| 25. Our genocidal histories |
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How ironic that the Turks are said to have utilized Kurdish mercenaries to carry out their evil intent.
How ironic that Ms.. Pelosi is choosing to condemn the mass killing which reportedly began in 1915, about midway through our own government's genocide of indigenous Americans that began a half century earlier and ended a half century later. Maybe Turkey should pass its own resolution recognizing these crimes for what they are.
Meanwhile Ms. Pelosi won't help impeach our own mass killers...
Irony abounds
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| -Pelosi Vows to Push Ahead With Genocide Measure |
Omaha Steve |
Oct-14-07 04:05 PM |
#0 |
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Nancy YOU MUST be honest with the American people |
seemslikeadream |
Oct-14-07 04:06 PM |
#1 |
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Is that why? Now it makes sense. Why doesn't she just say so! |
Joanne98 |
Oct-14-07 04:10 PM |
#3 |
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I have no idea why she is doing this |
seemslikeadream |
Oct-14-07 04:17 PM |
#4 |
| -
hmmm |
Flabbergasted |
Oct-14-07 05:04 PM |
#11 |
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Of course they want them to invade... |
Javaman |
Oct-15-07 09:25 AM |
#77 |
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US politicians have been promising this for a while |
PaulaFarrell |
Oct-15-07 04:29 AM |
#59 |
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SEE # 44 POST |
rodeodance |
Oct-15-07 10:20 AM |
#90 |
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Nancy, please come up with a new resolution.......... |
BlueJac |
Oct-14-07 04:49 PM |
#10 |
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Can we Impeach Pelosi and replace her with Kucinich? |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-14-07 05:15 PM |
#13 |
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I'd think Kucinich would support this as well. Maybe not the timing but the principle. |
Flabbergasted |
Oct-14-07 05:49 PM |
#19 |
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We might as well bring up the attempted genocide of Native Americans |
eagler |
Oct-15-07 08:34 PM |
#146 |
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That was a real genocide. nt |
Flabbergasted |
Oct-16-07 12:42 AM |
#157 |
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Why is she doing this? |
nebula |
Oct-14-07 10:32 PM |
#29 |
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So the slaughter of 1.5 million of my people is irrelevant to you? |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 12:56 AM |
#53 |
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Perhaps |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 08:16 AM |
#68 |
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Yep, who do we throw under the bus next for political expediency! |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 08:53 AM |
#72 |
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How many Armenian |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 10:00 AM |
#81 |
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STOP conflating this with other issues. It. Stands. On. It's. Own! |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 11:00 AM |
#100 |
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Huh, |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 11:12 AM |
#101 |
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Ending the Iraq war is also a positive outcome. |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 11:17 AM |
#103 |
| -
That would take courageous leadership |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 11:23 AM |
#106 |
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lol - this is a possible courageous step to end the war |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 11:27 AM |
#108 |
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OK, |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 11:29 AM |
#109 |
| -
i care |
shanti |
Oct-15-07 10:05 AM |
#83 |
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It's nice to hear |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 10:56 AM |
#99 |
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My screenname is a Romani word borrowed from Armenian |
Chovexani |
Oct-15-07 06:25 PM |
#144 |
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there are some Armenians who did survive, and those who did |
alyce douglas |
Oct-15-07 12:55 PM |
#124 |
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We will be accused of much, but not genocide. We're enablers though |
