Sen. Walter Sobchak
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Mon Oct-08-07 06:31 PM
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| 119. "The Group of 88" had no reason to say anything, |
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These individuals were not serving in any disciplinary capacity and the ficticious events did not relate to any activity in or out of the classroom but their statements and behavior were prejudicial to the students and encouraged reprisals! "To the students speaking individually and to the protestors making collective noise, thank you for not waiting and for making yourselves heard." In case you were not paying attention, the actions taking place were not exactly over-flowing with reason or responsibility. The Black Panthers were making death threats and wanted posters were being posted, some featuring students who were not even at the party or even active students.
Faculty using their authority to conspire against groups of students is completely inappropriate, even if the students are assholes.
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| -Ex-Lacrosse Players File Sweeping Federal Lawsuit |
laureloak |
Oct-05-07 12:16 PM |
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maybe some good will come of this |
Enrique |
Oct-05-07 12:21 PM |
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Yep, looks like they want protect everyone from what they went through. |
Mike Daniels |
Oct-05-07 01:54 PM |
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I wish them the VERY best! |
Hepburn |
Oct-05-07 12:25 PM |
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I don't think they have a leg to stand on |
robcon |
Oct-05-07 12:36 PM |
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Nifong may well be shielded |
Lance_Boyle |
Oct-05-07 12:49 PM |
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Including the *crime* of |
Sadie4629 |
Oct-05-07 01:35 PM |
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if this were a case |
melm00se |
Oct-05-07 01:37 PM |
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if what they want is reform |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-05-07 12:45 PM |
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Lawsuits are just one of the ways to get redresses for grievances... |
Solon |
Oct-05-07 01:51 PM |
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Yes, they could write to their congressperson! |
FiveGoodMen |
Oct-05-07 05:40 PM |
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It's done a smashing job of ending the war! Oh wait, no it hasn't |
JVS |
Oct-06-07 07:02 PM |
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Governments and corporations don't just do things for you when you ask nicely |
bluestateguy |
Oct-05-07 08:55 PM |
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Armed insurrection for one, that may be a little over the |
pokercat999 |
Oct-06-07 04:39 PM |
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Make no mistake - the rich boys ARE after the money. As pointed out |
T Wolf |
Oct-05-07 01:06 PM |
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They were damaged for life by that attempt at railroading. |
laureloak |
Oct-05-07 01:22 PM |
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Duke kid's bonus: plum Wall St job (NY Post April 19, 2007) |
struggle4progress |
Oct-06-07 12:21 AM |
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Are you serious? Did you hear Evans speaking? |
laureloak |
Oct-10-07 04:04 PM |
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Damaged for life? |
alcibiades_mystery |
Oct-08-07 05:35 PM |
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Nobody? |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-10-07 12:44 AM |
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And jesse Jackson can exert influence on their lives how? |
alcibiades_mystery |
Oct-10-07 08:45 AM |
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Being silly? |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-10-07 04:47 PM |
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They were exonerated and applauded at twice the volume they were pilloried |
alcibiades_mystery |
Oct-10-07 07:55 PM |
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How about miscarriage of justice and abuse of the system? |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-11-07 05:25 PM |
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Agreed on every point, but that's a different point |
alcibiades_mystery |
Oct-11-07 05:39 PM |
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No it isn't a non sequitor |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-11-07 06:22 PM |
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There was no trial |
alcibiades_mystery |
Oct-12-07 02:04 PM |
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Agreed |
Mad_Dem_X |
Oct-10-07 08:51 AM |
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That's the most racist thing I've heard all day. |
Bleachers7 |
Oct-10-07 03:05 PM |
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They don't live in that state |
Bleachers7 |
Oct-05-07 01:46 PM |
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"Damaged for life"??? |
dogfacedboy |
Oct-07-07 06:57 AM |
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Do a google search on these guys |
Bleachers7 |
Oct-07-07 09:23 AM |
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All they have to do is have |
dogfacedboy |
Oct-08-07 10:18 AM |
