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149. AND that he was dismissed from the group long ago.
so it would APPEAR he set them up. KNOWING he would be turned away... Most likely because he had seen that behavior Repeatedly from that group of "Christians". Sorry having dealt with that mindset, and witnessing first hand myself the misuse of Christ to justify their picking and choosing what PARTS of the doctrine to follow. the TRUTH is Money is their God.
This is not hate i am spewing. I am sorry this happened. however glossing over the actual actions of the Fundamentalists. is part of how this happened. their is no way on gods green earth anyone from that group ever asks, "What would Jesus do." Jesus wouldn't turn away ANYONE, no matter what. Actions speak louder than words.
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  -Shooting at New Life Church (Haggard's church, second shooting today) BleedingHeartPatriot  Dec-09-07 03:20 PM   #0 
  - I cannot stand any of these fundies, but this is sad.  niyad   Dec-09-07 03:25 PM   #1 
  - 2 dead per fox  rodeodance   Dec-09-07 03:29 PM   #2 
  - isn't that the two from arvada? local news isn't reporting any fatalities yet  niyad   Dec-09-07 03:41 PM   #4 
     - Nevermind, I misunderstood the content of the question. Not much yet on fatalities.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Dec-09-07 03:43 PM   #7 
  - If only they'd had the Ten Commandments posted there...  Crunchy Frog   Dec-09-07 03:32 PM   #3 
  - Could be the Pastor  XboxWarrior   Dec-09-07 03:42 PM   #5 
  - let's make fun of dead people!  dwickham   Dec-09-07 03:42 PM   #6 
     - Yes! Lets.  Tulum_Moon   Dec-09-07 03:45 PM   #8 
     - New Life does that?  BleedingHeartPatriot   Dec-09-07 03:47 PM   #9 
     - No Homeless allowed...  XboxWarrior   Dec-09-07 03:51 PM   #12 
        - 2nd edit, thanks for the update. That building is huge.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Dec-09-07 03:56 PM   #13 
     - two separate incidents here--the shooting in arvada this morning and the shooting  niyad   Dec-09-07 04:08 PM   #14 
        - Thanks for clarifying.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Dec-09-07 04:13 PM   #15 
     - Not making fun of the dead people.  Crunchy Frog   Dec-09-07 03:48 PM   #10 
        - you ever hear of apples and oranges?  dwickham   Dec-09-07 03:50 PM   #11 
  - Latest update:  BleedingHeartPatriot   Dec-09-07 04:23 PM   #16 
  - Hospitals? What do they need hospitals for?  MindPilot   Dec-09-07 04:35 PM   #18 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-09-07 09:57 PM   #58 
        - I didn't ask about the size of my "arse"  MindPilot   Dec-09-07 10:12 PM   #61 
           - Sure he does. What, you think Liberal Doctors heal gutshot wounds?  tom_paine   Dec-10-07 06:28 AM   #83 
           - Once again, to be a snarky shit in this thread  spoony   Dec-10-07 06:49 AM   #86 
              - So now I'm not only a "gigantic arsehole" but also a "snarky shit"  MindPilot   Dec-10-07 08:24 AM   #90 
  - CNN now says a suspect may have been detained. n/t  Akoto   Dec-09-07 04:28 PM   #17 
  - A.M. shooting on Faith Bible Chapel land--War on Christmas people  Democrats_win   Dec-09-07 04:40 PM   #19 
  - Both churches are mega churches.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Dec-09-07 04:44 PM   #21 
  - A death penalty society reaps what it sows. n/t  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-09-07 04:42 PM   #20 
  - Replace the words  pipoman   Dec-09-07 06:36 PM   #26 
     - That's a despicable comparison and a cheap attack  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-09-07 07:06 PM   #28 
     - Please direct me to this "strong evidence"  pipoman   Dec-09-07 07:23 PM   #30 
     - With pleasure  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-09-07 07:33 PM   #32 
        - I prefer to take my "strong evidence"  pipoman   Dec-09-07 07:48 PM   #34 
           - whatever you "prefer"  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-09-07 08:22 PM   #38 
              - Then what is the purpose of your post in this thread??? N/T  pipoman   Dec-09-07 08:25 PM   #39 
