidavit was prepared Tuesday by police Inspector Valerie Matthews, the lead investigator in the case, and was filed with the court late Thursday. It cites multiple reports of a group of young men taunting animals at the zoo as basis for a court to grant police the right to search the cell phones and BMW, where police said they had seen the partially full bottle vodka bottle in the front passenger seat. Both Dhaliwal brothers were hospitalized after the maulings with head wounds. Matthews said in the warrant application that Paul Dhaliwal's blood alcohol level had been measured after the attack at 0.16 percent, twice the legal level for drunkenness. She did not indicate exactly when the test had been conducted. (snip) Matthews said police had found a partial shoe print on top of the railing and concluded that it matched a shoe worn by Paul Dhaliwal. (snip) "As a result of this investigation, (police believe) that the tiger may have been taunted/agitated by its eventual victims," Matthews wrote in the affidavit. Police believe that "this factor contributed to the tiger escaping from its enclosure and attacking its victims," she said. much, much more… Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/article?f=/c/a/20...
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| -Police: Zoo survivor told of standing on railing and yelling at tiger |
kskiska |
Jan-17-08 08:56 PM |
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I'm pro-tiger |
BeyondGeography |
Jan-17-08 08:58 PM |
#1 |
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You're not alone |
kskiska |
Jan-17-08 09:04 PM |
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Something we agree on. |
aquart |
Jan-18-08 01:04 AM |
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me three |
48percenter |
Jan-18-08 04:26 AM |
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I am as well |
classicfilmfan |
Jan-18-08 10:11 AM |
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I am also pro-tiger... |
jberryhill |
Jan-24-08 04:19 PM |
#168 |
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Me too. |
Alexander |
Jan-24-08 04:44 PM |
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Me eight (or nine). Amazing that people cannot see how the loss of such an endangered animal due to |
The Stranger |
Jan-25-08 02:12 PM |
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the tiger enclosure has been there 67 years |
allalone |
Jan-17-08 09:04 PM |
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Do you really think nobody had shouted at at tiger in 67 years? |
daleo |
Jan-17-08 11:47 PM |
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Actually, previous generations had manners. |
aquart |
Jan-18-08 01:05 AM |
#54 |
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Yeah, right |
daleo |
Jan-18-08 11:24 AM |
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Nobody Had Schizophrenia in 67 years? |
jberryhill |
Jan-24-08 04:21 PM |
#169 |
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Bullshit. Previous generations have a pompous attitude about how things were... |
Alexander |
Jan-24-08 04:47 PM |
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They also had bear-baiting |
jberryhill |
Jan-24-08 09:47 PM |
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we used to go to the SF zoo every weekend |
allalone |
Jan-18-08 01:47 AM |
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Yes, they've now admitted that they were inside the tiger enclosure itself. |
yardwork |
Jan-18-08 09:00 AM |
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No sympathy...got what they deserved |
boricua79 |
Jan-18-08 10:32 AM |
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So you never saw this in all your visits |
daleo |
Jan-18-08 11:27 AM |
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Right, The tiger was taunted three or four times a day, |
mycritters2 |
Jan-19-08 12:15 PM |
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Yea. Totally impossible. |
lizzy |
Jan-19-08 02:57 PM |
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Well, a tiger taunting every hundred days would equal 245 tauntings |
daleo |
Jan-19-08 04:56 PM |
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The tiger was 4 years old |
minnesota_liberal |
Jan-19-08 05:26 PM |
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had the exhibit always housed siberian tigers? or bengal tigers? |
QuestionAll |
Jan-24-08 04:38 PM |
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Not only did I manage to survive... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jan-18-08 11:21 AM |
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Cruise the Chron for other instances of near misses. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-18-08 04:26 PM |
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I'll bet when that tiger leaped the wall there was a reall "awh shit" moment. |
thunder rising |
Jan-17-08 09:05 PM |
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Good on the tiger...I am so sorry the tiger had to die. |
1620rock |
Jan-17-08 09:15 PM |
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I'd like to make my official nomination for the year's Darwin Award... |
TankLV |
Jan-17-08 11:07 PM |
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Probably not. Nobody has been accused of a crime. |