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It included "drunken frat boys and a stripper" SO WHAT? |
JeanGrey |
Oct-08-07 12:43 PM |
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Agreed |
puffymuffins |
Oct-08-07 12:51 PM |
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Yes. The point I was making exactly. I think the lawsuit is a good |
JeanGrey |
Oct-08-07 12:54 PM |
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Actually they can |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-10-07 12:45 AM |
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What is your evidence that all of them are rich? |
CreekDog |
Oct-05-07 11:41 PM |
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I agree. They just want the bucks...if not, they'd use other means to seek |
Triana |
Oct-06-07 10:19 PM |
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I'm just sorry their suit doesn't include |
Sadie4629 |
Oct-05-07 01:36 PM |
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They have settled with Duke, and that settlement presumably |
lizzy |
Oct-05-07 07:19 PM |
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Where DO people come up with fictions like yours? |
struggle4progress |
Oct-05-07 08:57 PM |
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the 88 professors did no such thing n/t |
fishwax |
Oct-05-07 11:28 PM |
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Do you have evidence for that assertion? |
yardwork |
Oct-06-07 04:07 PM |
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Here's one ..."must come in the form of immediate dismissals"... |
SimpleTrend |
Oct-06-07 06:07 PM |
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of course, that's not from the group of 88 |
fishwax |
Oct-06-07 09:03 PM |
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That's a letter from Houston Baker only - he's no longer at Duke. |
yardwork |
Oct-07-07 11:19 AM |
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The general public can't really verify that, can we? |
SimpleTrend |
Oct-07-07 04:02 PM |
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If the original ad from the group of 88 faculty was so outrageous |
yardwork |
Oct-07-07 04:32 PM |
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Here is the link you are requesting |
toopers |
Oct-10-07 02:10 PM |
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A nasty rightwing hit piece from a rightwing site -- and without the requested ad text |
struggle4progress |
Oct-10-07 09:00 PM |
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I just delivered what Yardwork asked for . . . |
toopers |
Oct-11-07 06:49 AM |
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what did yardwork ask for that your link delivers? |
fishwax |
Oct-11-07 01:38 PM |
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that's a right-wing rant from a right-wing site |
fishwax |
Oct-10-07 11:27 PM |
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Each of them should get at least $10 million after taxes |
Bleachers7 |
Oct-05-07 01:44 PM |
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Really? |
fortyfeetunder |
Oct-06-07 03:28 PM |
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Really |
Bleachers7 |
Oct-07-07 09:24 AM |
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100m after taxes should be more like. |
ileus |
Oct-07-07 11:42 AM |
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Ironic, indeed |
Zandor |
Oct-05-07 01:46 PM |
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Why are some of you saying they are damaged for life??? |
justjones |
Oct-05-07 02:32 PM |
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Remember what Ray Donovan said after he and his co-defendants were acquitted of all charges? |
slackmaster |
Oct-05-07 05:05 PM |
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That still doesn't equate to being damaged for life. |
justjones |
Oct-05-07 05:52 PM |
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My personal answer to you is that any unjust accusation |
SimpleTrend |
Oct-05-07 06:15 PM |
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Uh, one of them seems already to have landed a job with six-figure salary |
struggle4progress |
Oct-06-07 12:24 AM |
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Sure, after he lost another similar job he had lined up before all this. |
mainegreen |
Oct-10-07 09:31 AM |
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Sure it does |
slackmaster |
Oct-05-07 06:37 PM |
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Hah? What do you mean they were not charged. |
lizzy |
Oct-05-07 07:21 PM |
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"... they ultimately were not charged with anything...." |
mahatmakanejeeves |
Oct-06-07 12:52 AM |
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In this particular case I think that the lacrosse players have had their reputations burnished! |
yardwork |
Oct-06-07 04:11 PM |
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Well, you've just listed all the things you would never have heard |
lizzy |
Oct-06-07 04:34 PM |
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Wrong. I knew all this before the accusations surfaced, because I'm a Duke alum |
yardwork |
Oct-06-07 05:16 PM |
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Maybe you knew, but most people didn't. |
lizzy |
Oct-06-07 05:26 PM |
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You Seem to Be Saying |
Crisco |
Oct-06-07 05:40 PM |
