John Kerry VonErich
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Mon Oct-08-07 05:20 PM
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| 115. Not putting blame on the players |
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Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 05:22 PM by John Kerry VonErich
I was talking about the case only. The players are innocent, there is no doubt in that. And their lives will rebuild in time. And when I say victims, I meant the hundreds of rape victims throughout the country who is getting curbbed on this.
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| -Ex-Lacrosse Players File Sweeping Federal Lawsuit |
laureloak |
Oct-05-07 12:16 PM |
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maybe some good will come of this |
Enrique |
Oct-05-07 12:21 PM |
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Yep, looks like they want protect everyone from what they went through. |
Mike Daniels |
Oct-05-07 01:54 PM |
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I wish them the VERY best! |
Hepburn |
Oct-05-07 12:25 PM |
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I don't think they have a leg to stand on |
robcon |
Oct-05-07 12:36 PM |
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Nifong may well be shielded |
Lance_Boyle |
Oct-05-07 12:49 PM |
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Including the *crime* of |
Sadie4629 |
Oct-05-07 01:35 PM |
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if this were a case |
melm00se |
Oct-05-07 01:37 PM |
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if what they want is reform |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-05-07 12:45 PM |
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Lawsuits are just one of the ways to get redresses for grievances... |
Solon |
Oct-05-07 01:51 PM |
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Yes, they could write to their congressperson! |
FiveGoodMen |
Oct-05-07 05:40 PM |
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It's done a smashing job of ending the war! Oh wait, no it hasn't |
JVS |
Oct-06-07 07:02 PM |
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Governments and corporations don't just do things for you when you ask nicely |
bluestateguy |
Oct-05-07 08:55 PM |
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Armed insurrection for one, that may be a little over the |
pokercat999 |
Oct-06-07 04:39 PM |
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Make no mistake - the rich boys ARE after the money. As pointed out |
T Wolf |
Oct-05-07 01:06 PM |
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They were damaged for life by that attempt at railroading. |
laureloak |
Oct-05-07 01:22 PM |
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Duke kid's bonus: plum Wall St job (NY Post April 19, 2007) |
struggle4progress |
Oct-06-07 12:21 AM |
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Are you serious? Did you hear Evans speaking? |
laureloak |
Oct-10-07 04:04 PM |
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Damaged for life? |
alcibiades_mystery |
Oct-08-07 05:35 PM |
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Nobody? |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-10-07 12:44 AM |
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And jesse Jackson can exert influence on their lives how? |
alcibiades_mystery |
Oct-10-07 08:45 AM |
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Being silly? |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-10-07 04:47 PM |
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They were exonerated and applauded at twice the volume they were pilloried |
alcibiades_mystery |
Oct-10-07 07:55 PM |
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How about miscarriage of justice and abuse of the system? |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-11-07 05:25 PM |
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Agreed on every point, but that's a different point |
alcibiades_mystery |
Oct-11-07 05:39 PM |
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No it isn't a non sequitor |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-11-07 06:22 PM |
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There was no trial |
alcibiades_mystery |
Oct-12-07 02:04 PM |
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Agreed |
Mad_Dem_X |
Oct-10-07 08:51 AM |
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That's the most racist thing I've heard all day. |
Bleachers7 |
Oct-10-07 03:05 PM |
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They don't live in that state |
Bleachers7 |
Oct-05-07 01:46 PM |
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"Damaged for life"??? |
dogfacedboy |
Oct-07-07 06:57 AM |
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Do a google search on these guys |
Bleachers7 |
Oct-07-07 09:23 AM |
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All they have to do is have |
dogfacedboy |
Oct-08-07 10:18 AM |
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It included "drunken frat boys and a stripper" SO WHAT? |
JeanGrey |
Oct-08-07 12:43 PM |
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Agreed |
puffymuffins |
Oct-08-07 12:51 PM |
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Yes. The point I was making exactly. I think the lawsuit is a good |
JeanGrey |
Oct-08-07 12:54 PM |
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Actually they can |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-10-07 12:45 AM |
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What is your evidence that all of them are rich? |
CreekDog |
Oct-05-07 11:41 PM |
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I agree. They just want the bucks...if not, they'd use other means to seek |
Triana |
Oct-06-07 10:19 PM |
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I'm just sorry their suit doesn't include |
Sadie4629 |
Oct-05-07 01:36 PM |
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They have settled with Duke, and that settlement presumably |
lizzy |
Oct-05-07 07:19 PM |
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Where DO people come up with fictions like yours? |
struggle4progress |
Oct-05-07 08:57 PM |
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the 88 professors did no such thing n/t |
fishwax |
Oct-05-07 11:28 PM |