yardwork |
Jan-18-08 09:02 AM |
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you got that right |
allalone |
Jan-18-08 01:48 AM |
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RIP Carlos AND Tatiana |
blondie58 |
Jan-17-08 09:26 PM |
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Her necropsy report includes her history in Denver |
kskiska |
Jan-17-08 09:37 PM |
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Did the necropsy report also include |
MediaBabe |
Jan-17-08 10:18 PM |
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Yes, it did. |
kskiska |
Jan-17-08 10:33 PM |
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Actually, if you were to watch the animal planet shows, you would |
lizzy |
Jan-18-08 12:18 AM |
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That's absolutely right |
kskiska |
Jan-18-08 12:49 AM |
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My beagle-mix taught me that as a child. Do. Not. Get. Near. My. Food. |
yardwork |
Jan-18-08 09:04 AM |
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My beagle is fed in her crate, to keep the cats from sniffing at her food. |
mycritters2 |
Jan-19-08 12:19 PM |
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We fed the cats on the kitchen counter for decades for the same reason. |
yardwork |
Jan-19-08 12:33 PM |
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My cats eat on the counter as well. The beagle wants them to stay out of her food. |
mycritters2 |
Jan-19-08 12:46 PM |
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LOL! Beagles are like that! |
yardwork |
Jan-19-08 12:51 PM |
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Agreed. |
FiveGoodMen |
Jan-18-08 04:31 PM |
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Tatiana's the real victim... |
GoddessOfGuinness |
Jan-17-08 09:47 PM |
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Yep. Well Said. |
panzerfaust |
Jan-18-08 06:56 AM |
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Totally agree. |
closeupready |
Jan-18-08 10:34 AM |
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and the enclosure designer who decided the 12.5 ft was tall |
ladjf |
Jan-17-08 10:45 PM |
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And the inspector that OK'd that height. |
Lars39 |
Jan-18-08 07:10 AM |
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What kind of argument is this? |
lizzy |
Jan-18-08 06:29 PM |
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F*king liers trying to keep themselves from a law suit that will cost them millions. Get a good |
pingzing58 |
Jan-17-08 09:27 PM |
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Do you mean the ZOO? |
aquart |
Jan-18-08 01:07 AM |
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One of their lawyers is the guy who "defended" Scott |
cboy4 |
Jan-18-08 01:14 AM |
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geragos is a world class jerk |
allalone |
Jan-18-08 02:00 AM |
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And your point is what? |
jberryhill |
Jan-24-08 09:49 PM |
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I'm getting a bit sick of this. I don't care what those people did to the tigers... |
Harper_is_Bush |
Jan-17-08 09:39 PM |
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There's a little box you can check in the thread title |
kskiska |
Jan-17-08 09:47 PM |
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buzz off |
Harper_is_Bush |
Jan-17-08 10:30 PM |
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boy, you're really in a mood |
allalone |
Jan-18-08 01:50 AM |
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Tiger should not have been able to get out BUT |
panzerfaust |
Jan-18-08 06:54 AM |
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Doesn't it make you feel worse to not only read but post on threads you dislike? |
yardwork |
Jan-18-08 09:05 AM |
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That's the bottom line, isn't it? |
MediaBabe |
Jan-18-08 10:02 PM |
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I agree |
classykaren |
Jan-20-08 12:43 PM |
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1. humans ARE animals |
Scout |
Jan-25-08 02:43 PM |
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I'm sick of this too: Don't get drunk and cause the destruction of endangered zoo animals. |
The Stranger |
Jan-25-08 02:14 PM |
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Stupid kids have been teasing zoo animals for ages |
nebula |
Jan-17-08 09:51 PM |
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For sure -- and zoo enclosures must be designed to contain animals, |
pnwmom |
Jan-17-08 11:31 PM |
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Mild teasing? Do you consider torture to be "frat boy pranks?" |
yardwork |
Jan-18-08 09:09 AM |
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I don't care if they were making faces at it or throwing rocks at it |
nebula |
Jan-18-08 01:07 PM |
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Cars should not be able to cross median strips and hit other cars, but they do. |
yardwork |
Jan-18-08 04:08 PM |
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The other cars lured it. Taunted it. |
