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83. That is the biggest fallacy of WWII
The worse year for the Depression (in the US) was 1938, by 1939 the US was well on it way to full recovery from the Depression (By 1941 you had storages of labor in the US, which is one of the reason FDR started the Draft in 1941). This happened to Germany in 1934, in Japan in 1936, in France and England a little later than Germany but before the US. The Soviet Union had also suffered in the Depression (Through never admitted) but even it was on it way up by the time of the show trials of 1938. In fact the chief reason Hitler went to war in 1939 was, while the German army needed another two years to get up to full strength, France and England would need three, but by the time Germany was at full strength, England and France would be stronger in comparison to Germany then France and England was in 1939 i.e. Hitler had a window of Opportunity till France and England grew strong enough to stop him. That window was 1939-1940, by 1941 France and England could defeat Germany (in fact by 1941 Military expenditure of England was exceeding Germany, but by that time France had fallen).

My point was the world had recovered from the Great Depression by the start of WWII. WWII was NOT needed to get us out of the Depression. In fact the ending of the Depression meant that support for Hitler's rules (i.e. tyranny to protect Corporations) was no longer needed by even Germany (Thus the German Army plot to kill Hitler in 1938, that failed without Hitler finding out about it, unlike the 1944 plot almost killed Hitler, but for which many Germans paid the price with their lives).

