madfloridian
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Sun Oct-07-07 12:55 AM
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| 3. The ACLU was right all along. |
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http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/... They said new powers would be given. They said a train wreck was coming. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/... We are going to act so much like the Republicans to win the national security creds that there will soon be no difference.
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| -Democrats to Offer New Surveillance Rules: Bill Aims to Meet Privacy and Security Concerns |
DeepModem Mom |
Oct-07-07 12:36 AM |
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Good God. |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-07-07 12:38 AM |
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"e-mails and phone calls could come only from communications service providers" |
madfloridian |
Oct-07-07 12:50 AM |
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The ACLU was right all along. |
madfloridian |
Oct-07-07 12:55 AM |
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No, Washington Post, what you are describing is not a "foreign target." |
Kagemusha |
Oct-07-07 12:55 AM |
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hmm... Maybe I'm misreading this |
Thor_MN |
Oct-07-07 04:32 AM |
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Another misleading WP headline. The article describes just the opposite. |
PSPS |
Oct-07-07 02:05 AM |
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Worse and worse. n/t |
Orsino |
Oct-07-07 05:20 AM |
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Interesting subject to start here is when did fascism actually start in this country? |
pattmarty |
Oct-07-07 09:28 AM |
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1947 and 1949 with the creation of the National Security act and the CIA, I believe. |
soothsayer |
Oct-07-07 12:46 PM |
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kick |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-07-07 04:42 PM |
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At least there's no immunity in this. |
PassingFair |
Oct-07-07 05:08 PM |
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It appears I posted too soon.... |
PassingFair |
Oct-09-07 08:50 AM |
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K&R nt |
gateley |
Oct-07-07 05:19 PM |
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Democrats Seem Ready to Extend Wiretap Powers |
whereismyparty |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Bush and Hoyer are on the same page |
OzarkDem |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Because they are COWARDS. Sociopathic cowards. |
NoodleyAppendage |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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My Senator's (Salazar) office maintained they hadn't received their talking points when I called |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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If we wanted our lifes to be open, we would not need privacy. |
midnight |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Everyone in congress should allow us to record all of their phone calls, emails, etc. |
grahamhgreen |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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And Again |
MannyGoldstein |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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NO MORE. That's it. What's the point in even supporting Dems in Congress? |
NoodleyAppendage |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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I'm supporting the 72 Congressional Progressive Caucus members |
liberalla |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Why , oh why do our dems always cave? |
rubberducky |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Because They Know That We Won't Vote For Anyone Else |
MannyGoldstein |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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And we encourage that every time we post, "I'm voting for a Dem no matter what so there!" |
FiveGoodMen |
Oct-09-07 02:41 PM |
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Because they're in on the fascism game. |
backscatter712 |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Maybe it`s time we clean out the old time people in congress. |
rubberducky |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Absolutely! That's why Obama is the only candidate I can support. |
Kablooie |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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If I had my way, we'd throw out the lot of them - all of them on both |
JeanGrey |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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I hate to break the news to you |
Le Taz Hot |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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another good cleaning of the House and Senate is needed |
alyce douglas |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Careful, though. Congress got a LOT of new blood in '94, remember? |
FiveGoodMen |
Oct-09-07 02:41 PM |
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You're spot on... |
TwoSparkles |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Then GRIP! |
WarhammerTwo |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Hey, I like your thinking... |
TwoSparkles |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Great rant! |
Le Taz Hot |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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They don't want the give the Republicans an issue to beat Democrats over the head with |
Freddie Stubbs |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Because if they don't, the Republicans would NEVER just invent some bullshit issue, would they? |
hatrack |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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A lot DUers criticized congressional Democrats' strategy leading up to the 2006 elections |
Freddie Stubbs |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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That's what I'm doing - I'm looking at how that turned out |
hatrack |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Because they agree |
spotbird |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Time to hit |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Agreed. And compare notes. |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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I love that Margaret Mead quote. It's hopeful and inspiring. |
liberalla |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Yes, we need to hit the phones and tell them to join with the |
liberalla |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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The Democrats huff and puff and huff |
asjr |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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I give up.... |
WCGreen |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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The DLC has taken over our party.....this is why they worked so |
movonne |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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"We don't have the fucking votes to stop it"! |
Dr.Phool |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Just wait till the Democratic Abramoff is exposed. |
Kablooie |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Can anyone tell me what the Dems do precisely stand for at this point |
JCMach1 |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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I didn't leave my party; my party left me. Why oh why oh why? |
Emillereid |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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The Republicans left the Republicans and now the Democrats are leaving the Democrats. |
Kablooie |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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The Dems expect to win and want the same ability to spy on enemies. |
Kablooie |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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There they go again! Our freedoms mean nothing to the Democratic Congress. |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Oh, my sainted aunt! |
kimmylavin |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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This is about retroactive immunity for Bush. This was the simplest impeachment argument. |
grahamhgreen |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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For about twenty years, I've been voting "pragmatically". I think that's just about done. |
Tesha |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Is anyone really surprised? Come on, a show of hands |
TechBear_Seattle |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Pelosi is on record |
jonnyra |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Is it really necessary to refer to a female Democratic elected official as a 'bitch?' |
Freddie Stubbs |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Me use the tactics of freepers |
jonnyra |
Oct-09-07 05:38 PM |
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Just last Friday the Dems postponed this! |
liberalla |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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R.I.P. 4th Amendment |
PassingFair |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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I just called Sen Salazar's office, he hasn't "decided" on whether he'll vote for the bill. |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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What is it going to take? grrrrrrrrrrrrr |
Joanne98 |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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It's over, folks... |
Javaman |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Some of them TRIED. |
PassingFair |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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That's just it, only some of the try. nt |
Javaman |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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I know, and I'm as big an opponent of the DLC as anyone here... |
PassingFair |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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I know, it's almost like the widows delema... |
Javaman |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Because they believe they will win the next election |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Seems like the Democrats were just using the issue to raise money |
ImpeechBush |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
robinlynne |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Pelosi is a republican whore. And so is every dem who votes for this. |
superconnected |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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Oh hell no. |
sakabatou |
Oct-09-07 02:40 PM |
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