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Fri Nov-23-07 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #58 |
| 62. There's a difference between being 'Anti-Chavez' and being critical of some of the stuff he does. |
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Unless you subscribe to the 'with him or against him' sort of logic that is so popular among some.
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| -Chavez calls 'no' voters 'traitors'... |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-07 05:52 PM |
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hmm...that strategy sounds familiar |
Teaser |
Nov-23-07 05:54 PM |
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Guess he's trying to counterbalance the million$ Repub Miami Cubans, Venezuelans & the CIA spend |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-23-07 06:49 PM |
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So do you agree that anyone who disagrees with Chavez is a traitor? |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-07 08:23 PM |
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Not necessarily but Bush considers you and me traitors for many things.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-23-07 08:33 PM |
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There is no difference. That's the freakin' point. |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-07 09:32 PM |
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We can handle criticism, but we can't handle the attempts at a coup. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-23-07 10:00 PM |
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There is a difference |
AlphaCentauri |
Nov-23-07 11:54 PM |
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Okay so they have a Bush in Venezuela..... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-24-07 08:59 AM |
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the difference |
reggie the dog |
Nov-24-07 03:27 AM |
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Chavez did NOT say that "anyone who disagrees with Chavez is a traitor." |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-24-07 11:32 AM |
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and that makes it right. |
Teaser |
Nov-23-07 08:53 PM |
#46 |
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Let really look at this article. |
Sufficient Voice |
Nov-23-07 09:04 PM |
#49 |
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Agree |
AlphaCentauri |
Nov-23-07 11:58 PM |
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I generally don't care too much for that kind of rhetoric. |
Selatius |
Nov-23-07 05:58 PM |
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so if Bush started confiscating private property |
LibertarianAtheist |
Nov-23-07 06:04 PM |
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That depends on what kind of property and the reasons for the seizure. |
Selatius |
Nov-23-07 06:07 PM |
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i'm pretty absolute in that private property shouldn't ever be taken by the government |
LibertarianAtheist |
Nov-23-07 06:18 PM |
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One thing I share with individualist anarchists is the belief in private property, but... |
Selatius |
Nov-23-07 06:25 PM |
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i believe in individual rights over societal rights every time |
LibertarianAtheist |
Nov-23-07 06:48 PM |
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I generally don't see it your way. It's a philosophical chasm that has never been bridged. |
Selatius |
Nov-23-07 07:53 PM |
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please return my crack house ... |
zbdent |
Nov-23-07 06:33 PM |
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i couldn't care less if people are cooking meth in their house |
LibertarianAtheist |
Nov-23-07 06:42 PM |
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Eminent domain |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-23-07 06:46 PM |
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in terms of whether the government has any right to take what i own legitimately |
LibertarianAtheist |
Nov-23-07 06:52 PM |
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There shouldn't be any private property. It's that simple. |
SyntaxError |
Nov-23-07 08:12 PM |
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You must not own any. n/t |
cigsandcoffee |
Nov-23-07 10:10 PM |
#60 |
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Let me use that toothbrush, comrade |
slackmaster |
Nov-24-07 11:03 AM |
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"my land"? |
WakingLife |
Nov-24-07 07:45 AM |
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In some cases, it certainly is the concern of the state for what you are using your |
MJDuncan1982 |
Nov-24-07 11:27 AM |
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Ah the cluelessness here... |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-23-07 06:42 PM |
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and in addition your use of the term "nationalization" is inaccurate |
LibertarianAtheist |
Nov-23-07 06:57 PM |
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No actually that would be part of the compensation. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-23-07 07:51 PM |
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Spot on |
Lasher |
Nov-24-07 02:35 AM |
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yes |
reggie the dog |
Nov-24-07 03:50 AM |
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I'm getting more than a little tired of Chavez's grandstanding statements after supporting him. |
faygokid |
Nov-23-07 05:59 PM |
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Who is actually surprised by his rhetoric? |
LibertarianAtheist |
Nov-23-07 06:01 PM |
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You're either wit 'im or agin 'im. Sounds familiar! nt |
MookieWilson |
Nov-23-07 06:01 PM |
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He's more like BabyBushCo than we appreciate |
bluestateguy |
Nov-23-07 06:02 PM |
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Actually, no. Chavez could never perfect the corruption and lies the Bushes have managed here. nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-23-07 06:52 PM |
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Bwahahahahahaa!!!! But, but, but....it's a DEMOCRACY there!! Que viva CHAVEZUELA!! |
MADem |
Nov-23-07 06:13 PM |
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There isn't an antichavista Left. Voting against him means putting the Right and the rich |
Ken Burch |
Nov-23-07 10:09 PM |
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Voting against him means there's another election in 2012, and he doesn't |
