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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 05:41 AM
Response to Reply #67
82. Before we go any further
My personal opinion - we don't belong there. This is none of our business.

I just hate to hear that SS hauptmann Shekevich (spelling ?) who ran firing squadrons is now officially proclaimed a hero of Ukraine. I mean how twisted can you get?

Maybe you should check the background of Uschenko's wife to find out that US is conducting a very dangerous game there with no known positive outcome, which further infuriates half of ukrainians and a quite a lot of russians.
Is it the intended result, I may ask?
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  -Ukraine to Israel: Recognize 1930s famine as genocide Scurrilous  Oct-28-07 06:53 PM   #0 
  - BULLSHIT!  JVS   Oct-28-07 06:54 PM   #1 
  - I don't understand. Bullshit to which part? Or all of it? n/t  amandabeech   Oct-28-07 07:03 PM   #2 
  - Amanda, JVS sounds like the BS! Poor guy can't seem to get his point across.  dickbearton   Oct-28-07 07:33 PM   #3 
     - It's his MO  wicket   Oct-30-07 05:20 PM   #77 
  - There was no famine! That is evil Western Bourgeois lies!!!11!1!!  Odin2005   Oct-28-07 07:55 PM   #4 
  - Wasn't the Ukraine Hitlers "breadbasket" in the early 1940's ? nt  ohio2007   Oct-28-07 08:10 PM   #5 
  - Yes. The Kuban' is sort of like the US Midwest for grain.  igil   Oct-28-07 08:47 PM   #6 
     - A nicely written explanation :-) n/t  papau   Oct-28-07 08:57 PM   #7 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-28-07 09:18 PM   #9 
     - Thanks for the excellent summary.  amandabeech   Oct-28-07 10:07 PM   #10 
     - The Kuban isn't in Ukraine...  Fierce   Oct-28-07 10:25 PM   #13 
     - By your definition, the Irish Famine of 1848 wasn't a genocide either.  hedgehog   Oct-29-07 11:03 AM   #21 
  - Real victims don't burn the grain themselves.  JVS   Oct-28-07 09:16 PM   #8 
     - I'm curious...  FuJun   Oct-31-07 07:37 AM   #85 
  - Duh!!  0007   Oct-29-07 11:46 AM   #23 
  - it wasn't a genocide  provis99   Oct-28-07 10:11 PM   #11 
  - Exactly, and it was Hitlerite Germany that called it "genocide" in their propaganda  Progressive Friend   Oct-28-07 11:15 PM   #14 
  - There is nothing in the definition of genocide which requires  PaulaFarrell   Oct-29-07 03:33 AM   #16 
  - Kulaks?  FuJun   Oct-29-07 07:24 AM   #19 
  - What dictionary ya reading from friend?  0007   Oct-29-07 11:51 AM   #25 
  - This is a little baffling  TheFarseer   Oct-28-07 10:20 PM   #12 
  - How to make the word "genocide" meaningless:  western mass   Oct-29-07 03:14 AM   #15 
  - I agree, to warrant the use of the word genocide, than actual genocide had to be  Islander Expat   Oct-29-07 04:59 AM   #17 
  - If it was intended as a secondary result, like a "side-benefit" that's genocide  CreekDog   Oct-29-07 03:02 PM   #29 
     - Yup..Theres another country that makes that example also..  Islander Expat   Oct-29-07 07:37 PM   #39 
  - You don't need to kill them all  Oak2004   Oct-30-07 12:31 PM   #58 
  - I can't believe some of the posts I'm reading in this thread.  Crunchy Frog   Oct-29-07 05:35 AM   #18 
  - I know. My God, I thought the Far Left quit shilling for Stalin in the 50s.  Odin2005   Oct-29-07 08:03 AM   #20 
  - What a bunch of faux-outrage you people whip up when it suits you  JVS   Oct-29-07 05:00 PM   #34 
  - Crazy Isn't It...  FuJun   Oct-29-07 11:49 AM   #24 
  - Right! It's unbelievable that a bunch of "leftists" are parroting a fascist like Bob Conquest!  JVS   Oct-29-07 02:39 PM   #28 
  - The President of Ukraine is admitting genocide, but DU is defending Stalin  CreekDog   Oct-29-07 03:05 PM   #30 
  - Frankly, I couldn't be much more shocked if DUers were defending Hitler.  Crunchy Frog   Oct-29-07 04:10 PM   #31 
  - I'm floored that so-called progressives are so bafflingly simple minded.  GirlinContempt   Oct-29-07 11:48 PM   #43 
  - Riiight...  FuJun   Oct-30-07 07:31 AM   #47 
     - Just about everything you're saying is a leap of logic.  GirlinContempt   Oct-30-07 11:50 AM   #55 
        - Debating with you is a waste of time...  FuJun   Oct-30-07 12:33 PM   #59 
