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Morereason Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 12:50 PM
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58. Something VERY FISHY. This smells like manipulation. There is more to this story we are not hearing
Edited on Sat Dec-01-07 12:51 PM by Morereason
Leadership in both of these States voted to censure. Who are the good guys here? Could it be that Michigan and Floriday are challenging a system designed to disinfranchise in favor of chosen candidates? I am not saying I know this to be true. But I am sure we are not getting the whole story here.

We should be digging up the truth here folks....

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  -Democrats Strip Michigan of Delegates (to 2008 Convention for Early Primary) Hissyspit  Dec-01-07 09:40 AM   #0 
  - Michigan and Florida will be nothing more than an opinion poll.  tekisui   Dec-01-07 09:47 AM   #1 
  - Dem Party leaders are out of control  mac2   Dec-01-07 10:04 AM   #6 
     - That's pretty much my thought, too  depakid   Dec-01-07 10:11 AM   #17 
     - Hey, we're Dems. The world would slip off its axis if we didn't find some way to shoot ourselves in  Hissyspit   Dec-01-07 10:59 AM   #39 
     - Yep. It keeps the DLC in control  Lorien   Dec-01-07 11:08 AM   #43 
     - Something VERY FISHY. This smells like manipulation. There is more to this story we are not hearing  Morereason   Dec-01-07 12:50 PM   #58 
        - Look at MadFloridian's Journal if you want the FULL STORY.  PassingFair   Dec-01-07 02:11 PM   #65 
     - More like Florida and Michigan are out of control.  Alexander   Dec-01-07 02:03 PM   #64 
     - I agree with you and I live in Michigan.  PassingFair   Dec-01-07 02:13 PM   #66 
     - Thank you--we rank and file Dems had nothing to do with this.  knitter4democracy   Dec-01-07 08:06 PM   #84 
     - More like the politicians are ALL out of control and the voters are paying the price again  magellan   Dec-01-07 06:37 PM   #79 
     - Michigan leaders are fed up.  cyclezealot   Dec-01-07 07:16 PM   #82 
  - This sucks... why do I have to live in a state that won't count, and unlike  glowing   Dec-01-07 09:54 AM   #2 
  - You Can Thank The Dingells and the Levins for That  Demeter   Dec-01-07 10:06 AM   #10 
     - Unfortunately-- I live in Flori-duh... and it was a DLC/ repug power  glowing   Dec-01-07 10:26 AM   #31 
        - Ron Paul  mac2   Dec-01-07 10:33 AM   #33 
           - The only yard signs I ever see down here are for Ron Paul...  glowing   Dec-01-07 01:07 PM   #61 
  - Two states stripped now. Hey, if they keep going, there will be an  EV_Ares   Dec-01-07 09:55 AM   #3 
  - How can they disenfranchise 25 million people? This is not the right solution.  faygokid   Dec-01-07 09:58 AM   #4 
  - So how's that going for Mark Brewer now, huh?  SharonRB   Dec-01-07 10:06 AM   #9 
  - Brewer must step down. He overplayed his hand. The Dems can't shoot straight.  faygokid   Dec-01-07 10:15 AM   #22 
  - I DID get testy in the meeting, did I not, Sharon?  PassingFair   Dec-01-07 02:28 PM   #68 
  - I can't stand Mark Brewer.  knitter4democracy   Dec-01-07 08:09 PM   #85 
  - Wow. Pissing off two states with a large amount of electoral  JeanGrey   Dec-01-07 10:07 AM   #11 
  - if the votes are cast "correctly" in those states, they will count  ohio2007   Dec-01-07 10:18 AM   #24 
  - What's Worse Is My Candidate Withdrew From the Ballot  Demeter   Dec-01-07 01:58 PM   #62 
  - Electoral votes  mac2   Dec-01-07 10:26 AM   #32 
  - Maybe an Independent will go down there. Could be the year for  EV_Ares   Dec-01-07 10:33 AM   #34 
  - Methinks the voters will not be happy come 2008 ...  BearSquirrel2   Dec-01-07 10:12 PM   #90 