MediaBabe |
Jan-18-08 09:33 PM |
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So there are some sane people left on DU. |
springhill |
Jan-20-08 01:02 PM |
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Yes you're mad but are you mad enough? |
MediaBabe |
Jan-18-08 09:27 PM |
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They sure had Tatiana pissed off at them |
RamboLiberal |
Jan-17-08 09:54 PM |
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You can make a tiger extremely pissed at you |
nebula |
Jan-17-08 09:58 PM |
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you can make an animal mad just with a staredown |
allalone |
Jan-18-08 01:54 AM |
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There's evidence they may have climbed into the enclosure |
kskiska |
Jan-17-08 09:59 PM |
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Evidence like bodies in the enclosure? n/t |
MediaBabe |
Jan-17-08 10:29 PM |
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Did ya read the post you responded to? |
tuckessee |
Jan-17-08 10:43 PM |
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Bloody sign but no body. |
MediaBabe |
Jan-17-08 10:52 PM |
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They weren't down in the pit |
kskiska |
Jan-17-08 10:59 PM |
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Down in the pit |
MediaBabe |
Jan-17-08 11:15 PM |
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Truth is there's not enough info to know right now. |
tuckessee |
Jan-17-08 11:12 PM |
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The tiger with super-human strength because she was |
lizzy |
Jan-18-08 12:21 AM |
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Do you have a comprehension problem? |
tuckessee |
Jan-18-08 12:55 AM |
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I would say that a tiger has much more strength than a human. n/t |
RebelOne |
Jan-18-08 06:33 AM |
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LOL. |
nebula |
Jan-17-08 11:48 PM |
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Mishandled by keepers. |
MediaBabe |
Jan-17-08 10:26 PM |
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Re the taunting and harassment.... |
catchnrelease |
Jan-18-08 12:27 AM |
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Maybe she was hormonal? PMS? Peri-menopause? |
pnwmom |
Jan-17-08 11:33 PM |
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Just actin' like "normal" kids? |
DogPoundPup |
Jan-17-08 10:15 PM |
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Drunk and stoned is actually pretty normal for young adults |
nebula |
Jan-17-08 10:35 PM |
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drunk and stoned are normal"?!?! in what fucking UNIVERSE?!?! |
TankLV |
Jan-17-08 11:11 PM |
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In the universe where "fucking" is acceptable language. |
MediaBabe |
Jan-17-08 11:20 PM |
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Even if they do get money they won't last long. |
kskiska |
Jan-17-08 11:22 PM |
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Well, in that case, it will be their problem and not yours. |
lizzy |
Jan-18-08 12:22 AM |
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Well brought up children, aren't they? |
aquart |
Jan-18-08 01:11 AM |
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Sure, let's give the daeth penalty to anyone who was ever drunk or stoned |
nebula |
Jan-17-08 11:24 PM |
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they deserved what they got? death? |
kas125 |
Jan-18-08 01:12 AM |
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Your right thats sick |
classykaren |
Jan-20-08 12:48 PM |
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My teenage boys arent't stoned and drunk, and neither are their friends. |
yardwork |
Jan-18-08 09:12 AM |
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And I say again where were the Security Guards or other personel |
MadMaddie |
Jan-17-08 10:25 PM |
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No cameras, no security, no safety monitoring to be found anyhwere |
nebula |
Jan-17-08 10:49 PM |
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There used to be a P.A. system, but the neighbors complained |
kskiska |
Jan-17-08 10:54 PM |
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just like almost ALL zoos...yeah - imagine that... |
TankLV |
Jan-17-08 11:12 PM |
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No other zoo in the United States |
nebula |
Jan-17-08 11:33 PM |
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The Zoo's pay a pretty dollar for the animals... it is insane that |
MadMaddie |
Jan-18-08 08:40 PM |
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And worse, they barred the doors of the zoo cafe, forcing the young men -- |
pnwmom |
Jan-17-08 11:35 PM |
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That's their lawyer's story. I doubt it. |
yardwork |
Jan-18-08 09:15 AM |
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It's on the 911 call |
RamboLiberal |
Jan-18-08 12:22 PM |
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Maybe nobody was there to open it. The zoo was closed. What were they doing there? |