MADem |
Nov-24-07 12:56 AM |
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No surprise in your response. You always end up taking the side of the rich. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-24-07 01:33 AM |
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And you divine that, how? With the same halfassed logic that you used to |
MADem |
Nov-24-07 01:49 AM |
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Let's see now. According to you, |
ronnie624 |
Nov-24-07 09:37 AM |
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He did bring up an important point |
nick303 |
Nov-24-07 01:51 AM |
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How independent is the Federal Reserve? n/t |
kgfnally |
Nov-24-07 03:12 AM |
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As long as he gets elected it will be a democracy n/t |
AlphaCentauri |
Nov-24-07 12:02 AM |
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If this referendum passes, the idiots voting it in are voting FOR dictatorship. |
MADem |
Nov-24-07 12:59 AM |
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How com? |
AlphaCentauri |
Nov-24-07 01:09 AM |
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Read the sixty nine points--he can suspend the constitution and |
MADem |
Nov-24-07 01:17 AM |
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did you read the article???? |
reggie the dog |
Nov-24-07 03:55 AM |
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Yea, I read it. "You're either wit' me, or yer wit' da terrists!" |
MADem |
Nov-24-07 06:05 AM |
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We need an American Chavez. |
lvx35 |
Nov-23-07 06:13 PM |
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I agree. We're at desperation's door. I'd vote in a Chavez. |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-23-07 06:51 PM |
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So you believe that political dissenters are traitors? nt |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-07 09:36 PM |
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if their money comes from another country they are...... n/t |
AlphaCentauri |
Nov-24-07 12:06 AM |
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I agree completely |
Progressive Friend |
Nov-23-07 11:06 PM |
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I feel vindicated. |
JDPriestly |
Nov-23-07 06:19 PM |
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That might be and I might agree with you, but as I see it he certainly is ... |
LakeSamish706 |
Nov-23-07 06:27 PM |
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Good for now |
balantz |
Nov-23-07 06:52 PM |
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where is he attempting against democracy? |
AlphaCentauri |
Nov-24-07 12:12 AM |
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Sounds like a genuine threat, whether he means it that way or not n/t |
slowry |
Nov-23-07 06:22 PM |
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My understanding is that Chavez is trying to get |
brazos121200 |
Nov-23-07 06:31 PM |
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In my opinion you missed a magic phrase in your post; .... |
LakeSamish706 |
Nov-23-07 06:36 PM |
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Unless the future elections aren't monitored by the UN and OAS, I see no reason here. |
Selatius |
Nov-23-07 06:40 PM |
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With grand pronoucements such as that, does the average citizen |
tritsofme |
Nov-23-07 09:31 PM |
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Do you think thats the reason why the low turn outs in US elections? |
AlphaCentauri |
Nov-24-07 12:16 AM |
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What did he say, sans AP translation? |
kgfnally |
Nov-24-07 03:15 AM |
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Exactly. |
WakingLife |
Nov-24-07 08:02 AM |
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I don't see why not. They risked life and limb reversing a violent military coup in 2002. |
Selatius |
Nov-24-07 06:38 AM |
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Venezuela has internationally monitored fair elections - |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-23-07 06:48 PM |
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Yes it does. |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Nov-23-07 06:50 PM |
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More Rhetoric |
NeedleCast |
Nov-23-07 06:34 PM |
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bullshit, he didn't say that. |
SyntaxError |
Nov-23-07 07:41 PM |
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I don't think he did. |
igil |
Nov-23-07 08:26 PM |
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Your source? |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-07 09:37 PM |
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Source |
AlphaCentauri |
Nov-24-07 12:24 AM |
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Your source lists Free Republic, Lucianne, & Powerline as forums. |
SecularMotion |
Nov-23-07 07:48 PM |
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Don't bother. The anti-chavez people always buy into the propaganda.... |
SyntaxError |
Nov-23-07 08:00 PM |
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What propaganda? I believe the source is the AP Unless they |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-07 08:21 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-23-07 08:34 PM |
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Fix your post |
nick303 |
Nov-24-07 01:06 AM |
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Fucking transparent, aren't they? n/t |
kgfnally |
Nov-24-07 03:17 AM |
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The AP frame is |
PATRICK |
Nov-23-07 08:16 PM |
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As often as words are distorted in the press I need to see transcripts |
Morereason |
Nov-23-07 08:21 PM |
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You're wasting your time... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-23-07 09:02 PM |
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I bet he could get away with a live baby |
NeedleCast |
Nov-23-07 09:24 PM |
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You got that right, my friend. The man is a God to some people. |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-07 09:30 PM |
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Horse shit....cough, cough. n/t |
ronnie624 |
Nov-24-07 01:21 AM |
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Aptly named - Flatulo. |
bitchkitty |
Nov-24-07 12:36 PM |
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Were those kittens albino? |
