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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:34 AM
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50. China is complex
because its consumers are not allowed to (legally) invest in foreign markets. So you have blending of the oppressor state and free market behavior. The government can invest here, but not citizens. A weak dollar buys them positions of value in our market at discount. Once in that position they have no interest in causing devaluation.

So IPOs on the Chinese market are always a hit. Because if you live in china and have spare money you can either bank it, put under the mattress, or invest it domestically.

China's markets are very complex and volatile. Any change by the state can cause big shifts for the individual.

It is unwise to lump in the function of the economy to one administration. Many times there are significant lags and fast forward events that happen independent of who sits in the whitehouse.

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  - Another stirring foreign policy "success" for the Neocons. nt  bemildred   Dec-08-07 08:02 AM   #1 
  - The Euro is strong compared with the dollar. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Dec-08-07 06:23 PM   #75 
     - Lot's of currencies are "strong" compared to the dollar. nt  bemildred   Dec-09-07 08:48 AM   #98 
        - Yep. This country is being slowly destroyed by corporate a-holes  Sarah Ibarruri   Dec-09-07 10:48 AM   #102 
  - Euros, Yuan, and Yen  ixion   Dec-08-07 08:03 AM   #2 
  - how inconvenient for bush  Betty   Dec-08-07 08:09 AM   #3 
  - Worst President in history?  screembloodymurder   Dec-08-07 08:16 AM   #4 
     - I was just pondering the other day ...  krkaufman   Dec-08-07 05:35 PM   #70 
  - Does this have dire consequences for the dollar?  End Of The Road   Dec-08-07 08:17 AM   #5 
  - Iran has been steadily dropping the dollar all year  Robbien   Dec-08-07 08:26 AM   #7 
     - Considering *ss's diplomacy policies we are damn lucky that  jwirr   Dec-08-07 10:42 AM   #36 
     - Its Also Partly Why Bush Was Hellbent on War with Iran, IMO  Demeter   Dec-08-07 06:32 PM   #76 
  - the us might want to start thinking about trading in the euro or yuan.  bullimiami   Dec-08-07 08:25 AM   #6 
  - Not Quite  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 08:50 AM   #9 
  - And what exactly are we making here and selling overseas?  fasttense   Dec-08-07 09:18 AM   #20 
  - Why DEBT of course!  Paulie   Dec-08-07 12:01 PM   #51 
  - The same stuff the EU  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 12:12 PM   #54 
     - Not so fast....  liberation   Dec-08-07 07:46 PM   #79 
     - You optimist, you!  davekriss   Dec-09-07 09:39 AM   #101 
  - stillmadeinusa.com  spag68   Dec-08-07 05:39 PM   #71 
  - US is #2 exporting economy  dmallind   Dec-08-07 08:57 PM   #85 
  - The US is the world's largest industrial economy  Psephos   Dec-08-07 11:28 PM   #91 
  - Not in China and not necessarily ...  BearSquirrel2   Dec-08-07 09:47 AM   #31 
  - The US still has plenty of tariffs...  liberation   Dec-08-07 07:58 PM   #80 
     - Tariffs that used to be 20% and are now like 1 or 2%.  FogerRox   Dec-08-07 11:12 PM   #89 
  - Another strategy for surplus dollar holders is to spend them  mbperrin   Dec-08-07 10:54 AM   #39 
  - China is complex  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 11:34 AM   #50 
     - Nothing too complicated about it.  mbperrin   Dec-08-07 12:11 PM   #53 
        - Remember when all the morons were smashing Japanese cars  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 12:21 PM   #55 
        - Long Beach, yes, take a look.  mbperrin   Dec-08-07 12:26 PM   #57 
        - Now you are in the weeds  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 12:38 PM   #59 
        - Honda uses PRISON LABOR in the U.S.  ingac70   Dec-08-07 04:59 PM   #67 
           - Make a damn reliable car  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 11:55 PM   #93 
              - Prison labor...  ingac70   Dec-09-07 12:28 AM   #97 
                 - Forced Slave Labor?  Pavulon   Dec-09-07 11:07 AM   #105 
                    - Bullshit--as long asthe work is in prisons, getting out means losing your job  eridani   Dec-09-07 01:22 PM   #120 