yardwork |
Jan-18-08 03:57 PM |
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Maybe you should actually listen to 911 call before commenting. |
lizzy |
Jan-18-08 06:27 PM |
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If you were closed and counting the day's receipts and cleaning up |
kskiska |
Jan-18-08 12:39 PM |
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Did the tiger run past any bystanders while going after the other two? n/t |
tuckessee |
Jan-17-08 10:32 PM |
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I presume she did. |
lizzy |
Jan-18-08 12:28 AM |
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But was not interested in them |
panzerfaust |
Jan-18-08 10:02 AM |
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It was near closing time and it was Christmas day |
RamboLiberal |
Jan-18-08 12:21 PM |
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My feelings about the whole thing |
blackspade |
Jan-17-08 11:33 PM |
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that Jungle Book tiger was a nice fella. what gives? |
Algorem |
Jan-18-08 12:27 AM |
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Jungle Book tiger, Shere Khan was a B-A-D tiger! |
PassingFair |
Jan-18-08 09:29 AM |
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As far as I recall, he was a man eating tiger. |
lizzy |
Jan-18-08 06:44 PM |
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This was obvious. It was just a question of when the brothers |
question everything |
Jan-18-08 01:26 AM |
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They may have thrown stones and washers at the tigers |
kskiska |
Jan-18-08 02:10 AM |
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What a cruel zoo |
jberryhill |
Jan-24-08 04:33 PM |
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i don't think i've ever been to a zoo where outdoor exhibits prevent people from throwing things... |
QuestionAll |
Jan-24-08 04:42 PM |
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Then maybe they should be re-designed |
jberryhill |
Jan-24-08 09:45 PM |
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but then- it's never really been about the best interests of the animals. |
QuestionAll |
Jan-24-08 09:56 PM |
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Shocked. SHOCKED! Drugs and alcohol too - is there to be no end to surprises? |
panzerfaust |
Jan-18-08 06:25 AM |
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It may be even worse. This is only what they told the dead guy's father. |
kskiska |
Jan-18-08 08:15 AM |
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I'm Glad This Has Come Out. These Guys Were Boneheads |
Crisco |
Jan-18-08 06:38 AM |
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I'm having trouble working up any sympathy for these jerks. |
mwb970 |
Jan-18-08 07:21 AM |
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It is rather clear to me that the dangerous animal needs to be |
lizzy |
Jan-18-08 07:37 AM |
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I do see your point. |
mwb970 |
Jan-18-08 07:53 AM |
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"Perhaps the morons are blameless victims of blatant lawbreaking by the zoo" |
panzerfaust |
Jan-18-08 08:06 AM |
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Parents of crying children expect them to get eaten by tigers |
MediaBabe |
Jan-18-08 09:09 PM |
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Let's remove all barriers between zoo tigers and spectators |
nebula |
Jan-18-08 01:01 PM |
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Exactly! Their friend laying in a pool of blood will teach them! |
plainsight |
Jan-18-08 04:14 PM |
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they damn well should be fucking guilt ridden as hell.... |
Scout |
Jan-18-08 04:34 PM |
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And I suppose everybody at that zoo should sleep like babies. |
lizzy |
Jan-18-08 06:45 PM |
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cuz those "boys" were just minding their own business and that |
Scout |
Jan-19-08 07:21 AM |
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To me, that is just the stupidest argument, to suggest that |
lizzy |
Jan-19-08 08:42 AM |
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Where in the fuck were the zookeepers? |
The Stranger |
Jan-18-08 09:25 AM |
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We out sourced our zoo management. The zookeepers were |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-18-08 04:37 PM |
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6.2 Billion people on the planet |
snooper2 |
Jan-18-08 09:37 AM |
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Pity nobody else happened along and shoved them in. |
seawolf |
Jan-18-08 10:25 AM |
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Exactly! Having their friend killed is too soft a punishment IMO. |
plainsight |
Jan-18-08 04:11 PM |
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Sarcasm, sarcasm. Doesn't change my beliefs. |
seawolf |
Jan-19-08 12:41 PM |
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Idiots |
humbled_opinion |
Jan-20-08 12:21 PM |