SleeplessinSoCal |
Oct-16-07 01:39 AM |
#161 |
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How about the million Muslims killed in the latter half of the 19th century |
Malikshah |
Oct-15-07 09:08 PM |
#150 |
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It happened over a hundred years ago. |
nebula |
Oct-16-07 06:22 PM |
#175 |
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Historical Ignorance is Duly Noted. Why don't Americans learn from history? |
Leopolds Ghost |
Oct-17-07 11:33 AM |
#181 |
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SEE # 44 POST |
rodeodance |
Oct-15-07 10:21 AM |
#91 |
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She's doing it to give Turkey an opportunity to shut down the war in Iraq. |
lvx35 |
Oct-15-07 12:24 AM |
#44 |
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yes, I have had a conversation about this--could very well be true. I hope it does |
rodeodance |
Oct-15-07 10:19 AM |
#88 |
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Yes, this even more shows how the anger is misplaced using Iraq as a comparison |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 11:14 AM |
#102 |
| -
An elegant solution! |
TexasBushwhacker |
Oct-15-07 11:20 AM |
#104 |
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really n/t |
allisonthegreat |
Oct-15-07 11:41 AM |
#113 |
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Then she should have the guts to admit it |
Mike Daniels |
Oct-15-07 02:16 PM |
#130 |
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Oh, I don't think its too bad. |
lvx35 |
Oct-15-07 05:37 PM |
#141 |
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In Turkey (unlike Iran) it is actually ILLEGAL to assert that the Holocaust occurred |
Leopolds Ghost |
Oct-17-07 11:43 AM |
#184 |
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I can't help but wonder if that's exactly what this was meant to do |
Col Jack D Ripper |
Oct-16-07 11:29 AM |
#170 |
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A NATO partner we made in order to have a client state against Russia. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Oct-17-07 11:41 AM |
#183 |
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The only thing plain in this world is a bagel. |
HypnoToad |
Oct-15-07 03:41 PM |
#137 |
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It would make supplying Iraq vastly more difficult but the Iraq war wouldn't stop because of it. |
Flabbergasted |
Oct-16-07 12:47 AM |
#158 |
| -
I also wonder |
CJCRANE |
Oct-16-07 07:19 AM |
#164 |
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My take on it: |
lvx35 |
Oct-16-07 11:40 PM |
#180 |
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Because Most Americans are historically Ignorant & don't realize Iraq war depends on Turkish support |
Leopolds Ghost |
Oct-17-07 11:36 AM |
#182 |
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Because YOU care about Burma and you SHOULD care about 1.5 MILLION ARMENIANS SLAUGHTERED |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 12:53 AM |
#52 |
| -
you know damn well this is ALL politics for Nancy |
seemslikeadream |
Oct-15-07 06:35 AM |
#62 |
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It's been on the docket for 40 years. |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 07:25 AM |
#63 |
| -
Of course the genocide needs to be officially recognized |
Col Jack D Ripper |
Oct-16-07 11:24 AM |
#169 |
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True - and fine with me |
HughMoran |
Oct-16-07 11:15 PM |
#179 |
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Maybe she should try focusing on stopping people being slaughtered RIGHT NOW |
nodehopper |
Oct-15-07 07:26 AM |
#64 |
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Yes, that too. |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 07:36 AM |
#66 |
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uh...I was talking about Iraq |
nodehopper |
Oct-16-07 04:52 PM |
#173 |
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Does anybody know why she's doing this right now? |
Joanne98 |
Oct-14-07 04:08 PM |
#2 |
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You can't compare Iraq and Armenia |
PaulaFarrell |
Oct-15-07 04:37 AM |
#60 |
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SEE # 44 POST |
rodeodance |
Oct-15-07 10:20 AM |
#89 |
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We saw it |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 10:29 AM |
#97 |
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So, do we also let the Kurds be the next to get massacred? |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 11:21 AM |
