Hayduke Lives
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Mon Nov-19-07 07:50 PM
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You sure fell for the whole Government-sponsored "Green Scare" program, didn't you?
Tree Spiking? How many people have ever been harmed by tree spiking? (Answer: 1 back in the mid '80s which courts showed was placed there by an angry Republican land owner in Nor Cal.
Burning down labs: No on injured. Ever.
Shooting animal researchers!? Where did you get that from? I could offer my own witty rhetorical answer but that would be self-indulgent.
It was Attorney General Ashcroft that said "eco extremists" represent the greatest domestic terrorist threat facing this country - just before the feds added terrorism enhancements to the sentences of a dozen non-violent, yet slightly misguided environmentalists. The term "eco-terrorist" was coined in the 1980s by an Ron Arnold and the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise. They've been working like dogs ever since to get that language woven into our common parlance.
If you've bought into its use, and you fear who the government tells you to fear, and you repeat their propaganda, and you lash out against Paul Watson (who, granted has some rather interesting personality traits), and you post your fears up on DU...then what else are you buying?
Unless your Japanese grandpa is manning the harpoon on one of those ships or you've got a hankering for whale burgers, I don't understand the objection to the SSCS. I would wager that what really bothers most armchair environmentalists (like me) is that these people are take action in the 3-D world, whilst we type away on our computers. I've seen this for decades now. It's easy to critique someone else's tactics (or personality) but it's harder to take real action.
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| -Environmentalists vow to ram whaling vessels |
Barrett808 |
Nov-19-07 06:09 PM |
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Okay, I'll have sex for the cause of virginity. |
HypnoToad |
Nov-19-07 06:11 PM |
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No, actually |
Hayduke Lives |
Nov-19-07 07:16 PM |
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Let's hope Captain Watson remembers: |
Turbineguy |
Nov-19-07 09:31 PM |
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Better to risk the lives of sailors, than allow a whale to be harmed |
Thothmes |
Nov-20-07 06:49 AM |
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No, it is actually the whalers who are risking their lives by violating international law. |
The Stranger |
Nov-20-07 12:47 PM |
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You would prefer dead sailors to dead whales. Whose at fault |
Thothmes |
Nov-22-07 10:22 AM |
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I would prefer dead whalers to dead whales. No question. |
Nihil |
Nov-22-07 10:48 AM |
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Nobody is sinking ships, nobody is murdering sailors. stafoo pls. n/t |
slowry |
Nov-22-07 10:49 AM |
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you've gotta be joking |
Duppers |
Nov-20-07 06:08 AM |
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I do, but it's hardly a win-win situation. |
HypnoToad |
Nov-20-07 04:36 PM |
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I didn't know anyone enforced treaties within international waters |
minnesota_liberal |
Nov-20-07 10:48 PM |
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okay, take back what i said in my last repsonse to you |
lakeguy |
Nov-21-07 12:04 AM |
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Actually, I thought sea life love sunken ships like that... |
SyntaxError |
Nov-20-07 09:30 AM |
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whats your solution there smart guy? |
lakeguy |
Nov-20-07 11:56 PM |
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Joe Horn? Is that you? n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-21-07 01:26 PM |
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Fortunately, we have a secret weapon... |
IanDB1 |
Nov-19-07 06:13 PM |
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I would love to be with those guys. |
TomInTib |
Nov-19-07 06:14 PM |
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agreed |
Red Zelda |
Nov-19-07 06:31 PM |
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Give to Sea Shepherd. That is one way to support them. |
The Stranger |
Nov-20-07 12:53 PM |
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Those are not "environmentalists". The media is slandering real environmentalists with that label. |
Harper_is_Bush |
Nov-19-07 06:31 PM |
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why because they actively doing something? |
ORDagnabbit |
Nov-19-07 06:54 PM |
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Yeah, because they're actively doing something. |
Harper_is_Bush |
Nov-19-07 07:05 PM |
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Oh, I wonder would you say the same if |
cstanleytech |
Nov-20-07 12:08 PM |
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I AGREE, THERE PRO ACTIVE..PIRATE ON! |
Bo |
Nov-20-07 01:54 PM |
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You're right. |
slowry |
Nov-19-07 06:56 PM |
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Yeah, using up tonnes of fuel to go out and cause a fuel spill is "results". |
Harper_is_Bush |
Nov-19-07 07:04 PM |
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Yeah, you can tell I'm "blinded" by the 9-word post I just wasted on you. |
slowry |
Nov-19-07 07:13 PM |
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I've researched them. The "Captain" is a habitual liar, and the organization makes millions off of |
Harper_is_Bush |
Nov-19-07 07:18 PM |
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Done responding to you, but I again encourage anyone to ignore us, and do their own research n/t |
slowry |
Nov-19-07 07:31 PM |
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Yeah, ignore us. |
Harper_is_Bush |
Nov-19-07 07:49 PM |
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... |
kineta |
Nov-21-07 12:21 AM |