                 - ah. I point out your dishonesty, and you counter by asking what my purpose is.  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-09-07 08:36 PM   #40 
                    - well..  pipoman   Dec-09-07 08:52 PM   #42 
                    - I answered your question. You're just being disingenuous.  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-09-07 09:34 PM   #46 
                    - Which is  pipoman   Dec-09-07 09:51 PM   #51 
                    - Ok fine. Don't be honest with me, and continue to compare me to Fred Phelps  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-09-07 09:55 PM   #55 
                    - Why do you hate America?  kestrel91316   Dec-10-07 03:17 PM   #114 
                    - Not surprisingly, you failed to answer my question:::  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-09-07 09:47 PM   #47 
                    - I don't necessarily agree or disagree  pipoman   Dec-09-07 10:07 PM   #60 
                       - I made a statement. YOU decided to engage it. You say "I haven't really studied the issue"...  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-09-07 10:18 PM   #62 
                          - To equate the death penalty  pipoman   Dec-09-07 10:27 PM   #63 
                             - Well, you can sugar coat the events if you wish. I choose to do otherwise...  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-09-07 10:55 PM   #66 
                    - He believes, like Fred Phelps, that WE AMERICANS have it coming.  kestrel91316   Dec-10-07 03:11 PM   #113 
                       - Who are you referring to when you say "He believes", sir?  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-10-07 09:25 PM   #142 
                    - So, Harper_is_Bush, are you saying the Japanese have less respect for human life?  slackmaster   Dec-09-07 09:48 PM   #48 
                    - Please don't play stupid games with me  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-09-07 09:53 PM   #52 
                       - Japan has the death penalty  slackmaster   Dec-09-07 09:54 PM   #53 
                          - And......  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-09-07 09:56 PM   #57 
                          - You can now attempt to put the Japanese on higher moral ground than US citizens  slackmaster   Dec-10-07 12:16 AM   #76 
                             - I don't see any reason to do either of those things  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-10-07 07:35 AM   #88 
                          - The death penalty is very rarely imposed in post-wr Japan  pnorman   Dec-09-07 11:05 PM   #68 
                             - blah blah blah moral relativism blah blah blah  slackmaster   Dec-10-07 12:16 AM   #77 
                    - I support the death penalty in certain limited cases (child rape/murder,  kestrel91316   Dec-10-07 03:09 PM   #112 
     - That's not the real reason why the death penalty increases murders.  IanDB1   Dec-10-07 06:15 AM   #81 
     - Completely rude post. Harper -is-Bush did not mean anything of the sort.  vickiss   Dec-09-07 07:07 PM   #29 
        - I find this bit of reason curious  pipoman   Dec-09-07 07:33 PM   #33 
           - That is NOT wtf I said at all. And I never had a 'giggle' at such misfortune for ANYONE, ever.  vickiss   Dec-09-07 10:31 PM   #64 
              - It seems to me you are the one jumping  pipoman   Dec-09-07 10:44 PM   #65 
              - You don't have to 'understand' karma, it  vickiss   Dec-09-07 11:27 PM   #70 
                 - I wish  pipoman   Dec-09-07 11:46 PM   #74 
                    - Happy Holidays to you also pipoman!  vickiss   Dec-10-07 04:47 AM   #79 
              - Get used to that poster accusing you of saying things you didn't say.  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-09-07 11:43 PM   #73 
                 - We resolved it amicably after all. He can listen to reason when not  vickiss   Dec-10-07 04:54 AM   #80 
  - This still sounds bad. And they're already trying to dissuade anyone from thinking there's a  BleedingHeartPatriot   Dec-09-07 05:25 PM   #22 