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No, I am saying they have suffered a loss of privacy, for one thing. |
lizzy |
Oct-06-07 06:26 PM |
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You're arguing with someone who had never heard of lacrosse before this case. |
yardwork |
Oct-07-07 11:15 AM |
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Hah? Are we discussing the game itself here? |
lizzy |
Oct-07-07 11:13 PM |
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I hope you are right - it's largely up to them, how they behave |
slackmaster |
Oct-07-07 09:33 AM |
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You still think they are scum |
AngryAmish |
Oct-07-07 11:26 AM |
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You're not a very effective mind-reader. |
yardwork |
Oct-07-07 08:13 PM |
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Richard Jewell was not convicted of anything either. |
lizzy |
Oct-05-07 07:20 PM |
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By that logic Richard Jewell was not damaged for life |
bluestateguy |
Oct-05-07 08:53 PM |
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Jewell was the person who popped into my mind too when I read the post above... |
SayWhatYo |
Oct-05-07 11:55 PM |
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Richard Jewell |
AngryAmish |
Oct-07-07 11:24 AM |
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Because.... |
lancer78 |
Oct-10-07 01:05 AM |
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Regardless of their background or wealth... |
Scooter24 |
Oct-05-07 02:52 PM |
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Yep, get lots of money we are ultimately paying for |
Sukie1941 |
Oct-05-07 05:02 PM |
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Will they now require.... |
PassingFair |
Oct-05-07 06:06 PM |
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While I can see some |
cstanleytech |
Oct-05-07 06:47 PM |
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Oh give me a break. In US, people sue on a drop of dime, |
lizzy |
Oct-05-07 07:24 PM |
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I never said they did not deserve some |
cstanleytech |
Oct-05-07 10:42 PM |
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They asked for a settlement of 10 millions each, and that obviously |
lizzy |
Oct-05-07 11:25 PM |
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They're looking for punishment. Duke already gave them enough money. |
BadgerLaw2010 |
Oct-10-07 06:49 AM |
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It would be interesting if some really able lawyer were to take up this case from the other side . . |
defendandprotect |
Oct-05-07 10:25 PM |
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"I don't think the charge ... |
mahatmakanejeeves |
Oct-06-07 01:14 AM |
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Then how come we all knew that there was no DNA evidence . . . ???? |
defendandprotect |
Oct-06-07 11:47 AM |
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11 Apr 06: ".. today .. Nifong acknowledged .. DNA tests failed to link any .. lacrosse team members |
struggle4progress |
Oct-06-07 02:43 PM |
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If you haven't figured it out by now, you probably never will. |
lizzy |
Oct-06-07 03:04 PM |
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An insult ... but not an answer. |
struggle4progress |
Oct-06-07 03:45 PM |
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Lab Director: Nifong Never Said to Withhold DNA Evidence |
struggle4progress |
Oct-06-07 03:53 PM |
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From the Fox site you have linked to: |
mahatmakanejeeves |
Oct-07-07 01:03 PM |
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I merely note the inconsistency: though the common description is "Nifong withheld evidence" |
struggle4progress |
Oct-07-07 10:41 PM |
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Thanks for the explanation. |
mahatmakanejeeves |
Oct-08-07 04:33 PM |
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he withheld evidence that DNA from 4 other males was found |
onenote |
Oct-08-07 01:57 PM |
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Then again, there are people who argue on this site that there was |
struggle4progress |
Oct-09-07 10:46 PM |
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you still don't get it -- Nifong withheld exculpatory evidence |
onenote |
Oct-09-07 11:13 PM |
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So this case has brought back the "OMG! She had sex with somebody!" rape defense? |
struggle4progress |
Oct-10-07 08:51 PM |
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No physical evidence against the *suspects*. |
BadgerLaw2010 |
Oct-10-07 06:46 AM |
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Such "evidence" is typically inadmissible |
struggle4progress |
Oct-10-07 09:02 PM |
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I hope you are not a criminal attorney |
onenote |
Oct-11-07 11:36 AM |
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Maybe we oughta postpone the law lecture til ya know the difference between Federal and local rules |
struggle4progress |
Oct-11-07 09:34 PM |
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You just keep digging yourself a deeper hole. |
onenote |
Oct-11-07 10:16 PM |
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No, there is no evidence for the "other side." |
yardwork |