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Hey, if he said he researched, that's good enough for me! Well, maybe not! |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-19-07 11:08 PM |
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criminal activity? |
northzax |
Nov-20-07 09:39 AM |
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The hunt itself is not illegal, per se. |
Heywoodj |
Nov-20-07 09:15 PM |
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If that is the purpose for the killing, then it is illegal per se. |
The Stranger |
Nov-21-07 08:26 AM |
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Got any proof that Watson is a "habitual liar"? |
Canuckistanian |
Nov-19-07 09:04 PM |
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Yes, that's one lie. He claimed his actions caused the resignation of an MP. |
Harper_is_Bush |
Nov-19-07 09:14 PM |
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Who are his enemies? |
Canuckistanian |
Nov-19-07 09:51 PM |
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He lied about the reasons for a Canadian MP leaving office. |
Harper_is_Bush |
Nov-19-07 11:07 PM |
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I made an honest, educated effort to find anything like what you describe and... |
slowry |
Nov-20-07 11:58 AM |
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I searched Google using his exact phrase |
kgfnally |
Nov-20-07 12:34 PM |
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uh- problem with that Google term |
kgfnally |
Nov-20-07 12:32 PM |
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Nov-19-07 11:10 PM |
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Sure in having "done your research"......Please share it with us n/t |
Mind_your_head |
Nov-19-07 11:44 PM |
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Isn't the watertight integrity of most fishing/whaling vessels... |
LanternWaste |
Nov-20-07 10:39 AM |
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Is that so? |
flvegan |
Nov-19-07 10:59 PM |
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? Oh, just like GREENPEACE? |
Duppers |
Nov-20-07 06:10 AM |
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Hey, how about those sHarp seals? |
LostinVA |
Nov-20-07 11:16 AM |
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as it should be. nt |
xchrom |
Nov-19-07 07:03 PM |
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Did they finish spiking all the trees? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Nov-19-07 07:05 PM |
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Name one person they've injured, in over 30 years of action, please. n/t |
slowry |
Nov-19-07 07:08 PM |
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Sea Shepard? I don't know of any. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Nov-19-07 07:09 PM |
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They're threatening to give criminals a bit of a run for their money. |
slowry |
Nov-19-07 07:16 PM |
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They are criminals. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Nov-19-07 07:17 PM |
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They're acting in accordance with international law; something both the Japanese government |
slowry |
Nov-19-07 07:18 PM |
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They're also threatening violence. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Nov-19-07 07:20 PM |
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Ramming into the whaler's ships, to delay/annoy/discourage them from illegally |
slowry |
Nov-19-07 07:30 PM |
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It's a high seas PIT move. |
flvegan |
Nov-19-07 11:24 PM |
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international law? |
northzax |
Nov-20-07 09:42 AM |
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The IWC voted 40-2 (27 non-votes) to PASS a resolution calling on Japan to discontinue its killing |
slowry |
Nov-20-07 12:27 PM |
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Good Lord! |
Hayduke Lives |
Nov-19-07 07:50 PM |
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Thanks for clearing that up. I was astounded, slightly, hearing such wild ones flung out here. |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-19-07 11:15 PM |
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word-up Hayduke. eom |
app_farmer_rb |
Nov-20-07 10:25 AM |
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I guess I will here no crying when the whalers fire upon them. He has stated his intent. |
seriousstan |
Nov-19-07 07:08 PM |
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The whalers should defend themselves by any means necessary, imo. n/t |
Harper_is_Bush |
Nov-19-07 07:13 PM |
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so how do the whales defend themselves from the whalers? |
ORDagnabbit |
Nov-19-07 07:16 PM |
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Exactly the question, but not many on DU dare ask it... |
villager |
Nov-19-07 10:13 PM |
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why? |
Duppers |
Nov-20-07 06:27 AM |
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Well, I was thinking that many DUers are still a pretty anthropocentric bunch... |
villager |
Nov-20-07 02:08 PM |
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What a sick way to look at "life," thinking anything which can't kill back is going down, |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-19-07 11:19 PM |
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by evolving into a gun platform? |
SyntaxError |
Nov-20-07 09:34 AM |
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Exactly the question, Thank you. n/t |
chatnoir |
Nov-20-07 10:07 AM |
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They swim |
JVS |
Nov-20-07 11:15 PM |
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Seems to me the Australian or New Zealand navies should board and/or scuttle them |
depakid |
Nov-19-07 07:36 PM |
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Nov-19-07 08:40 PM |
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What a sick statement. |
girl gone mad |
Nov-19-07 09:53 PM |
