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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 05:37 PM
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118. All religions are rackets.
People who put money in the collection plate on Sunday are in the same category as people who buy snake oil from a con man, they are SUCKERS.
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  - Germany moves to ban Scientology eppur_se_muova  Dec-07-07 02:56 PM   #0 
  - The entire country will be branded as Suppressive  slackmaster   Dec-07-07 02:57 PM   #1 
  - And they were being so tolerant lately!  cbmanchester   Dec-07-07 03:21 PM   #11 
  - Good work, Deutschland  sasquatch   Dec-07-07 03:00 PM   #2 
  - I don't know as I agree with this  Mojorabbit   Dec-07-07 03:01 PM   #3 
  - I don't think its because of the precepts of the religion  knight_of_the_star   Dec-07-07 03:08 PM   #6 
  - In that case they'd be better off dealing with the practices  wtmusic   Dec-07-07 03:41 PM   #21 
  - I dunno, if that's the reason then it is a criminal organization...  Deep13   Dec-07-07 06:04 PM   #45 
     - Good point.  wtmusic   Dec-07-07 07:37 PM   #68 
  - Exactly, it's a business  Warpy   Dec-07-07 03:58 PM   #31 
     - Let me just say  Karenina   Dec-07-07 08:43 PM   #73 
     - Right, the stopped clock syndrome  Warpy   Dec-08-07 12:24 PM   #89 
     - I think its also the possible shades of Nazism  knight_of_the_star   Dec-09-07 02:28 AM   #110 
        - Agree, totally --- in fact, it's their moral duty to do just that ===  defendandprotect   Dec-12-07 12:19 AM   #145 
  - Because it only became a "religion" to avoid legal entanglements  LeftyMom   Dec-07-07 03:21 PM   #10 
  - According to people in SF (Hubbard started out as an SF author), ...  eppur_se_muova   Dec-07-07 03:36 PM   #18 
  - Science Fiction, that is.  quantessd   Dec-07-07 04:06 PM   #32 
  - I thought it was Aurthur C Clark  ideagarden   Dec-07-07 04:24 PM   #33 
  - I heard he made that bet with Harlan Ellison  Book Lover   Dec-07-07 05:20 PM   #36 
  - I heard the bet was with Anton LaVey  dancing kali   Dec-07-07 07:12 PM   #66 
  - True...and he won the bet  UnyieldingHierophant   Dec-11-07 09:41 AM   #132 
  - Wish I could remember where I read it, it wasn't on the Web so can't google it ...  eppur_se_muova   Dec-08-07 08:06 PM   #101 
  - It's a pyramid scheme  harmonicon   Dec-07-07 03:48 PM   #25 
  - And that differs from other religions, how?  PassingFair   Dec-07-07 06:01 PM   #44 
     - Others have posted it here already, but...  harmonicon   Dec-07-07 06:55 PM   #65 
     - Well...  PassingFair   Dec-08-07 07:34 AM   #82 
     - well, in Germany, church taxes are collected by the local tax office  reorg   Dec-08-07 12:10 PM   #87 
     - It's VOLUNTARY.  Karenina   Dec-08-07 01:13 PM   #94 
        - well, I can tell you that much:  reorg   Dec-08-07 01:42 PM   #96 
        - Look, there have to be consumer protections --- ever buy a car?  defendandprotect   Dec-12-07 12:24 AM   #147 
     - Je$u$ wiped out my grandmother's life savings.  Joe Bacon   Dec-08-07 01:24 PM   #95 
     - Depends on which religions you talk about  knight_of_the_star   Dec-09-07 02:26 AM   #109 
        - Hahahahah SOOOOOO true!  Marrah_G   Dec-11-07 09:08 AM   #131 
           - Not a bad thing really  knight_of_the_star   Dec-11-07 04:07 PM   #137 
              - I can completely relate  Marrah_G   Dec-11-07 04:31 PM   #139 
                 - Tell me about it  knight_of_the_star   Dec-13-07 01:24 PM   #156 
  - heres some of the problem.  Sin   Dec-07-07 06:22 PM   #53 
  - It's not a faith.  kgfnally   Dec-08-07 12:26 PM   #90 
  - yes, but this is not the question  reorg   Dec-08-07 12:50 PM   #93 