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Do you have evidence for that assertion? |
yardwork |
Oct-06-07 04:07 PM |
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Here's one ..."must come in the form of immediate dismissals"... |
SimpleTrend |
Oct-06-07 06:07 PM |
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of course, that's not from the group of 88 |
fishwax |
Oct-06-07 09:03 PM |
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That's a letter from Houston Baker only - he's no longer at Duke. |
yardwork |
Oct-07-07 11:19 AM |
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The general public can't really verify that, can we? |
SimpleTrend |
Oct-07-07 04:02 PM |
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If the original ad from the group of 88 faculty was so outrageous |
yardwork |
Oct-07-07 04:32 PM |
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Here is the link you are requesting |
toopers |
Oct-10-07 02:10 PM |
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A nasty rightwing hit piece from a rightwing site -- and without the requested ad text |
struggle4progress |
Oct-10-07 09:00 PM |
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I just delivered what Yardwork asked for . . . |
toopers |
Oct-11-07 06:49 AM |
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what did yardwork ask for that your link delivers? |
fishwax |
Oct-11-07 01:38 PM |
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that's a right-wing rant from a right-wing site |
fishwax |
Oct-10-07 11:27 PM |
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Each of them should get at least $10 million after taxes |
Bleachers7 |
Oct-05-07 01:44 PM |
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Really? |
fortyfeetunder |
Oct-06-07 03:28 PM |
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Really |
Bleachers7 |
Oct-07-07 09:24 AM |
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100m after taxes should be more like. |
ileus |
Oct-07-07 11:42 AM |
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Ironic, indeed |
Zandor |
Oct-05-07 01:46 PM |
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Why are some of you saying they are damaged for life??? |
justjones |
Oct-05-07 02:32 PM |
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Remember what Ray Donovan said after he and his co-defendants were acquitted of all charges? |
slackmaster |
Oct-05-07 05:05 PM |
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That still doesn't equate to being damaged for life. |
justjones |
Oct-05-07 05:52 PM |
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My personal answer to you is that any unjust accusation |
SimpleTrend |
Oct-05-07 06:15 PM |
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Uh, one of them seems already to have landed a job with six-figure salary |
struggle4progress |
Oct-06-07 12:24 AM |
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Sure, after he lost another similar job he had lined up before all this. |
mainegreen |
Oct-10-07 09:31 AM |
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Sure it does |
slackmaster |
Oct-05-07 06:37 PM |
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Hah? What do you mean they were not charged. |
lizzy |
Oct-05-07 07:21 PM |
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"... they ultimately were not charged with anything...." |
mahatmakanejeeves |
Oct-06-07 12:52 AM |
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In this particular case I think that the lacrosse players have had their reputations burnished! |
yardwork |
Oct-06-07 04:11 PM |
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Well, you've just listed all the things you would never have heard |
lizzy |
Oct-06-07 04:34 PM |
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Wrong. I knew all this before the accusations surfaced, because I'm a Duke alum |
yardwork |
Oct-06-07 05:16 PM |
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Maybe you knew, but most people didn't. |
lizzy |
Oct-06-07 05:26 PM |
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You Seem to Be Saying |
Crisco |
Oct-06-07 05:40 PM |
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No, I am saying they have suffered a loss of privacy, for one thing. |
lizzy |
Oct-06-07 06:26 PM |
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You're arguing with someone who had never heard of lacrosse before this case. |
yardwork |
Oct-07-07 11:15 AM |
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Hah? Are we discussing the game itself here? |
lizzy |
Oct-07-07 11:13 PM |
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I hope you are right - it's largely up to them, how they behave |
slackmaster |
Oct-07-07 09:33 AM |
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You still think they are scum |
AngryAmish |
Oct-07-07 11:26 AM |
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You're not a very effective mind-reader. |
yardwork |
Oct-07-07 08:13 PM |
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Richard Jewell was not convicted of anything either. |
lizzy |
Oct-05-07 07:20 PM |
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By that logic Richard Jewell was not damaged for life |
bluestateguy |
Oct-05-07 08:53 PM |
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Jewell was the person who popped into my mind too when I read the post above... |
SayWhatYo |
Oct-05-07 11:55 PM |
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Richard Jewell |
AngryAmish |
Oct-07-07 11:24 AM |
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Because.... |
lancer78 |
Oct-10-07 01:05 AM |
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Regardless of their background or wealth... |
Scooter24 |
Oct-05-07 02:52 PM |
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Yep, get lots of money we are ultimately paying for |
Sukie1941 |
Oct-05-07 05:02 PM |
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Will they now require.... |
PassingFair |
Oct-05-07 06:06 PM |
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While I can see some |
cstanleytech |
Oct-05-07 06:47 PM |
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Oh give me a break. In US, people sue on a drop of dime, |
lizzy |
Oct-05-07 07:24 PM |
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I never said they did not deserve some |
cstanleytech |
Oct-05-07 10:42 PM |