#105 |
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Will this resolution stop that? nt |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 11:24 AM |
#107 |
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It will certainly put the eye of the world onto the capability of the Turks to be killers |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 11:31 AM |
#110 |
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Your insults |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 11:38 AM |
#111 |
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Lol - now call ME insulting when you have been a condescending poster |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 11:46 AM |
#114 |
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Genocide is genocide, so should we tell the Armenians |
48percenter |
Oct-15-07 11:53 AM |
#116 |
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Its been introduced every year, and this time no one stopped it |
JPZenger |
Oct-15-07 01:14 PM |
#128 |
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And please follow up with a resolution condemning |
ben_meyers |
Oct-14-07 04:22 PM |
#5 |
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How about slavery reparations, Pelosi? |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-14-07 10:52 PM |
#35 |
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Sure! |
Socal31 |
Oct-15-07 01:15 AM |
#55 |
| -
OK, let's talk about the present... |
ProudDad |
Oct-15-07 02:01 AM |
#57 |
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EXCELLENT post, ProudDad. I'd say Congress needs to get on that FIRST. |
chimpymustgo |
Oct-15-07 05:56 PM |
#143 |
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I'm curious..... |
Socal31 |
Oct-16-07 12:55 AM |
#159 |
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this resolution at this time just doesnt make any sense |
lionesspriyanka |
Oct-14-07 04:24 PM |
#6 |
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SEE # 44 POST |
rodeodance |
Oct-15-07 10:22 AM |
#92 |
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If true |
ProudDad |
Oct-15-07 07:13 PM |
#145 |
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It's an issue oft brought up, and CA has a large Armenian population. |
pinto |
Oct-14-07 04:29 PM |
#7 |
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In any other time this would be a near non-issue. |
Flabbergasted |
Oct-14-07 05:09 PM |
#12 |
| -
It's Hard To Comprehend, but |
nightrider767 |
Oct-14-07 04:48 PM |
#8 |
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It was brought up in Clinton Adm and he asked not to pass it and it was put in the drawer |
rodeodance |
Oct-14-07 05:31 PM |
#17 |
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I was just preparing to ask about this in a post. |
hedgehog |
Oct-14-07 07:35 PM |
#24 |
| -
SEE # 44 POST |
rodeodance |
Oct-15-07 10:25 AM |
#95 |
| -
Nancy, could you throw us a bone on the Iraqi Genocide of the 21st century? |
The Stranger |
Oct-14-07 04:48 PM |
#9 |
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There is no genocide n/t |
Zandor |
Oct-14-07 06:00 PM |
#21 |
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Of course there is genocide. Maybe you haven't been keeping up with current evnets. |
The Stranger |
Oct-14-07 10:25 PM |
#27 |
| -
Who is executing this genocide? |
Zandor |
Oct-15-07 08:11 AM |
#67 |
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You really cannot be serious. |
The Stranger |
Oct-15-07 08:47 AM |
#71 |
| -
Yes. Who is the perp, and who are the victims |
Zandor |
Oct-15-07 10:41 AM |
#98 |
| -
There's 1.2 million dead Iraqis. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Oct-15-07 05:39 PM |
#142 |
| -
A disputed number |
Zandor |
Oct-16-07 06:54 AM |
#162 |
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Yeah, disputed like Ahmadinejad disputes the holocaust. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Oct-16-07 10:36 AM |
#165 |
| -
There will be many more dead Iraqis. |
ronnie624 |
Oct-16-07 12:02 AM |
#156 |
| -
Definition of genocide |
Zandor |
Oct-16-07 06:58 AM |
#163 |
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Point taken. |
ronnie624 |
Oct-16-07 10:39 AM |
#166 |
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The genocide against the Armenians and then the Jews |
CreekDog |
Oct-14-07 10:34 PM |
#30 |
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Some people are more specialler than others |
Chulanowa |
Oct-15-07 05:13 AM |
#61 |
| -
No Shit! |
Megahurtz |
Oct-15-07 03:27 PM |
#135 |
| -
I HONESTLY can't tell if you are being sarcastic. |