  - All religions are rackets.  Odin2005   Dec-09-07 05:37 PM   #118 
  - IIRC a lot of the definition between cult and religion according to the Germans I spoke with...  JVS   Dec-09-07 11:57 PM   #124 
  - It's a con that bilks people out of large amounts of money  Marrah_G   Dec-11-07 09:02 AM   #130 
     - In fact, Dems here are starting to investigate the huge churches with no church --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-12-07 12:22 AM   #146 
  - Gosh, it sounds like Germany  Turbineguy   Dec-07-07 03:01 PM   #4 
  - !  mycritters2   Dec-07-07 03:43 PM   #22 
  - "to be in conflict with the principles of the nation's constitution"  Mountainman   Dec-07-07 03:04 PM   #5 
  - sounds pretty arbitrary to me too  wtmusic   Dec-07-07 03:36 PM   #19 
     - Actually, they are usually  Prophet 451   Dec-07-07 05:44 PM   #37 
  - Is this AFTER Cruises movie has been filmed there?  benld74   Dec-07-07 03:10 PM   #7 
  - They do not want him there filming it in the first place  sasquatch   Dec-07-07 03:16 PM   #8 
  - Time for the popcorn  Holland   Dec-07-07 03:18 PM   #9 
  - Scientology is a cult, not a religion.  quantessd   Dec-07-07 03:22 PM   #12 
  - And that is different from the religions here how? nt  T Wolf   Dec-07-07 03:30 PM   #17 
  - Ding! goes the bell. nt  wtmusic   Dec-07-07 03:38 PM   #20 
  - Most churches that I am aware of do not demand money or fees, although it's certainly encouraged.  quantessd   Dec-07-07 03:49 PM   #26 
     - Thank you! That "all religions are cults" BS is *so* tiresome. (nt)  redqueen   Dec-07-07 06:18 PM   #51 
        - Not really, some are just more accepted than others.  Forkboy   Dec-07-07 06:27 PM   #56 
        - It's aboslute BS.  redqueen   Dec-07-07 06:29 PM   #57 
           - If you say so.  Forkboy   Dec-07-07 06:37 PM   #59 
           - No, not me. Experts in cults and deprogramming people. (nt)  redqueen   Dec-07-07 06:39 PM   #61 
           - One just bleeds you out quicker then the other.  bagrman   Dec-07-07 06:37 PM   #60 
           - Take it up with those who are experts in the field.  redqueen   Dec-07-07 06:40 PM   #62 
           - Not well-defined--a very thin line.  wtmusic   Dec-07-07 07:34 PM   #67 
           - This is true  Mojorabbit   Dec-07-07 10:49 PM   #74 
           - Normally I would be with you on this, but  knight_of_the_star   Dec-09-07 02:31 AM   #111 
           - Of course no religion would turn down money.  quantessd   Dec-08-07 02:24 AM   #78 
              - Religions are a little more subtle  wtmusic   Dec-08-07 03:45 PM   #100 
                 - Your entire freaking post is bullshit. The bigotry here is disgusting.  cryingshame   Dec-08-07 10:28 PM   #103 
                    - Apparently at the churches you attended they did not read from the Bible.  wtmusic   Dec-09-07 12:44 AM   #106 
           - A Religion is simply a cult legitimized by society  Odin2005   Dec-09-07 05:45 PM   #120 
           - There is a simpler argument. Germany has a legal definition of "cult"  JVS   Dec-09-07 11:41 PM   #122 
              - You seem to have no idea what you are talking about  reorg   Dec-11-07 03:46 PM   #136 
        - Uh, yes, those little things called "facts are so tiresome, aren't they?  Odin2005   Dec-09-07 05:41 PM   #119 
        - Organized patriarchal religions all began as "cults" -- using violene to force people to be members  defendandprotect   Dec-12-07 12:25 AM   #148 
  - It starts with a "C" and ends with "hristianity"...  DutchLiberal   Dec-07-07 05:46 PM   #39 
  - religion/ cult  zidzi   Dec-08-07 09:25 PM   #102 
     - Sounds like the rebubbalican party, doesn't it?  Buns_of_Fire   Dec-11-07 07:38 AM   #128 