  - Well, it IS like 70 miles between the two  Robb   Dec-09-07 05:32 PM   #23 
     - It's all very bizarre. The other church is huge as well, the shooting took place in one  BleedingHeartPatriot   Dec-09-07 05:37 PM   #24 
     - That 70 miles is an easy drive on the freeway. They sand and plow  kestrel91316   Dec-10-07 03:26 PM   #115 
  - This is truly horrible  comtec   Dec-09-07 06:16 PM   #25 
  - Can we now have gun control?? after this and the Mall shooting??  ihelpu2see   Dec-09-07 06:57 PM   #27 
  - The armed man who killed the shooter  Pavulon   Dec-09-07 07:31 PM   #31 
  - Pssst,  BleedingHeartPatriot   Dec-10-07 07:10 AM   #87 
     - It was breaking..  Pavulon   Dec-10-07 06:53 PM   #137 
  - And how will gun control work?  RamboLiberal   Dec-09-07 08:02 PM   #37 
  - so how does it work in Canada or Great Britain? Both modern countries with  ihelpu2see   Dec-09-07 09:51 PM   #50 
     - I think both have a population that thinks much differently than U.S.  RamboLiberal   Dec-10-07 11:26 AM   #93 
     - I don't think that is so. We live in a country where you can be pulled over  ihelpu2see   Dec-10-07 05:54 PM   #133 
     - Canada and Britain are among the most murderous societies  provis99   Dec-10-07 06:44 PM   #136 
        - Yeah,we had just as many murders in Canada as Chicago.  Swede   Dec-10-07 09:30 PM   #143 
  - We have lots of gun control now  slackmaster   Dec-09-07 09:49 PM   #49 
  - Both the Mall shooting earlier this week and the Church shooting today with  ihelpu2see   Dec-09-07 09:55 PM   #54 
     - That law didn't ban anything.  benEzra   Dec-10-07 10:31 AM   #91 
        - Exactly - that was a stupid law that did diddly except  RamboLiberal   Dec-10-07 11:49 AM   #97 
        - It banned the sk rifle that was used in the mall, if I recall correctly..nt  ihelpu2see   Dec-10-07 05:45 PM   #132 
           - SKS's weren't affected, no.  benEzra   Dec-10-07 06:28 PM   #134 
  - According to ABC an armed guard killed the gunman  RamboLiberal   Dec-09-07 08:00 PM   #35 
  - The church has ARMED security?!!!!  mycritters2   Dec-09-07 11:03 PM   #67 
     - A church that wants to protect its money!  drking81   Dec-09-07 11:08 PM   #69 
     - Churches aren't supposed to keep riff-raff out. nt  mycritters2   Dec-09-07 11:31 PM   #71 
        - Your right, however  drking81   Dec-09-07 11:38 PM   #72 
           - I think you're right. nt  mycritters2   Dec-09-07 11:47 PM   #75 
     - The guard is for those occasions when god is moving in a" mysterious way".  IanDB1   Dec-10-07 06:18 AM   #82 
     - It sounds like the "guard"  pipoman   Dec-10-07 10:46 AM   #92 
        - Okay. What kind of parishioner brings a concealed gun  mycritters2   Dec-10-07 02:14 PM   #99 
           - well..  pipoman   Dec-10-07 02:46 PM   #105 
           - A smart one  Marie26   Dec-10-07 02:48 PM   #106 
           - One who anticipates an attack by those godless atheists or  kestrel91316   Dec-10-07 03:29 PM   #117 
  - Apparently, the suspect was shot by a church security guard. n/t  BleedingHeartPatriot   Dec-09-07 08:01 PM   #36 
  - who ever heard of an armed  Froward69   Dec-09-07 08:43 PM   #41 
     - When you have a church that size and collections with a lot of $$$$  RamboLiberal   Dec-09-07 09:03 PM   #44 
     - Apparently the pastor feels the need for a personal guard  RamboLiberal   Dec-10-07 12:15 PM   #98 
     - Well, I'm a pastor, and I'd resign before I'd accept armed body gurads  mycritters2   Dec-10-07 02:17 PM   #100 
     - Well, they were awfully smart to have an armed guard, weren't they?  piedmont   Dec-10-07 03:26 PM   #116 
  - A Christian drive-by?  boricua79   Dec-09-07 08:54 PM   #43 
  - uh...haha?? n/t  India3   Dec-09-07 09:57 PM   #59 
  - you have to be in the community  boricua79   Dec-10-07 06:34 AM   #84 
  - Stephanie, 18, and Rachael, 16, of Denver, were killed in the shooting  MathGuy   Dec-11-07 12:51 AM   #146 
  - There are 8,000 murders by handgun in the U.S. every year  gristy   Dec-09-07 09:22 PM   #45 
  - I trust you were similarly objecting in the Omaha mall threads, too  spoony   Dec-09-07 09:55 PM   #56 