                    - Those guys...  ingac70   Dec-09-07 03:22 PM   #124 
        - national debt  spag68   Dec-08-07 05:43 PM   #72 
  - That's nice but our manufacturing base is being eliminated..  rexcat   Dec-08-07 08:10 PM   #83 
  - I wish I could be paid in euros. The dollar has no future.  tom_paine   Dec-08-07 09:17 AM   #18 
  - Irrelevant. Oil is VALUED in $  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 08:48 AM   #8 
  - and the dollar is very weak, so their Euros will go farther n/t  AZDemDist6   Dec-08-07 08:52 AM   #10 
  - No, The WSJ had a great piece on this  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 09:09 AM   #14 
     - I probably wouldn't trust the WSJ on this.  aquart   Dec-08-07 09:20 AM   #22 
     - You don't see this a the first logical steps to changing oil valuation entirely?  tom_paine   Dec-08-07 09:26 AM   #26 
     - Elegant but wrong..  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 09:50 AM   #33 
        - The CEOs of Exxon and Shell and the Saudi Princes aren't aristocrats?  tom_paine   Dec-08-07 10:10 AM   #35 
        - Question for you Pavulon  ooglymoogly   Dec-08-07 09:01 PM   #86 
        - Question for you ooglymoogly  Psephos   Dec-08-07 11:49 PM   #92 
        - A democrat and Democrat  Pavulon   Dec-09-07 09:36 AM   #100 
           - So what you are saying is  ooglymoogly   Dec-09-07 01:31 PM   #121 
        - Iran and Venezuela bit players!?!?....there needs to be a laugh track  ooglymoogly   Dec-08-07 10:16 PM   #87 
           - Pissants  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 11:57 PM   #94 
              - dream on  ooglymoogly   Dec-09-07 11:40 PM   #127 
     - This would be Rupert Murdoch's WSJ?  KnaveRupe   Dec-08-07 05:35 PM   #69 
        - I never ceases to amaze the capacity of some people to not use common sense...  liberation   Dec-08-07 08:08 PM   #81 
           - Not quite  Pavulon   Dec-09-07 12:01 AM   #95 
              - MATH is also "Commom Sense"... sometimes!  jordi_fanclub   Dec-09-07 09:25 PM   #125 
  - ........ Hmmmm  0007   Dec-08-07 09:02 AM   #13 
  - It may be valued in dollars  Tempest   Dec-08-07 11:03 AM   #41 
  - Not really  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 11:27 AM   #47 
  - Another reason to give him the moniker "Amadingynutjob".  HypnoToad   Dec-08-07 12:03 PM   #52 
  - Not for long, it isn't  Hydra   Dec-08-07 03:04 PM   #64 
  - For now it is. nt  SarahBelle   Dec-08-07 05:56 PM   #73 
  - This is not a topic permitted to be addressed on Amerikan TV Infoganda  tom_paine   Dec-08-07 08:53 AM   #11 
  - USA Today crowd  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 09:11 AM   #15 
     - Missing my point. Whatever the mechanism, greater than 90% of Amerikan Subjects  tom_paine   Dec-08-07 09:15 AM   #17 
        - I refuse to support the "death" of a nation meme  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 09:45 AM   #30 
           - I won't say China. And if you think what is going on in this coutnry is the result of one bad  tom_paine   Dec-08-07 10:00 AM   #34 
           - Regret it?  PassingFair   Dec-09-07 11:27 AM   #108 
           - The US EMpire is in decline, while China and India are on the upswing.  FogerRox   Dec-08-07 11:15 PM   #90 
  - Venezuela is next  Toots   Dec-08-07 08:54 AM   #12 
  - You have it Inverted  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 09:14 AM   #16 
     - How long until China can refine?  End Of The Road   Dec-08-07 09:17 AM   #19 
     - How long to build a pipeline to get it there  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 09:40 AM   #27 
        - That pipeline was agreed on with China in 2004  Viva_La_Revolution   Dec-08-07 11:03 AM   #42 
           - A pipe from South America to China?  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 11:25 AM   #46 
              - You're missing the point.  edwardlindy   Dec-08-07 01:36 PM   #62 
                 - In fact, he's doing more than that.  dantyrant   Dec-08-07 04:52 PM   #66 
     - Must be interesting living in a fantasyland.  Toots   Dec-08-07 09:19 AM   #21 
     - See WSJ and the FT  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 09:40 AM   #28 