  - Both states knew it would happen. They did it on purpose.  madfloridian   Dec-01-07 10:02 AM   #5 
  - On purpose?  mac2   Dec-01-07 10:06 AM   #8 
     - Most party members  SharonRB   Dec-01-07 10:08 AM   #12 
     - You're correct  cheryl27   Dec-01-07 05:57 PM   #74 
     - Ask the congressional leaders in the two states...ask Levin, ask Nelson.  madfloridian   Dec-01-07 10:10 AM   #15 
        - Dodd, Kuchinich, Gavel still on  cheryl27   Dec-01-07 06:01 PM   #75 
  - Vote in the Republican primary for Romney if you live in Michigan  bluestateguy   Dec-01-07 10:04 AM   #7 
  - No -- vote for uncommitted  SharonRB   Dec-01-07 10:09 AM   #13 
  - can registered dems vote for a repug in those states?  ohio2007   Dec-01-07 10:19 AM   #26 
  - Yes we have an open primary  cheryl27   Dec-01-07 06:02 PM   #76 
     - I had to talk my mom out of voting for him. He's gaining ground here.  knitter4democracy   Dec-01-07 08:12 PM   #86 
  - Nope - I see a silver lining in this  lwfern   Dec-01-07 12:27 PM   #53 
  - a stolen election in the making . btw, whats with the link ?  ohio2007   Dec-01-07 10:09 AM   #14 
  - impeach the Dem Leaders !  ohio2007   Dec-01-07 10:10 AM   #16 
  - Your Democratic governor signed the bill.  madfloridian   Dec-01-07 10:15 AM   #23 
     - have they been quoted in the media by this latest news story  ohio2007   Dec-01-07 10:21 AM   #27 
     - The Governor was totally in favor of this  MaineDem   Dec-02-07 08:51 AM   #99 
  - some Dems in Fl. can't be trusted & Mich has crashed  donsu   Dec-01-07 10:11 AM   #18 
  - NY Times article just posted: "Democrats Strip Michigan of Delegates"  faygokid   Dec-01-07 10:12 AM   #19 
  - Article....Hillary will restore Michigan's. She the only one on the ballot now.  madfloridian   Dec-01-07 10:14 AM   #20 
  - Updated with story and correct link. n/t  Hissyspit   Dec-01-07 10:15 AM   #21 
  - Democrat gov in MI signed it. All but one FL Dem Legislators voted yes.  madfloridian   Dec-01-07 10:18 AM   #25 
  - Jennifer Granholm Is a Member of the DLC  Demeter   Dec-01-07 02:02 PM   #63 
  - Amen to that.  knitter4democracy   Dec-01-07 08:13 PM   #87 
  - The legislature went with the Jan. primary  cyclezealot   Dec-01-07 07:25 PM   #83 
  - Can we please agree that the IOWA ALWAYS FIRST plan isn't fair  skipos   Dec-01-07 10:22 AM   #28 
  - This is not the way to do it. These two states may cost us the election.  madfloridian   Dec-01-07 10:23 AM   #29 
  - I never said this is the way to do it. What is the way to do it?  skipos   Dec-01-07 10:37 AM   #35 
  - Dean has often said rotating regional primaries are good.  madfloridian   Dec-01-07 10:49 AM   #38 
  - The DNC has absolutely nothing to do with it  bamalib   Dec-01-07 11:07 AM   #42 
     - What are you ranting about??  madfloridian   Dec-01-07 11:22 AM   #48 
     - You state in your post he wanted the DNC to work for it  bamalib   Dec-01-07 11:47 AM   #50 
     - DNC only assigns delegates....where did I say differently.  madfloridian   Dec-01-07 12:46 PM   #57 
     - ...and he's right.  troubleinwinter   Dec-01-07 12:37 PM   #54 
     - Just a minor correction  MaineDem   Dec-02-07 09:42 AM   #102 
  - How about this  riverdale   Dec-02-07 01:52 AM   #98 
  - I think a revolution of sorts is the only way to force change.  lwfern   Dec-01-07 12:38 PM   #55 
  - What is?  BearSquirrel2   Dec-01-07 10:29 PM   #91 
  - I agree, certainly. Isn't Iowa one of the only states where Bush still  Lorien   Dec-01-07 11:09 AM   #44 
  - No, it is not. Those two are Idaho and Utah.  Alexander   Dec-01-07 04:55 PM   #72 
  - They also grow potatoes in Iowa, don't they?  Hobarticus   Dec-03-07 10:26 AM   #112 
  - Uh, no. eom  Hobarticus   Dec-03-07 10:20 AM   #110 