People like to think WWII ended the Depression but the facts do NOT support that conclusion, they follow each other, but one did not end the other.
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  -Iran to fire '11,000 rockets in minute' if attacked Richard D  Oct-20-07 11:05 AM   #0 
  - Nice to know both sides are keeping cool heads. nt  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-20-07 11:08 AM   #1 
  - This would be why attacking Iran is *not* like attacking Iraq...  IndyOp   Oct-20-07 11:09 AM   #2 
  - And the millions of young, pro-Western Iranians will instantly become anti-US.  tridim   Oct-20-07 11:18 AM   #5 
  - Yup  Richard D   Oct-20-07 12:51 PM   #17 
  - It would only ensure Iran's destruction.  JeanGrey   Oct-20-07 02:23 PM   #34 
     - How many bombs would ensure Iran's destruction? How many would die?  IndyOp   Oct-20-07 02:38 PM   #35 
     - Iran does not have the power to wage much of a war.  JeanGrey   Oct-20-07 03:41 PM   #40 
        - "ensuring their own destruction in a matter of hours"  loindelrio   Oct-20-07 04:27 PM   #42 
           - Insurgent war vs massive strategic bombing..  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 04:32 PM   #43 
              - What are you talking about?  loindelrio   Oct-20-07 04:51 PM   #45 
              - If I curse will it make me smarter??  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 05:12 PM   #47 
                 - Had a lot of people on that Iraq war plan, too  loindelrio   Oct-20-07 05:18 PM   #49 
                 - Read cobra2, fiasco  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 05:27 PM   #50 
                    - The OP regards Iran's response to their being attacked first  loindelrio   Oct-20-07 05:40 PM   #54 
                       - None from me..(nt)  Pavulon   Oct-21-07 09:48 AM   #66 
                 - The RG commander is talking about a response to a US first strike  independentpiney   Oct-20-07 05:35 PM   #52 
                    - My posts cover defense response only  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 05:38 PM   #53 
                       - Unfortunately the Chimp in Chief and Cheney don't serve the interests of the United States either  independentpiney   Oct-20-07 06:03 PM   #55 
              - Strategic?  bmbmd   Oct-21-07 08:25 AM   #65 
              - Isnt't that like Shock & Awe?  NYC   Oct-21-07 03:37 PM   #72 
                 - Not as many as would drop in response to an attack  Pavulon   Oct-21-07 03:46 PM   #73 
     - Iran has a defense alliance with Syria....they have linked arms (pun intended).n/t  Dover   Oct-20-07 10:28 PM   #58 
     - You mean like Iraq wouldn;t fight for long? The Cakewalk?  TOJ   Oct-20-07 10:32 PM   #60 
     - "They wouldn't fight for long." --- LOL, just like Iraq and Afghanistan?  Progressive Friend   Oct-21-07 07:11 PM   #76 
  - bush's press agent doing the usual fea mongering?  niyad   Oct-20-07 11:09 AM   #3 
  - IraN said this.  rodeodance   Oct-20-07 12:02 PM   #8 
  - Actually I believe this to be true. They've had years to prepare after  Purveyor   Oct-20-07 11:10 AM   #4 
  - They have been preparing for it since the day after the revolution  harun   Oct-22-07 06:28 PM   #82 
  - Bye bye flat tops!  tuckessee   Oct-20-07 11:57 AM   #6 
  - Dude..  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 12:18 PM   #9 
     - It's not just getting old, it's getting extremely dangerous.  tuckessee   Oct-20-07 12:56 PM   #18 
        - No. That is incorrect  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 01:13 PM   #21 
           - Did no one tell you who the President had as a houseguest last week?  acmavm   Oct-20-07 01:18 PM   #22 
           - No news of a signed treaty  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 01:22 PM   #24 
              - When did Iran threaten to attack the US?  acmavm   Oct-20-07 01:30 PM   #25 
                 - When did the US threaten to attack Iran?  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 01:32 PM   #26 
                    - Don't be disingenuous. Do you not recognize the exact same words  acmavm   Oct-20-07 01:48 PM   #29 
                       - 'shock and awful' was used against IraQ  Amonester   Oct-20-07 02:01 PM   #31 
                       - This runs back to Beirut  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 02:44 PM   #37 
           - Iran fought a 10-year war with an army which was backed by the US  PaulaFarrell   Oct-21-07 03:07 AM   #62 
           - What a load of horse-crap  TheLastMohican   Oct-21-07 03:20 AM   #63 
              - Quite simply  Pavulon   Oct-21-07 11:39 AM   #69 
                 - I guess you missed the whole point of this thread  TheLastMohican   Oct-22-07 05:04 AM   #78 
  - our troops in IRaQ bases would be sitting ducks  rodeodance   Oct-20-07 12:01 PM   #7 
  - like darth cheney and co from the pnac asylum care...  Amonester   Oct-20-07 12:26 PM   #10 
     - I can hear Jim Morrison singing that in the background...  Buns_of_Fire   Oct-21-07 06:41 AM   #64 
        - Seriously???  allisonthegreat   Oct-21-07 11:55 AM   #70 
  - And they will be targeting the Gulf oil production, the Achilles Heel  loindelrio   Oct-20-07 12:30 PM   #11 
  - We import from  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 12:34 PM   #12 
  - Didn't even read what I posted, did you.  loindelrio   Oct-20-07 12:45 PM   #14 
     - That would be a very bad thing  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 01:06 PM   #19 
        - 1) "Iran is attacked in such a way as to threaten the continuity of the regime"  loindelrio   Oct-20-07 02:11 PM   #33 
           - A careful study of history  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 02:58 PM   #39 
              - "I do not support the war"  loindelrio   Oct-20-07 04:20 PM   #41 
                 - Nothing new under the sun...  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 04:37 PM   #44 
                 - "Addressing me rather than the content of the post"  loindelrio   Oct-20-07 04:58 PM   #46 
                 - I was with you until this post, loindelrio  Psephos   Oct-21-07 09:52 PM   #77 
  - This is one of the most intelligent sub-threads I have seen in a long while at DU...  arendt   Oct-20-07 06:21 PM   #56 
  - Bravo!  Palladin   Oct-21-07 10:40 AM   #68 
  - Less spectacularly,  fshrink   Oct-21-07 02:49 PM   #71 
  - This is why Seymour Hirsch's latest article was worrisome  loindelrio   Oct-20-07 12:39 PM   #13 
  - But we're broke.  Gregorian   Oct-20-07 12:48 PM   #15 
  - how does one fight a war without money?  frylock   Oct-20-07 01:11 PM   #20 
     - Yes, but...  Gregorian   Oct-20-07 01:35 PM   #27 
     - Not necessarily  hawkowl88   Oct-22-07 02:33 PM   #79 
        - That is the biggest fallacy of WWII  happyslug   Oct-22-07 08:18 PM   #83 
           - I respectfully disagree  hawkowl88   Oct-23-07 02:26 AM   #84 
  - That's a lot of rockets.  Lautremont   Oct-20-07 12:50 PM   #16 
  - ...and you can bet a good amount of them...  roamer65   Oct-20-07 01:19 PM   #23 
  - With luck, their missiles were made in China, and will explode shortly after being launched.  HypnoToad   Oct-20-07 01:46 PM   #28 
  - US won't attack Iran unless the chimp is insane... Oh wait!  jimlup   Oct-20-07 01:54 PM   #30 
  - *Yawn* Look at WWI.  NutmegYankee   Oct-20-07 02:01 PM   #32 
  - Or GW1  Pavulon   Oct-20-07 02:47 PM   #38 
     - Rockets are unguided.  NutmegYankee   Oct-20-07 07:15 PM   #57 
        - attack iran 3rd world power  yava   Oct-21-07 02:31 AM   #61 
  - Or perhaps an asymetric response...  yowzayowzayowza   Oct-20-07 02:41 PM   #36 
  - This guy is smart and he warns if Iran goes so does lots of  lovuian   Oct-20-07 05:16 PM   #48 
  - But . . but . .  loindelrio   Oct-20-07 05:30 PM   #51 
  - Attacking Iran means also having to attack Syria.....they have a defense agreement.  Dover   Oct-20-07 10:30 PM   #59 
  - good for them...keep strong iran!!!!  scarface2004   Oct-21-07 10:25 AM   #67 
  - WTF?  NutmegYankee   Oct-21-07 05:40 PM   #75 
  - Excuse me?  hogwyld   Oct-22-07 05:17 PM   #81 
  - I'm willing to bet we don't have a defense for that!  Xenotime   Oct-21-07 05:27 PM   #74 
  - Block the straits of Hormuz  hawkowl88   Oct-22-07 02:35 PM   #80 

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