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regardless of their tactics? |
Harper_is_Bush |
Nov-19-07 10:02 PM |
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Regardless of their tactics. |
girl gone mad |
Nov-20-07 02:33 AM |
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actually, whale meat is not rich man's food in Asia |
northzax |
Nov-20-07 09:43 AM |
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Nov-19-07 11:01 PM |
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The whalers are fucking criminals and should be stopped by any means necessary. |
The Stranger |
Nov-20-07 12:48 PM |
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Maritime law allows it. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-21-07 02:54 PM |
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I love the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society |
Patchuli |
Nov-19-07 08:55 PM |
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Thank you, Sea Shepherd for at least trying to save these innocent creatures from |
MasonJar |
Nov-19-07 08:58 PM |
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I predict since he stated his intent, someone's navy will sink the Sea Shepherd. n/t |
CK_John |
Nov-19-07 09:43 PM |
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Watson is half direct-action, half publicity monger |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-19-07 10:10 PM |
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Well if he gets within sonar range of any of these ships on the high seas, his ass is grass. n/t |
CK_John |
Nov-19-07 11:29 PM |
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Nah. He's tagged a few of them real good before, and sank others elsewhere. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-20-07 01:01 AM |
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Funny, I remember exchanging posts with you where you denied they rammed. |
Bonobo |
Nov-22-07 10:28 AM |
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Really? Whose? |
Nihil |
Nov-20-07 05:27 AM |
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I guess you missed the story about North Korea thanking the American Navy |
RantinRavin |
Nov-20-07 09:35 AM |
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Sea Shepard.. |
girl gone mad |
Nov-20-07 01:51 PM |
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Duh...really |
RantinRavin |
Nov-20-07 02:17 PM |
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yeah, like the French and Greenpeace's Rainbow Warrior |
Duppers |
Nov-20-07 06:32 AM |
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I know all about that |
Neo |
Nov-20-07 04:24 PM |
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Wow! You're a HERO in my book! |
Duppers |
Nov-20-07 07:17 PM |
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Thank you, Neo! |
Kajsa |
Nov-22-07 10:17 AM |
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What's "radical" is the Japanese plan for plundering the oceans |
villager |
Nov-19-07 10:12 PM |
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a whale's life is sacred and worthy of this action |
Neo |
Nov-19-07 10:34 PM |
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what about the earth itself, and it's ability to support the whales? |
Harper_is_Bush |
Nov-19-07 11:11 PM |
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You actually believe you are making sense? |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-19-07 11:23 PM |
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global warming |
Harper_is_Bush |
Nov-19-07 11:27 PM |
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And you imagine you're making some kind of sense. n/t |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-19-07 11:29 PM |
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yes, I've made perfect sense. |
Harper_is_Bush |
Nov-19-07 11:37 PM |
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What on earth would this have to do with slaughtering whales? |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-19-07 11:42 PM |
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No. I'm saying if the "Captain" really cared about whales he would make global warming one of his |
Harper_is_Bush |
Nov-19-07 11:47 PM |
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So it's o.k. to slaughter the whales who are here right now, reducing the number of any possible |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-19-07 11:54 PM |
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actually, yes |
northzax |
Nov-20-07 10:27 AM |
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They aren't hunting Minke whales this time. Now they are after endangered Humpbacks |
Beaverhausen |
Nov-20-07 07:39 PM |
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Google: site:seashepherd.org "global warming" -- 85 results -- happy reading, friend |
slowry |
Nov-20-07 12:02 AM |
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Sorry, I confused you with uh, one of the pro-whaling individuals. Yikes! |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-20-07 12:17 AM |
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edit: (borat voice): high five n/t |
slowry |
Nov-20-07 12:25 AM |
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you're using an either / or argument |
Duppers |
Nov-20-07 06:42 AM |
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Just out of curiosity |
plasticsundance |
Nov-20-07 02:04 PM |
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The threat to these whales' lives.. |
girl gone mad |
Nov-20-07 02:43 AM |
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It appears you're implying... |
LanternWaste |
Nov-20-07 10:48 AM |
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Nov-19-07 11:21 PM |
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umm...raming ships is not "non-violent", buddy |
boricua79 |
Nov-20-07 06:50 AM |
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Educate yourself on the tactics of the SSCS first |
Hayduke Lives |
Nov-20-07 09:10 AM |
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hey, |
boricua79 |
Nov-20-07 10:01 AM |