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I'm pro tiger too. Teenagers at closing time? Common sense tells you that something fishy happened. |
TheGoldenRule |
Jan-18-08 10:30 AM |
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Yep... |
humbled_opinion |
Jan-18-08 12:41 PM |
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Exactly! Having a tiger slash the throat of their friend is a lesson learned! |
plainsight |
Jan-18-08 04:13 PM |
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Hate on who the poor animal...or the idiot that knew better? |
humbled_opinion |
Jan-20-08 11:10 AM |
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I once had the opportunity |
LanternWaste |
Jan-18-08 01:13 PM |
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Great story. I would love to have done that. |
RebelOne |
Jan-18-08 01:23 PM |
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That's a good story. I have felt the same way since this story broke. |
yardwork |
Jan-18-08 04:04 PM |
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You're right. The animal had to have been provoked way beyond |
kskiska |
Jan-18-08 04:22 PM |
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It's obvious that those three men deliberately provoked the tiger. |
yardwork |
Jan-19-08 12:38 PM |
#147 |
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I agree with all but one word: requirement |
minnesota_liberal |
Jan-19-08 06:16 PM |
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what a wonderful story, LanternWaste |
blondie58 |
Jan-19-08 10:17 AM |
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yes, the tiger had enough of the idiot human |
katty |
Jan-18-08 03:59 PM |
#106 |
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Can't wait for the zoo rebellion! If we're lucky they'll kill us all! |
plainsight |
Jan-18-08 04:15 PM |
#112 |
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if it's so hateful here, you're perfectly free to LEAVE.... |
Scout |
Jan-18-08 04:35 PM |
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Search Warrant Affidavit |
kskiska |
Jan-18-08 05:44 PM |
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Everyone should read the affadavit linked in kskiska's post!!!! n/t |
Scout |
Jan-19-08 07:31 AM |
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Not just tigers being taunted. |
EvilAL |
Jan-19-08 08:31 AM |
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Could very well have been groups of different people |
lizzy |
Jan-19-08 09:18 AM |
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That's what I was thinking too |
EvilAL |
Jan-19-08 09:40 AM |
#137 |
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Apparently, according to research, it's not uncommon for |
lizzy |
Jan-19-08 11:19 AM |
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It makes me angry that the zoo allowed this to go on. |
yardwork |
Jan-19-08 12:46 PM |
#149 |
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Hmmmmmmmm... |
Dyedinthewoolliberal |
Jan-18-08 05:50 PM |
#120 |
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Why should we believe what they say? They are liars. |
Evergreen Emerald |
Jan-18-08 06:25 PM |
#121 |
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If it ever happens to me. |
EvilAL |
Jan-19-08 08:01 AM |
#133 |
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I live in the best of both worlds |
junior college |
Jan-19-08 10:29 AM |
#139 |
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Well, in a civil lawsuit, even if the jury decides the victims were |
lizzy |
Jan-19-08 11:46 AM |
#141 |
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Strict liability when you harbor wild animals |
AngryAmish |
Jan-19-08 02:03 PM |
#153 |
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Who posted that 3 male friends < 25 and after hrs probably did something dumb to agitate the tiger? |
minnesota_liberal |
Jan-19-08 11:55 AM |
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Wow. How did you guess? |
lizzy |
Jan-19-08 03:03 PM |
#155 |
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Elementary, my dear Lizzy |
minnesota_liberal |
Jan-19-08 05:45 PM |
#159 |
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Hah? |
lizzy |
Jan-19-08 06:20 PM |
#161 |
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Nice try. Thanks for playing. |
minnesota_liberal |
Jan-19-08 10:56 PM |
#162 |
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Our actions have consequences |
IndyBob |
Jan-19-08 12:35 PM |
#146 |
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Very good post. |
yardwork |
Jan-19-08 12:51 PM |
#151 |
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Thank you |
IndyBob |
Jan-19-08 03:28 PM |
#156 |
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So the consequences of taking my children to the zoo is.. |
jberryhill |
Jan-25-08 11:37 AM |
#179 |
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Why did they kill the tiger? |
onyxred |
Jan-25-08 09:06 PM |
#183 |
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It was killed in action, while trying to maul a victim. |
lizzy |
Jan-26-08 01:12 AM |
#184 |
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Karma can be a bitch. These stupid punks got what they deserved. |
Seabiscuit |
Jan-26-08 01:55 AM |
#185 |