nodehopper |
Oct-15-07 07:27 AM |
#65 |
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Or the mother of a dead Iraqi child. nt |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 08:17 AM |
#69 |
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WEll I know it is a big deal here in LA where there is a large Armenian -population, but that |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 05:18 PM |
#14 |
| -
Pushed by House Members With Many Armenian Residents |
JPZenger |
Oct-15-07 01:03 PM |
#125 |
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I heard a caller on (I think it was) Ed Schultz |
EarlG |
Oct-14-07 05:21 PM |
#15 |
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It's as plausible as any of the other theory. |
Flabbergasted |
Oct-14-07 05:52 PM |
#20 |
| -
Interesting take. |
pinto |
Oct-14-07 06:52 PM |
#23 |
| -
This could backfire horribly |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-14-07 10:17 PM |
#26 |
| -
Turkey is already doing incursions into Iraq |
CreekDog |
Oct-14-07 10:35 PM |
#31 |
| -
I know... |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-14-07 11:16 PM |
#37 |
| -
keep worrying, but I doubt this changes the worry quotient |
CreekDog |
Oct-14-07 11:35 PM |
#39 |
| -
Whatever the real "backstory", the only thing I know |
AchtungToddler |
Oct-15-07 12:33 AM |
#46 |
| -
"Without access to Turkey the occupation would end." |
endarkenment |
Oct-15-07 11:52 AM |
#115 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-14-07 05:31 PM |
#16 |
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Your post pretty much sums it up for me |
Jacobin |
Oct-14-07 06:27 PM |
#22 |
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Wonder if Pelosi is worried about Sheehan... |
Wwagsthedog |
Oct-15-07 01:09 AM |
#54 |
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because it won't pass and because by the time it could pass |
CreekDog |
Oct-14-07 10:36 PM |
#32 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-15-07 12:23 AM |
#43 |
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This headline shows up at the IP link: .Turkish General Warns U.S. on Resolution |
rodeodance |
Oct-14-07 05:32 PM |
#18 |
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Our genocidal histories |
condejodido |
Oct-14-07 09:27 PM |
#25 |
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Or the bombings of Korea, Viet Nam, Cambodia and so forth, |
ronnie624 |
Oct-15-07 10:02 AM |
#82 |
| -
Why is she doing this? |
nebula |
Oct-14-07 10:31 PM |
#28 |
| -
SEE # 44 POST |
rodeodance |
Oct-15-07 10:23 AM |
#93 |
| -
What gets me about the posters here |
CreekDog |
Oct-14-07 10:38 PM |
#33 |
| -
The Ottoman Empire is not modern Turkey |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-14-07 10:50 PM |
#34 |
| -
I'll bet she would |
CreekDog |
Oct-14-07 10:55 PM |
#36 |
| -
What about human rights and independence for the Iraqi people? |
nebula |
Oct-14-07 11:25 PM |
#38 |
| -
Don't buy it |
noise |
Oct-15-07 12:12 AM |
#40 |
| -
This Armenian could not disagree with you more |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 12:39 AM |
#49 |
| -
Pelosi's |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 09:26 AM |
#78 |
| -
I was Armenian |
48percenter |
Oct-15-07 11:57 AM |
#118 |
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So glad you are fighting for this bill! |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 12:02 PM |
#119 |
| -
I am fighting too, this whole thing about the timing is stupid |
alyce douglas |
Oct-15-07 01:13 PM |
#127 |
| -
this misguided resolution has 255 cosponsors |
Enrique |
Oct-15-07 09:49 AM |
#80 |
| -
Is it possible |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 10:07 AM |
#84 |
| -
that's a valid point |
Enrique |
Oct-15-07 10:09 AM |
#85 |
| -
SEE # 44 POST |
rodeodance |
Oct-15-07 10:26 AM |
#96 |
| -
Incorrect. Ataturk was an advocate of the Armenian genocide |
Leopolds Ghost |
Oct-17-07 11:56 AM |
#185 |
| -
The irony is killing me! |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 12:35 AM |
#47 |
| -
Scale, |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 09:10 AM |
#75 |
| -
Who are "you people??!!" |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Oct-15-07 09:43 PM |
#153 |
| -
Sorry folks a stupid move, we were not even involved in the |
Historic NY |
Oct-15-07 12:16 AM |
#41 |
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I'm an Armenian and I HOPE you are talking tongue-in-cheek |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 12:44 AM |
#50 |
| -
Nothing against peoples rights........... |
Historic NY |
Oct-15-07 09:05 AM |
#73 |
| -