     - Venezuela has huge aluminum reserves, and tremendous agricultural capacity  1932   Dec-08-07 09:21 AM   #24 
     - If I were leading Venezuela I would put my money in my own  jwirr   Dec-08-07 10:51 AM   #37 
        - Instead, they're diversifying the economy, and building up 'value adding' industries  1932   Dec-08-07 11:16 AM   #43 
        - Or Build sectors that do not rely on rotten  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 11:28 AM   #48 
     - Do you get that international deals in the past few years bypass us?  aquart   Dec-08-07 09:24 AM   #25 
     - Really, What happened in the UK during the subprime  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 09:42 AM   #29 
     - Within 2 years, Venezuela will no longer need to sell to us if they don't want to.  Viva_La_Revolution   Dec-08-07 10:53 AM   #38 
     - Wouldn't it be a hoot  End Of The Road   Dec-08-07 11:01 AM   #40 
     - Any oil they sell to markets  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 11:20 AM   #44 
     - Not according to the Council on Foreign Relations.  mbperrin   Dec-08-07 12:21 PM   #56 
        - Micro and Macro  Pavulon   Dec-08-07 12:33 PM   #58 
           - Now we have something to talk about.  mbperrin   Dec-08-07 12:48 PM   #60 
  - The Bush/Cheney screw up, oil traded in Petro-Euros not Petro-dollars  whistle   Dec-08-07 09:21 AM   #23 
  - And now, to quote the inimitable Ronald Reagan,  NCevilDUer   Dec-08-07 09:47 AM   #32 
  - Perhaps this was their scheme all along - destruction of US economy  Venus Dog   Dec-08-07 11:24 AM   #45 
  - Their main concern is protection of their own society, not destruction of the US/Israel  Robbien   Dec-08-07 11:29 AM   #49 
     - Different 'they'.  NCevilDUer   Dec-08-07 05:03 PM   #68 
  - Clueless American media ignoring story  featherman   Dec-08-07 12:49 PM   #61 
  - I think you're misunderstanding the media's role  dantyrant   Dec-08-07 06:10 PM   #74 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-08-07 10:17 PM   #88 
        - No we do not!  LeftishBrit   Dec-09-07 11:39 AM   #116 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-09-07 01:03 PM   #119 
           - And the same article (which I have now looked at, so I will need a shower)  LeftishBrit   Dec-09-07 01:47 PM   #122 
              - I hope not!  Lurking Dem   Dec-09-07 01:51 PM   #123 
  - I'm just wondering.........  TriMetFan   Dec-08-07 02:16 PM   #63 
  - Jeez, I wonder why?  libodem   Dec-08-07 04:13 PM   #65 
  - Uh huh. That was their "nuke".  reprehensor   Dec-08-07 07:19 PM   #77 
  - Economically this act is the kiss of death for the U.S. because  whistle   Dec-08-07 07:39 PM   #78 
  - Sky falling, run little chickens  Pavulon   Dec-09-07 12:06 AM   #96 
     - Do You Support Milton Friedman's Economics? (nt)  fascisthunter   Dec-09-07 10:53 AM   #103 
     - Friedman was a brilliant economist..  Pavulon   Dec-09-07 11:27 AM   #109 
        - His "Brilliancy" Has Turned to Mud  fascisthunter   Dec-09-07 11:32 AM   #110 
        - You mean in China?  Pavulon   Dec-09-07 11:36 AM   #113 
           - Dodge?! I'm shocked!!!!!!!!!1111 Buh Bye (nt)  fascisthunter   Dec-09-07 11:39 AM   #114 
              - Good Luck, Take macro and micro at 10am  Pavulon   Dec-09-07 11:42 AM   #117 
        - Thatcher was a great fan of Friedman...  LeftishBrit   Dec-09-07 12:13 PM   #118 
     - I doubt George Soros would agree with anything you have written and I would bet his  Toots   Dec-09-07 11:07 AM   #104 
     - I tend not to destroy Asian markets by hedge  Pavulon   Dec-09-07 11:17 AM   #106 
     - Well, today US $100 buys 68.22 Euros and 45.25 British Pounds  whistle   Dec-09-07 11:22 AM   #107 
        - And 100 Euros  Pavulon   Dec-09-07 11:33 AM   #111 
        - Hehehe...  jordi_fanclub   Dec-09-07 09:40 PM   #126 
        - I Caught That Too  fascisthunter   Dec-09-07 11:34 AM   #112 
           - If that is all you catch  Pavulon   Dec-09-07 11:39 AM   #115 
  - WSJ award  0007   Dec-08-07 08:09 PM   #82 
  - Well, I guess the war with Iran over their supposed "nuclear ambitions"  tavalon   Dec-08-07 08:14 PM   #84 
  - the REAL reason for the rush to war  HuffleClaw   Dec-09-07 09:10 AM   #99 
 

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