  - They DID add two states.  PassingFair   Dec-01-07 02:19 PM   #67 
  - Fine. See if I donate to these assholes again.  D23MIURG23   Dec-01-07 10:24 AM   #30 
  - There's a lot of delegate votes between Michigan and Florida  Gman   Dec-01-07 10:40 AM   #36 
  - These mother fuckers can punish fellow Democrats,  ejbr   Dec-01-07 10:43 AM   #37 
  - civil liberties being taken little by little  ohio2007   Dec-01-07 10:59 AM   #40 
  - You have the Democratic leaders confused.  madfloridian   Dec-01-07 11:05 AM   #41 
     - You can't argue with one-dimensional thinking.  ClassWarrior   Dec-01-07 11:18 AM   #47 
        - People don't read, they don't examine the issues, they don't think.  madfloridian   Dec-01-07 11:23 AM   #49 
        - No what's scary is that people like you think you're always right  ejbr   Dec-03-07 10:15 AM   #108 
        - One dimensional thinking?  ejbr   Dec-03-07 10:11 AM   #107 
  - Wake up call to anyone who still thinks we live in a Democracy.  quantessd   Dec-01-07 11:11 AM   #45 
  - The party is officially FUBAR. nt  dbt   Dec-01-07 11:13 AM   #46 
  - Stupid  Stuckinthebush   Dec-01-07 11:49 AM   #51 
  - Dear MDP:  ih8thegop   Dec-01-07 12:18 PM   #52 
  - And so did many at  cheryl27   Dec-01-07 06:12 PM   #77 
  - Does anyone have a good idea what effect this will have  balantz   Dec-01-07 12:44 PM   #56 
  - a couple thoughts... if anyone wants to listen to my 2c.  woundedkarma   Dec-01-07 12:52 PM   #59 
  - I disagree on point three.  skipos   Dec-01-07 06:39 PM   #80 
  - So, the DLC is pissing off Florida, Michigan and how many other states now?  whistle   Dec-01-07 12:54 PM   #60 
  - Isn't the conflict with the DNC?  brentspeak   Dec-01-07 05:29 PM   #73 
     - Yes, you are correct, but I'm of the impression that the DLC has it's  whistle   Dec-01-07 08:51 PM   #89 
     - Those gnarled finger are around the congressional Democrats...  madfloridian   Dec-02-07 01:02 AM   #97 
     - Just two of them.  PassingFair   Dec-02-07 01:43 PM   #103 
  - They disenfranchised my state and me!!!!!!  vssmith   Dec-01-07 02:46 PM   #69 
  - I think the should be disenfranchised  whatdoyouthink   Dec-01-07 04:03 PM   #70 
  - if you mean your state's democratic party did it- you'd be correct.  QuestionAll   Dec-02-07 09:26 AM   #101 
     - I am 65 and I have voted for Democrats since LBJ  vssmith   Dec-02-07 08:39 PM   #105 
  - McAuliffe threatened Michigan's delegates in 04...nobody got mad at him?  madfloridian   Dec-01-07 04:48 PM   #71 
  - I'm not mad at Dr. Dean as much as I'm furious with Brewer.  knitter4democracy   Dec-01-07 08:17 PM   #88 
  - I think the entire primary election process should be overhauled ASAP after this election.  PFunk   Dec-01-07 06:28 PM   #78 
  - Yes, scrap it. But we should rotate the 1st states. nt  skipos   Dec-01-07 06:40 PM   #81 
  - Primary process after election?  mac2   Dec-01-07 11:51 PM   #95 
  - Crapping on Michigan and Florida because of that shitty little state of Iowa  IndianaGreen   Dec-01-07 10:46 PM   #92 
  - You got that right  mac2   Dec-01-07 11:49 PM   #94 
  - Fuck that.  PassingFair   Dec-02-07 01:50 PM   #104 
  - The state that thinks it most privileged  cyclezealot   Dec-03-07 01:57 AM   #106 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-07 10:18 AM   #109 
  - Someone from Indiana, calling Iowa shitty? That's rich...  Hobarticus   Dec-03-07 10:23 AM   #111 
  - credentials fight at the convention?  razzleberry   Dec-01-07 11:22 PM   #93 
  - They should all be fired, from Dean down to Donna Brazile  IndianaGreen   Dec-02-07 12:23 AM   #96 
  - "Uncommitted" is an option  MaineDem   Dec-02-07 08:54 AM   #100 
 

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