"Next you know she will be apologizing for the Confederacy" |
Leopolds Ghost |
Oct-17-07 12:02 PM |
#186 |
| -
American foreign policy hihacked. |
autorank |
Oct-15-07 12:22 AM |
#42 |
| -
I could be wrong |
noise |
Oct-15-07 12:36 AM |
#48 |
| -
"Turks treated the Armenians in just the very worst way" - 1.5 MILLION SLAUGHTERED |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 12:46 AM |
#51 |
| -
"These Turks" are demonstrating complicity |
ProudDad |
Oct-15-07 02:05 AM |
#58 |
| -
Actually, it isn't just as bad. nt |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 10:11 AM |
#86 |
| -
What would you say if Germany passed a law making it illegal to NOT deny the Holocaust |
Leopolds Ghost |
Oct-17-07 12:10 PM |
#188 |
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the bill's 255 cosponsors disagree with you |
Enrique |
Oct-15-07 09:45 AM |
#79 |
| -
Some surprising names on that list. Senselessbrenner and Issa? |
AllyCat |
Oct-16-07 01:34 AM |
#160 |
| -
"It wasn't these Turks" -- explain. Ataturk was one of the supporters of the genocide |
Leopolds Ghost |
Oct-17-07 12:05 PM |
#187 |
| -
Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-15-07 12:26 AM |
#45 |
| -
How's that impeachment going, Nancy? |
ProudDad |
Oct-15-07 01:55 AM |
#56 |
| -
Don't bother, darlin'. |
Prisoner_Number_Six |
Oct-15-07 08:21 AM |
#70 |
| -
I think this whole thing is a ploy to try and throw a wrench into the |
Sentinel Chicken |
Oct-15-07 09:05 AM |
#74 |
| -
Maybe she could fund |
spotbird |
Oct-15-07 09:23 AM |
#76 |
| -
BINGO___SEE # 44 POST |
rodeodance |
Oct-15-07 10:25 AM |
#94 |
| -
Your saying politics trumps troop support ? |
ohio2007 |
Oct-15-07 09:02 PM |
#149 |
| -
These words are almost identical to those used by Himmler to his SS killers in 1941. |
rodeodance |
Oct-15-07 10:17 AM |
#87 |
| -
^------- PLEASE READ THIS POST!! |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 12:54 PM |
#123 |
| -
WE need to call for a leadership vote in the House |
mikelgb |
Oct-15-07 11:39 AM |
#112 |
| -
Turkey and America |
realpolitik |
Oct-15-07 11:54 AM |
#117 |
| -
Sure - show spine on this |
dbackjon |
Oct-15-07 12:39 PM |
#120 |
| -
Wait unitl you see the repercussion of this vote |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 12:45 PM |
#121 |
| -
Do you really think that would cause a change in strategery? |
dbackjon |
Oct-15-07 04:21 PM |
#138 |
| -
Unpredictible behavior by a supposed ally? |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 10:21 PM |
#154 |
| -
Bush success rating at historic low |
Enrique |
Oct-15-07 02:17 PM |
#131 |
| -
Turkey shot their own foot, they have much to loose, and they |
alyce douglas |
Oct-15-07 12:49 PM |
#122 |
| -
Hostility in these posts is exactly why Congress should stay out |
JPZenger |
Oct-15-07 01:08 PM |
#126 |
| -
this all about US using Turkey for their illegal war to push supplies |
alyce douglas |
Oct-15-07 01:17 PM |
#129 |
| -
Sorry |
yellowwood |
Oct-15-07 03:00 PM |
#132 |
| -
It's the right thing to do - it's been 40 years of waiting |
HughMoran |
Oct-15-07 03:14 PM |
#133 |
| -
Very Sorry |
yellowwood |
Oct-15-07 05:14 PM |
#140 |
| -
NOW is not the right time! |
Sukie1941 |
Oct-15-07 03:22 PM |
#134 |
| -
well..... SEE # 44 POST |
ohio2007 |
Oct-15-07 09:15 PM |
#151 |
| -
Kind of complicated..... |
Sukie1941 |
Oct-15-07 10:47 PM |
#155 |
| -
Nancy flinched |
ohio2007 |
Oct-16-07 07:53 PM |
#177 |
| -
Maybe if they did a story about the successful passage of the resolution, |
Leopolds Ghost |
Oct-17-07 12:17 PM |
#189 |
| -
Is there more going on here? |
End Of The Road |
Oct-15-07 03:39 PM |
#136 |
| -
a deal is a deal |
ohio2007 |
Oct-15-07 08:57 PM |
#148 |
| -
bad headline, bad bad headline. |
superconnected |
Oct-15-07 04:46 PM |
#139 |
| -
Turkey Recalls Diplomat Over Genocide Vote |
ohio2007 |
Oct-15-07 08:53 PM |
#147 |
| -
Maybe she is playing chicken with bush. Give us Schip, and we will |
alfredo |
Oct-15-07 09:30 PM |
#152 |
| -
Well done Nancy!! |
Dutch |
Oct-16-07 10:54 AM |
#167 |
| -
Pelosi cares more about what happened in 1915 than she does about our troops dying in Iraq today |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-16-07 11:09 AM |
#168 |
| -
I'd rather see something done about the genocide that is occurring in Darfur |
noonwitch |
Oct-16-07 01:46 PM |
#171 |
| -
Doing something about Dafur will only upset the Chinese |
ohio2007 |
Oct-16-07 02:16 PM |
#172 |
| -
Good for her... |
Endangered Specie |
Oct-16-07 05:23 PM |
#174 |
| -
OK, here's a far-fetched alternative hypothesis... |
skids |
Oct-16-07 06:31 PM |
#176 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-16-07 10:28 PM |
#178 |
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