HypnoToad |
Nov-23-07 09:44 PM |
#56 |
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Being anti-Chavez means wanting the Right to takeover Venezuela |
Ken Burch |
Nov-23-07 10:04 PM |
#58 |
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There's a difference between being 'Anti-Chavez' and being critical of some of the stuff he does. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-23-07 10:33 PM |
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So why do people critical of 'some of' Chavez's statements and legislation |
kgfnally |
Nov-24-07 03:20 AM |
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Oh, I never said that you weren't right about THAT. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-24-07 08:41 AM |
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Being anti-Chavez means they're gonna have to pony up a new progressive in five years. NT |
MADem |
Nov-24-07 01:10 AM |
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They'd come up with a new one in a few years anyway. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-24-07 01:34 AM |
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Don't be absurd. Bush is GONE. He's a hamstrung lame duck. |
MADem |
Nov-24-07 01:44 AM |
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That is a Straw Man |
slackmaster |
Nov-24-07 11:05 AM |
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Absolute power corrupts absolutely |
Solar_Power |
Nov-23-07 09:04 PM |
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If Bush said that sort of thing, I could imagine the reaction. |
Bleachers7 |
Nov-23-07 10:30 PM |
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you know something...THIS is not cool |
boricua79 |
Nov-23-07 10:46 PM |
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Linden Forbes Sampson Burnham was also President for Life aka Dictator in Guyana |
sistagoldilocks42 |
Nov-23-07 11:11 PM |
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Here's more on that invasion you mentioned: |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-23-07 11:27 PM |
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Fascinating post. |
Le Taz Hot |
Nov-24-07 09:25 AM |
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He wasn't talking to regular citizens |
AlphaCentauri |
Nov-24-07 12:32 AM |
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yeah... |
boricua79 |
Nov-24-07 06:40 AM |
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And yet, many on DU still love them some Chavez.... |
ALiberalSailor |
Nov-23-07 10:50 PM |
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One of the Continent's Richest Countries |
sistagoldilocks42 |
Nov-24-07 12:00 AM |
#70 |
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Go ahead and post your information on Venezuela's bombing, and claiming territory. |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-24-07 12:23 AM |
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Face it, Chavez is a fucking despot |
kurth |
Nov-24-07 12:05 AM |
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It would be educational if you explained to DU'ers the ways in which Hugo Chavez |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-24-07 12:26 AM |
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That would be Number Two. |
MADem |
Nov-24-07 01:27 AM |
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I see the Chavez-lovers are sqirming trying to defend their beloved tyrant. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-24-07 12:32 AM |
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They don't squirm. They hector self-righteously and perpetuate falsehoods. |
MADem |
Nov-24-07 01:25 AM |
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There is a difference. Chavez is on the side of the poor and the workers |
Ken Burch |
Nov-24-07 05:57 AM |
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Chavez is on the side of Chavez. He uses the poor as a prop on his path to power. |
MADem |
Nov-24-07 06:02 AM |
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Chávez: Los traidores que hay aquí que se vayan para el enemigo de una vez |
AlphaCentauri |
Nov-24-07 12:44 AM |
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It's a mistranslation by the evil "M$M" |
nick303 |
Nov-24-07 12:52 AM |
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hahahaha, good one. |
Endangered Specie |
Nov-24-07 01:46 AM |
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so you see no difference |
reggie the dog |
Nov-24-07 04:07 AM |
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Considering Ralph Nader was always considered a traitor |
Flanker |
Nov-24-07 06:07 AM |
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Do they shoot traitors down there ? |
ohio2007 |
Nov-24-07 08:32 AM |
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Except when GWB says it...? |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-07 08:41 AM |
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Unlike Bush, at least he doesn't question his opponent's patriotism |
AngryAmish |
Nov-24-07 08:34 AM |
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Who's running against him |
ohio2007 |
Nov-24-07 08:38 AM |
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Chavez and Chimpy... |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-24-07 08:48 AM |
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It astounds me that there are still people here on DU willing to defend him. |
distantearlywarning |
Nov-24-07 09:39 AM |
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I know |
HannibalBarca |
Nov-24-07 10:40 AM |
#125 |
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The knee-jerk far left is as blind as the knee-jerk far right |
slackmaster |
Nov-24-07 10:47 AM |
#128 |
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"He uses the poor to make himself look better" |
AlphaCentauri |
Nov-24-07 12:34 PM |
#136 |
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It's your civic duty to vote, as long as you vote for Giant Douche |
slackmaster |
Nov-24-07 10:45 AM |
#126 |
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. |
Bonobo |
Nov-24-07 10:46 AM |
#127 |
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Don't imitate the rePIGs, Chavez. Its tyranical. |
Acadia Blue |
Nov-24-07 11:04 AM |
#130 |
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Pres. Chavez you have our support |
ChazII |
Nov-24-07 11:21 AM |
#132 |
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To be fair, he didn't call anyone who votes "NO" a traitor, only those |
MJDuncan1982 |
Nov-24-07 11:23 AM |
#133 |
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We are locking this thread |
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Nov-24-07 12:38 PM |
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