  - K*R What a tragic event this is. What the heck is goingon? n/t  autorank   Dec-10-07 01:53 AM   #78 
  - Here's my guess. Living in Tyranny, even for those who don't realize it  tom_paine   Dec-10-07 06:40 AM   #85 
     - Thank you! I didn't really expect my ? to be answered - bookmarked!  autorank   Dec-10-07 02:25 PM   #101 
  - Can anyone say Hypocrites?  Froward69   Dec-10-07 08:00 AM   #89 
  - How do you know that if given shelter he wouldn't have snapped  RamboLiberal   Dec-10-07 11:29 AM   #94 
  - the the onsaught of hypothermia can make you loose rationality.  Froward69   Dec-10-07 08:25 PM   #140 
     - There is reporting now  pipoman   Dec-11-07 12:31 AM   #145 
        - AND that he was dismissed from the group long ago.  Froward69   Dec-11-07 07:50 AM   #149 
           - This isn't a shelter  pipoman   Dec-11-07 08:14 AM   #150 
              - Thank you for the assumptions.  Froward69   Dec-11-07 08:41 AM   #152 
  - Self Delete  RamboLiberal   Dec-10-07 11:31 AM   #95 
  - I say good job by the female security guard  RamboLiberal   Dec-10-07 11:34 AM   #96 
  - Why the heck are some of you laughing about this?  mainegreen   Dec-10-07 02:31 PM   #102 
  - Yep. And then they want to know why they have no credibility....  Yael   Dec-10-07 02:34 PM   #103 
  - Yeah,but they're white Christians.  Swede   Dec-10-07 02:42 PM   #104 
  - I'm with you - this is nothing to joke about  RamboLiberal   Dec-10-07 02:54 PM   #109 
  - Some DUers have no problem whatsoever with white Christians being murdered  MathGuy   Dec-11-07 03:20 PM   #153 
  - I would like to ask those of you who are questioning the need  pipoman   Dec-10-07 02:50 PM   #107 
  - Why are people who believe they've gained eternal life,  mycritters2   Dec-10-07 02:53 PM   #108 
     - And why do you fear armed security?  RamboLiberal   Dec-10-07 02:59 PM   #110 
     - In case of what?  mycritters2   Dec-10-07 03:02 PM   #111 
        - I realize their are Christians who  pipoman   Dec-10-07 03:43 PM   #118 
        - I refuse to participate in violence.  mycritters2   Dec-10-07 03:45 PM   #119 
           - So would you sit by and let more be murdered  RamboLiberal   Dec-10-07 04:00 PM   #121 
           - Behaving violently doesn't stop violence.  mycritters2   Dec-10-07 04:03 PM   #123 
              - I think some people have tried your way  RamboLiberal   Dec-10-07 04:14 PM   #127 
                 - It seems to have worked for Ghandi.  mycritters2   Dec-10-07 04:16 PM   #128 
                    - Ghandi's tactics worked against civilzed men. Against men bent on murder? NO.  Countdown_3_2_1   Dec-10-07 06:33 PM   #135 
           - An admirable position  pipoman   Dec-10-07 04:58 PM   #130 
           - Good for you. If we all had this mindset, NONE of us would have to  kestrel91316   Dec-10-07 07:22 PM   #138 
        - Just cause someone believes in eternal l life  RamboLiberal   Dec-10-07 03:59 PM   #120 
        - Someone who believes in eternal life,  mycritters2   Dec-10-07 04:04 PM   #124 
        - ah but you never answered why you fear armed security  RamboLiberal   Dec-10-07 04:01 PM   #122 
           - Armed police are a form of violence. I'd look for other ways to  mycritters2   Dec-10-07 04:05 PM   #125 
              - Then never call 911 if your home is ever invaded n/t  RamboLiberal   Dec-10-07 04:11 PM   #126 
     - you don't fear getting shot in the eyeball much, do you?  Tejas   Dec-10-07 09:32 PM   #144 
  - Colo. Church Gunman `hated Christians'  Leo 9   Dec-10-07 04:34 PM   #129 
  - Security Guard was just on local TV here! What a hero.  joshcryer   Dec-10-07 05:42 PM   #131 
  - Since he hated Christians, is this a hate crime?  ChazII   Dec-10-07 07:48 PM   #139 
  - That's the question of the day. n/t  rucky   Dec-11-07 06:45 AM   #148 
  - Yes  insleeforprez   Dec-11-07 08:20 AM   #151 
  - Kudos to the guard...  Stump   Dec-10-07 08:45 PM   #141 
  - With the ammo on the guy - the lady saved A LOT of lives -nt  democrat2thecore   Dec-11-07 03:10 AM   #147 

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