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There's a size disparity. The whaling ships are MUCH larger. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-20-07 10:07 AM |
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so again, |
boricua79 |
Nov-20-07 10:14 AM |
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"Economic damage is violence" my ass. Picketing Walmart is not the same thing as beating up a Walton |
LeftyMom |
Nov-20-07 10:19 AM |
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Picketing Walmart is not ramming ships |
boricua79 |
Nov-20-07 10:32 AM |
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this is equivalent |
darboy |
Nov-21-07 12:02 AM |
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It is EXACTLY like that |
slowry |
Nov-21-07 10:38 AM |
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*snort* |
Ignis |
Nov-21-07 01:13 PM |
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I find it amusing that someone with... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Nov-20-07 10:26 AM |
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I agree. Funny how when you make it real and present day, suddenly the taboo against violence of |
The Stranger |
Nov-20-07 12:51 PM |
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No, don't get me wrong |
boricua79 |
Nov-20-07 01:11 PM |
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Take Malcolm X's philosophy... |
Hayduke Lives |
Nov-20-07 01:46 PM |
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I can see where you are coming from |
boricua79 |
Nov-20-07 02:00 PM |
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Whaling Isn't Non-Violent Either |
fascisthunter |
Nov-20-07 10:01 PM |
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Sea Shepherd: The Whale Killers Are On the Way |
Barrett808 |
Nov-20-07 11:03 AM |
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The Independent: The saviours of the whale |
Barrett808 |
Nov-20-07 11:08 AM |
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FIGHT ON, SEA SHEPHERD! |
The Stranger |
Nov-20-07 12:49 PM |
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It's better than that! They fly the Five Nations flag. |
GliderGuider |
Nov-20-07 03:02 PM |
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OK, here it is.... |
Turbineguy |
Nov-20-07 04:20 PM |
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GO SHEPHERD GO!!!!! nt |
and-justice-for-all |
Nov-20-07 01:38 PM |
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Rock On Sea Shepherd! |
ellie |
Nov-20-07 07:35 PM |
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property destruction is not "economic destruction" |
darboy |
Nov-20-07 11:50 PM |
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Got a better idea? 'Cause 50 humpbacks and 900 or so other whales could use one real soon. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-20-07 11:55 PM |
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yes |
darboy |
Nov-21-07 12:04 AM |
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Don't you think somebody's tried that? |
LeftyMom |
Nov-21-07 12:08 AM |
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then pass laws to stop it, |
darboy |
Nov-21-07 12:10 AM |
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It's already illegal and you're 110% wrong. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-21-07 12:27 AM |
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ha |
darboy |
Nov-21-07 07:45 AM |
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We let Rush Limbaugh dictate our actions now? |
LeftyMom |
Nov-21-07 10:13 AM |
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Nov-21-07 09:18 AM |
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Oh, if I could nominate a single post. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-21-07 10:14 AM |
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Kick and great applause! |
Nihil |
Nov-21-07 11:39 AM |
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nice ad hominems |
darboy |
Nov-21-07 06:20 PM |
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Fortunately, you appear to have "divine" protection ... |
Nihil |
Nov-22-07 06:20 AM |
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sorry |
darboy |
Nov-22-07 09:53 AM |
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You seem to manage ... |
Nihil |
Nov-22-07 10:17 AM |
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except that's wrong |
darboy |
Nov-22-07 12:45 PM |
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Hardly ... |
Nihil |
Nov-23-07 03:12 AM |
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" You also need to educate yourself on the SSCS's tactics. " |
darboy |
Nov-21-07 06:41 PM |
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the "bottles of chemicals" were essentially stink bombs- harmless but smelly. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-22-07 09:57 AM |
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So is Greenpeace "neutered" |
darboy |
Nov-22-07 10:04 AM |
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Arrest the whalers? The Japanese government OWNS THE FLEET. They sign their checks! |
LeftyMom |
Nov-22-07 10:59 AM |
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even easier then |
darboy |
Nov-22-07 12:38 PM |
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Fucking A, don't you think that's been done? |
LeftyMom |
Nov-22-07 01:03 PM |
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Have a happy thanksgiving then |
darboy |
Nov-22-07 01:47 PM |
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Good for them! |
KC2 |
Nov-21-07 10:43 AM |
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Go with grace Sea Shepard! |
MadHound |
Nov-21-07 02:25 PM |
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As a whale eating half norwegian |
Niccolo_Macchiavelli |
Nov-21-07 02:54 PM |
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Good for you, Sea Shepherd! |
Kajsa |
Nov-22-07 10:38 AM |
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What Sea Shepard really needs is one of these: |
Endangered Specie |
Nov-24-07 01:57 AM |
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Go, Sea Shepherds! n/t |
codjh9 |
Nov-24-07 04:00 PM |
#170 |
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