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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:31 PM
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34. political compass to the rescue
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 05:32 PM by iverglas
"Left" and "right" can mean ... and be used to mean ... quite different things.

Two dimensions of meaning (there are more) are illustrated in the Political Compass's graphs.

Hitler was considerably farther "left", economically, than most current candidates for the presidential nomination of either US political party.

But sorry, you got this one wrong:

For example, Libertarians are pro-choice. They believe the state has no right to interfere with a woman's right to do what she wants with her body. Ron Paul is very much anti-war, and he was the Libertarian presidential candidate.

Ron Paul himself is virulently anti-choice. And being anti-war, in the present circumstances in the US, is no left/right litmus test, no matter what sense "left" and "right" are used in.

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  -Switzerland reeling as radicals create havoc at rightwing political rally rayofreason  Oct-08-07 12:42 AM   #0 
  - Funny how the racist far right wingers aren't also portrayed as radicals.  Selatius   Oct-08-07 12:56 AM   #1 
  - The Right is resurgent in Europe  JCMach1   Oct-08-07 04:53 AM   #3 
  - yes, I was saddened when I heard he won-Bush has a friend now.  rodeodance   Oct-08-07 10:37 AM   #12 
  - The right is resurgent . .  msmcghee   Oct-08-07 11:53 AM   #15 
  - Far deeper than that... I saw how far things had gone when l found  JCMach1   Oct-09-07 12:12 AM   #20 
     - Swiss Expulsion Proposal Draws Criticism  Scurrilous   Oct-09-07 12:40 AM   #21 
     - I believe that the immigrants that the Germans most want removed  amandabeech   Oct-09-07 05:06 PM   #33 
  - Yes but Switzerland has a long history of right wing politics. They may have been "neutral"  yellowcanine   Oct-09-07 09:26 AM   #26 
  - The right destroyed Europe twice in the last century  niceypoo   Oct-10-07 07:20 AM   #38 
  - Concise answer to a rhetorical question.  OmelasExpat   Oct-11-07 11:08 AM   #43 
  - If you dont realize that the French are the most Xenophobic people on this planet,  Socal31   Oct-11-07 01:20 AM   #41 
     - LOL, funny! Guess you've not spent much time in Eastern Europe (or France for that matter). -eom  Justitia   Oct-11-07 02:32 AM   #42 
  - Black bloc is only about violence and venting anger  Crayson   Oct-08-07 06:17 AM   #6 
  - Now who's tactic was it to rough demonstrations up in the Third Reich?  UncleSepp   Oct-09-07 12:54 AM   #22 
  - At what point do you feel self defense is necessary?  8643   Oct-09-07 10:08 AM   #29 
     - When someone comes at you with a knife, and with the latter, we can fight through the legislature.  Selatius   Oct-09-07 10:58 AM   #30 
  - cool. n/t  xchrom   Oct-08-07 04:34 AM   #2 
  - absolutely NOT cool...  Crayson   Oct-08-07 06:06 AM   #5 
  - Stupid black bloc radicals! Now the left has to appologise and distance themselves AGAIN!  Crayson   Oct-08-07 06:00 AM   #4 
  - i am all with you  reggie the dog   Oct-08-07 08:06 AM   #7 
  - Often times the "extremists" are actually agents provocateurs  Progressive Friend   Oct-09-07 01:08 AM   #23 
  - Who benefits by the reaction to these masked rioters?  Judi Lynn   Oct-08-07 08:14 AM   #8 
  - Right Wing Strategy to Cast Blame  Toots   Oct-08-07 08:18 AM   #9 
     - Eeeeyup! Too many instances ALREADY on the books with people discovering  Judi Lynn   Oct-08-07 08:53 AM   #10 
        - 1,000 rioters...  rayofreason   Oct-08-07 11:27 AM   #14 
           - As I said, who benefits? Period. Leftists aren't that stupid. We weren't born yesterday. Period. n/t  Judi Lynn   Oct-08-07 12:12 PM   #16 
              - As one who lived in Seattle during the anarachist riots . .  msmcghee   Oct-08-07 02:06 PM   #17 
              - Not that stupid? ROFLMAO!  rayofreason   Oct-08-07 05:11 PM   #18 
                 - the Nazis were not a left wing party  provis99   Oct-08-07 11:44 PM   #19 
                    - Good post. It is often the right-wing Libertarians who claim that the Nazis were leftists  Progressive Friend   Oct-09-07 01:09 AM   #24 
                    - Libertarians are not right wing.  rayofreason   Oct-09-07 09:54 AM   #28 
                       - Libertarians are right wing as far as the collectivist vs. capitalist spectrum goes  Selatius   Oct-09-07 11:06 AM   #31 
                       - laissez-faire capitalism = very right-wing  Progressive Friend   Oct-09-07 03:36 PM   #32 
                       - You've been -fooled-  leftist_not_liberal   Oct-10-07 04:43 AM   #37 
                    - I didn't say the Nazis were Leftists.  rayofreason   Oct-09-07 09:25 AM   #25 
                       - Hats off to you sir.  Throd   Oct-09-07 09:51 AM   #27 
                       - Thanks  rayofreason   Oct-11-07 01:05 AM   #40 
                       - political compass to the rescue  iverglas   Oct-09-07 05:31 PM   #34 
                       - This is bullshit:  leftist_not_liberal   Oct-10-07 04:43 AM   #36 
                          - What a witty retort!  rayofreason   Oct-10-07 11:20 PM   #39 
  - '...The foreign minister and current Swiss president,  xxqqqzme   Oct-08-07 09:58 AM   #11 
  - Mr Blocher's SVP is expected to win lots of seats (the RW)  rodeodance   Oct-08-07 10:40 AM   #13 
  - Clashes in Switzerland at political rally (Euronews)  struggle4progress   Oct-09-07 10:34 PM   #35 

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