  - They put it vaguely and  PATRICK   Dec-07-07 03:22 PM   #13 
  - Obviously they operate under a different constitution  JerseygirlCT   Dec-07-07 03:24 PM   #14 
  - The "organization" itself is the source of this behavior.  western mass   Dec-08-07 01:34 AM   #77 
  - Wow, Tom Cruise is gonna go APESHIT over this!  edbermac   Dec-07-07 03:24 PM   #15 
  - Isn't all this about some German movie involving Tom Cruise  kokono   Dec-07-07 05:54 PM   #41 
  - Well, they are dangerous nutters, much like neo-nazis.  mainegreen   Dec-07-07 03:27 PM   #16 
  - Those Type of "Nutters" are Not Just Indigenous to Germany  fascisthunter   Dec-07-07 03:55 PM   #28 
     - Indeed.  mainegreen   Dec-07-07 08:33 PM   #71 
        - That's True  fascisthunter   Dec-08-07 02:00 PM   #97 
        - With good reason  knight_of_the_star   Dec-09-07 02:35 AM   #112 
  - From the perspective of an atheist, that's a bad idea.  sss1977   Dec-07-07 03:46 PM   #23 
  - That's right...  CanSocDem   Dec-08-07 08:29 AM   #83 
  - Please ban Amway too.  sarcasmo   Dec-07-07 03:47 PM   #24 
  - I Don't Agree with Banning Scientology However...  fascisthunter   Dec-07-07 03:53 PM   #27 
  - here is the report:  reorg   Dec-08-07 12:20 PM   #88 
  - Deutschland Uber Crazyass Grifters  mitchum   Dec-07-07 03:55 PM   #29 
  - Why not ban Bilderberg? That would include Schaeuble .  CGowen   Dec-07-07 03:55 PM   #30 
  - Because Bilderberg was founded by a German...  DrDebug   Dec-09-07 03:50 AM   #114 
  - Scientology violates the rights of its "followers" and refuses to allow them to depart  Chulanowa   Dec-07-07 04:51 PM   #34 
  - Sound like Islam. Are they considered apostates?  seriousstan   Dec-10-07 12:05 AM   #125 
  - They were responsible for the first net "spam"  unc70   Dec-07-07 04:56 PM   #35 
  - A real democracy would allow even movements that want to undermine it.  DutchLiberal   Dec-07-07 05:45 PM   #38 
  - You have no idea how truly evil this group is. NT  JMDEM   Dec-07-07 06:20 PM   #52 
  - And you know me... how?  DutchLiberal   Dec-08-07 11:52 AM   #85 
  - Movements like National Socialism for example?  lamprey   Dec-08-07 09:02 AM   #84 
  - Purely theoretically speaking: yes.  DutchLiberal   Dec-08-07 11:56 AM   #86 
  - You're confusing democracy with civil liberties.  Selatius   Dec-08-07 02:08 PM   #98 
  - Tried that. Didn't work.  JVS   Dec-09-07 11:50 PM   #123 
  - I hope  L1A1Rocker   Dec-07-07 05:52 PM   #40 
  - Isn't it the same in France? It's considered a cult, so it's banned.  krabigirl   Dec-07-07 05:55 PM   #42 
  - What are the goals of the Church of Scientology?  ShaneGR   Dec-07-07 06:00 PM   #43 
  - here are the goals of Scientology  flyingfysh   Dec-07-07 06:04 PM   #46 
  - Actually, I just found a link, and its disturbing  ShaneGR   Dec-07-07 06:08 PM   #48 
     - hm, disturbing indeed  reorg   Dec-08-07 12:41 PM   #91 
  - Read the famous 1991 Time Magazine piece on "The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power"  gauguin57   Dec-07-07 06:10 PM   #49 
  - Goals of Scientology?  JMDEM   Dec-07-07 06:26 PM   #55 
  - Here's why: Infringement of human rights  BadgerKid   Dec-07-07 06:07 PM   #47 
  - See my post #48  ShaneGR   Dec-07-07 06:12 PM   #50 
  - the German "Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution"  reorg   Dec-08-07 03:50 AM   #79 
     - Scientology SHOULD BE outlawed  kgfnally   Dec-08-07 12:44 PM   #92 
        - nonsense  reorg   Dec-12-07 04:21 AM   #151 
  - Good riddance!  Owl   Dec-07-07 06:25 PM   #54 
  - I don't think we have to worry too much about the Scientologists reading this thread  JMDEM   Dec-07-07 06:32 PM   #58 
  - Cite?  Greyskye   Dec-07-07 06:45 PM   #63 