Oct-06-07 04:15 PM |
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Link to pdf file of 162 pp complaint: |
struggle4progress |
Oct-06-07 12:46 AM |
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Sounds like another case of the privileged |
fortyfeetunder |
Oct-06-07 03:36 PM |
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No flames, I agree 100%. |
mbperrin |
Oct-06-07 03:39 PM |
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Underage drinking? |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Oct-07-07 12:09 AM |
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No sympathy? |
Bubba HoHoHo Tep |
Oct-06-07 04:16 PM |
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So if there is no remedy, they are ruined for life, then |
mbperrin |
Oct-06-07 06:47 PM |
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Nice argument. You could tell the same thing to someone |
lizzy |
Oct-07-07 01:09 PM |
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No, your example proves this legal point. |
mbperrin |
Oct-07-07 01:46 PM |
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Although I have not argued that the defendants can not be |
lizzy |
Oct-07-07 04:53 PM |
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No way, So because my buddy |
Pavulon |
Oct-06-07 04:18 PM |
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Actually, not legal to have strippers for persons of a certain age, |
mbperrin |
Oct-06-07 06:51 PM |
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Well, I've heard that living well is the best revenge. |
lizzy |
Oct-06-07 07:20 PM |
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living well |
ptolle |
Oct-06-07 11:09 PM |
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You lost me after "not having to worry about rent." |
lizzy |
Oct-07-07 12:25 AM |
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Living well is the best revenge? |
DuStrange |
Oct-06-07 11:21 PM |
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Living well and making the other people pay through the nose is the best revenge |
JVS |
Oct-07-07 06:41 PM |
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No, we cannot agree |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Oct-07-07 12:12 AM |
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I'll second that. |
superconnected |
Oct-08-07 06:53 PM |
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Only if you're rich |
Posteritatis |
Oct-06-07 10:36 PM |
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Privilege and resources doesn't give you the license... |
fortyfeetunder |
Oct-06-07 11:30 PM |
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Well I had no privilege.. |
Pavulon |
Oct-07-07 09:04 AM |
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Oh brother |
bluestateguy |
Oct-07-07 01:13 AM |
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No flames....and I will never forget.... |
justjones |
Oct-08-07 06:50 PM |
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They were responsible. It's the floosy that lied. n/t |
laureloak |
Oct-10-07 04:10 PM |
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More Class-Based Sentiments. Really Unfortunate. |
Paladin |
Oct-06-07 07:17 PM |
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The reforms sound nice but I think they're looking more for a payday |
martymar64 |
Oct-07-07 08:03 AM |
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Pure and Simple |
John Kerry VonErich |
Oct-07-07 08:20 AM |
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The victim(s) |
Pavulon |
Oct-07-07 09:06 AM |
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I am talking in general. |
John Kerry VonErich |
Oct-07-07 01:18 PM |
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Indeed we must be concerned with the victims in this case |
bluestateguy |
Oct-07-07 10:08 AM |
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True |
John Kerry VonErich |
Oct-07-07 01:20 PM |
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Yep, |
Tzimisce |
Oct-07-07 11:21 PM |
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Something nobody's pointed out yet that I've seen |
kgfnally |
Oct-08-07 04:37 PM |
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But I *AM* concerned about the Lacrosse players. |
kgfnally |
Oct-08-07 04:34 PM |
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Not putting blame on the players |
John Kerry VonErich |
Oct-08-07 05:20 PM |
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I'm just sorry the Duke academic lynching mob hasn't had their due |
policypunk |
Oct-08-07 04:43 PM |
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You seem a good sort...... |
MarkR1717 |
Oct-08-07 05:32 PM |
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the academic lynch mob hasn't had their due b/c they're largely a creation of right-wing bloggers |
fishwax |
Oct-08-07 05:54 PM |
#118 |
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"The Group of 88" had no reason to say anything, |
policypunk |
Oct-08-07 06:31 PM |
#119 |
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that they had no reason to say anything in an official capacity is irrelevant |
fishwax |
Oct-08-07 06:50 PM |
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Agreed. |
laureloak |
Oct-10-07 03:59 PM |
#135 |
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It would be interesting to find out how much they'd get. |
cat_girl25 |
Oct-10-07 11:08 PM |
#143 |
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