           - Again with the leaps!  GirlinContempt   Oct-30-07 12:45 PM   #61 
  - I;m an ex-Marxist so I know how morons like this work.  Odin2005   Oct-30-07 07:54 AM   #48 
  - Sorry, I think you only know how morons like yourself work.  GirlinContempt   Oct-30-07 11:58 AM   #56 
  - ITA!  LeftishBrit   Oct-30-07 04:38 PM   #68 
     - Well...  FuJun   Oct-30-07 04:41 PM   #70 
  - The president of the Ukraine is looking for a moral club with which to beat Russia...  JVS   Oct-29-07 05:10 PM   #35 
  - That doesn't make the genocide not a genocide  CreekDog   Oct-29-07 05:30 PM   #36 
  - No, what makes it not a genocide is that it never was a genocide.  JVS   Oct-29-07 05:48 PM   #37 
     - Ah, it's war when one side does it, but not the other way around  CreekDog   Oct-29-07 06:19 PM   #38 
     - Based on how evil the regime was I don't blame them for "waging war on the Soviet state."  Odin2005   Oct-30-07 07:59 AM   #50 
     - Your logic is circular  JVS   Oct-30-07 08:55 AM   #53 
     - War was it?  FuJun   Oct-30-07 04:56 PM   #73 
        - You're the one spouting nonesense. Collective farms were a threat to the kulaks because...  JVS   Oct-30-07 05:18 PM   #76 
           - A False Dichotomy..  FuJun   Oct-31-07 06:23 AM   #83 
  - I'm all for using a moral club to beat Russia with.  Odin2005   Oct-30-07 07:56 AM   #49 
     - Russophobe  JVS   Oct-30-07 08:57 AM   #54 
        - Is that the best you can do?  FuJun   Oct-30-07 12:58 PM   #63 
        - Oh, that means a lot coming from someone whose idea of an argument is to mention Stalin  JVS   Oct-30-07 02:00 PM   #65 
           - Ummm...  FuJun   Oct-30-07 04:39 PM   #69 
              - Oooh nice adhominem! There is nothing imaginary about Kulaks, nor the conflicts of classes  JVS   Oct-30-07 05:14 PM   #75 
        - No, just pro-Liberal Democracy and am against Marxist BS.  Odin2005   Oct-30-07 03:12 PM   #66 
  - Defending Stalin is not equal to disputing genocide.  GirlinContempt   Oct-29-07 11:42 PM   #42 
     - true, but there was defending Stalin in this thread nt  CreekDog   Oct-30-07 12:55 AM   #44 
     - One person = DU?  GirlinContempt   Oct-30-07 02:09 AM   #45 
        - fair enough nt  CreekDog   Oct-30-07 12:23 PM   #57 
     - Anyone who defends Stalin is worse then shit. n/t.  Odin2005   Oct-30-07 08:00 AM   #51 
  - I know its just astounding  knight_of_the_star   Oct-29-07 04:41 PM   #32 
  - Defending Stalin is not equal to disputing genocide.  GirlinContempt   Oct-29-07 11:41 PM   #41 
     - Yes it is  knight_of_the_star   Oct-30-07 12:36 PM   #60 
        - No, it isn't.  GirlinContempt   Oct-30-07 12:48 PM   #62 
           - Except it was  knight_of_the_star   Oct-30-07 09:20 PM   #79 
              - Except it wasn't genocide.  GirlinContempt   Oct-30-07 10:49 PM   #80 
                 - But the rabid anti-communists keep telling me it was!  JVS   Oct-30-07 11:24 PM   #81 
                    - For the record...  FuJun   Oct-31-07 07:27 AM   #84 
  - It is depressing  Throd   Oct-29-07 08:03 PM   #40 
  - Hitler Could Have Cooperated With Ukranine  JPZenger   Oct-29-07 11:11 AM   #22 
  - Apparently, some people think that they are special.  NoodleyAppendage   Oct-29-07 11:53 AM   #26 
  - What was Stalins final body count? 20-30 million? Pure evil S.O.B.  Bo   Oct-29-07 02:29 PM   #27 
  - Probably more  knight_of_the_star   Oct-29-07 04:43 PM   #33 
  - Agreed - pure evil!  LeftishBrit   Oct-30-07 04:49 PM   #71 
  - It is definetely not a genocide  TheLastMohican   Oct-30-07 07:04 AM   #46 
     - "USchenko"  Odin2005   Oct-30-07 08:01 AM   #52 
        - My bias?  TheLastMohican   Oct-30-07 12:59 PM   #64 
           - My husband is from Kyiv and all my in-laws are there  chatnoir   Oct-30-07 03:43 PM   #67 
              - Welcome to DU. I hope you will post more.  Crunchy Frog   Oct-30-07 04:50 PM   #72 
              - Thanks, Crunchy Frog  chatnoir   Oct-30-07 05:11 PM   #74 
              - imo, the reason they had US advisor's is because they were very clueless on what  ohio2007   Oct-30-07 08:17 PM   #78 
              - Before we go any further  TheLastMohican   Oct-31-07 05:41 AM   #82 

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