     - most have to use a special filter provided by Scientology  flyingfysh   Dec-07-07 08:25 PM   #70 
  - I wish all cults were banned, everywhere.  redqueen   Dec-07-07 06:49 PM   #64 
  - Ban cults? Careful DU might fit "exclusive group sharing an esoteric, intellectual interests".  jody   Dec-07-07 08:35 PM   #72 
     - except, DUers can't agree on anything except our disapproval of G.W. Bush.  quantessd   Dec-11-07 10:00 PM   #141 
  - wow. It didn't take long for the ethnic/racial slurs to break out here  provis99   Dec-07-07 07:47 PM   #69 
  - "U.S. State Department regularly criticizes Germany...  western mass   Dec-08-07 01:16 AM   #75 
  - not really seeing a problem with this  dwickham   Dec-08-07 01:18 AM   #76 
  - GOOD n/t  bitchkitty   Dec-08-07 05:34 AM   #80 
  - Couldn't they say that of every "religion" and wouldn't  pokercat999   Dec-08-07 06:17 AM   #81 
  - Banning cults is progressive  windoe   Dec-08-07 03:11 PM   #99 
  - Banning a religion, just like in the good old days!  Psephos   Dec-08-07 10:53 PM   #104 
     - The Tony Soprano defense.  western mass   Dec-09-07 12:49 AM   #107 
        - Then vigorously apply the laws that already exist against institutionalized thuggish behavior  Psephos   Dec-09-07 02:16 AM   #108 
           - It isn't exactly banning the religion though  knight_of_the_star   Dec-09-07 02:41 AM   #113 
              - How can banning the religion not be banning the religion?  Psephos   Dec-09-07 11:38 PM   #121 
                 - Because it isn't a religion.  Marrah_G   Dec-11-07 10:06 AM   #133 
                    - It's recognized as a religion by the IRS  Psephos   Dec-11-07 02:33 PM   #134 
                       - What is that definition, though? And just because the IRS  closeupready   Dec-11-07 04:10 PM   #138 
                          - This is about government sanction against a religion, so the govt definition is quite relevant  Psephos   Dec-12-07 02:19 PM   #153 
                             - no, Scientology is NOT treated as a religion under German tax codes n/t  reorg   Dec-12-07 10:31 PM   #154 
  - Too bad other countries aren't following their example  kurth   Dec-08-07 11:43 PM   #105 
  - Good-I hope they do the same here.  jzodda   Dec-09-07 04:01 AM   #115 
  - A government too weak to prosecute the many abuses...  Orsino   Dec-09-07 07:38 AM   #116 
  - I once agreed to take the Scientology "test", but they wouldn't let me use their bathroom  MetaTrope   Dec-09-07 09:10 AM   #117 
  - Got enough religions to abolish already... dont need new ones!  Crayson   Dec-10-07 10:31 AM   #126 
  - just let people believe what they want  screennaame   Dec-10-07 08:13 PM   #127 
  - It is not a religion it is a well planned con game....good for Germany  Marrah_G   Dec-11-07 09:01 AM   #129 
  - Good. F*cking weirdos....  truebrit71   Dec-11-07 02:54 PM   #135 
  - Great move on Germany's part!  ButterflyBlood   Dec-11-07 07:50 PM   #140 
  - This discussion is so pathetic and absurd it makes me cringe  reorg   Dec-11-07 11:08 PM   #142 
  - "Liberals, Greens, Leftists do NOT support this so-called "move" to ban Scientology."  quantessd   Dec-11-07 11:46 PM   #143 
     - by reading the damn papers  reorg   Dec-12-07 03:06 AM   #149 
        - So, to clarify, you are saying that German liberals are against this?  quantessd   Dec-12-07 03:21 AM   #150 
           - against the useless attempt to make them illegal, yes  reorg   Dec-12-07 04:36 AM   #152 
  - It's actually taking an entire NATION to rid itself of this cult --- !!! ????  defendandprotect   Dec-12-07 12:15 AM   #144 
  - Sure, but... Did Operating Thetons invade Iraq?  Voltaire99   Dec-13-07 12:03 AM   #155 
 

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