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They asked for a settlement of 10 millions each, and that obviously |
lizzy |
Oct-05-07 11:25 PM |
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They're looking for punishment. Duke already gave them enough money. |
BadgerLaw2010 |
Oct-10-07 06:49 AM |
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It would be interesting if some really able lawyer were to take up this case from the other side . . |
defendandprotect |
Oct-05-07 10:25 PM |
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"I don't think the charge ... |
mahatmakanejeeves |
Oct-06-07 01:14 AM |
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Then how come we all knew that there was no DNA evidence . . . ???? |
defendandprotect |
Oct-06-07 11:47 AM |
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11 Apr 06: ".. today .. Nifong acknowledged .. DNA tests failed to link any .. lacrosse team members |
struggle4progress |
Oct-06-07 02:43 PM |
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If you haven't figured it out by now, you probably never will. |
lizzy |
Oct-06-07 03:04 PM |
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An insult ... but not an answer. |
struggle4progress |
Oct-06-07 03:45 PM |
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Lab Director: Nifong Never Said to Withhold DNA Evidence |
struggle4progress |
Oct-06-07 03:53 PM |
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From the Fox site you have linked to: |
mahatmakanejeeves |
Oct-07-07 01:03 PM |
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I merely note the inconsistency: though the common description is "Nifong withheld evidence" |
struggle4progress |
Oct-07-07 10:41 PM |
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Thanks for the explanation. |
mahatmakanejeeves |
Oct-08-07 04:33 PM |
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he withheld evidence that DNA from 4 other males was found |
onenote |
Oct-08-07 01:57 PM |
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Then again, there are people who argue on this site that there was |
struggle4progress |
Oct-09-07 10:46 PM |
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you still don't get it -- Nifong withheld exculpatory evidence |
onenote |
Oct-09-07 11:13 PM |
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So this case has brought back the "OMG! She had sex with somebody!" rape defense? |
struggle4progress |
Oct-10-07 08:51 PM |
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No physical evidence against the *suspects*. |
BadgerLaw2010 |
Oct-10-07 06:46 AM |
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Such "evidence" is typically inadmissible |
struggle4progress |
Oct-10-07 09:02 PM |
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I hope you are not a criminal attorney |
onenote |
Oct-11-07 11:36 AM |
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Maybe we oughta postpone the law lecture til ya know the difference between Federal and local rules |
struggle4progress |
Oct-11-07 09:34 PM |
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You just keep digging yourself a deeper hole. |
onenote |
Oct-11-07 10:16 PM |
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No, there is no evidence for the "other side." |
yardwork |
Oct-06-07 04:15 PM |
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Link to pdf file of 162 pp complaint: |
struggle4progress |
Oct-06-07 12:46 AM |
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Sounds like another case of the privileged |
fortyfeetunder |
Oct-06-07 03:36 PM |
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No flames, I agree 100%. |
mbperrin |
Oct-06-07 03:39 PM |
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Underage drinking? |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Oct-07-07 12:09 AM |
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No sympathy? |
Bubba HoHoHo Tep |
Oct-06-07 04:16 PM |
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So if there is no remedy, they are ruined for life, then |
mbperrin |
Oct-06-07 06:47 PM |
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Nice argument. You could tell the same thing to someone |
lizzy |
Oct-07-07 01:09 PM |
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No, your example proves this legal point. |
mbperrin |
Oct-07-07 01:46 PM |
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Although I have not argued that the defendants can not be |
lizzy |
Oct-07-07 04:53 PM |
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No way, So because my buddy |
Pavulon |
Oct-06-07 04:18 PM |
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Actually, not legal to have strippers for persons of a certain age, |
mbperrin |
Oct-06-07 06:51 PM |
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Well, I've heard that living well is the best revenge. |
lizzy |
Oct-06-07 07:20 PM |
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living well |
ptolle |
Oct-06-07 11:09 PM |
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You lost me after "not having to worry about rent." |
lizzy |
Oct-07-07 12:25 AM |
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Living well is the best revenge? |
DuStrange |
Oct-06-07 11:21 PM |
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Living well and making the other people pay through the nose is the best revenge |
JVS |
Oct-07-07 06:41 PM |
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No, we cannot agree |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Oct-07-07 12:12 AM |
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I'll second that. |
superconnected |
Oct-08-07 06:53 PM |
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Only if you're rich |
Posteritatis |
Oct-06-07 10:36 PM |
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Privilege and resources doesn't give you the license... |
fortyfeetunder |
Oct-06-07 11:30 PM |
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Well I had no privilege.. |
Pavulon |
Oct-07-07 09:04 AM |
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Oh brother |
bluestateguy |
Oct-07-07 01:13 AM |
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No flames....and I will never forget.... |
justjones |
Oct-08-07 06:50 PM |
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They were responsible. It's the floosy that lied. n/t |
laureloak |
Oct-10-07 04:10 PM |
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More Class-Based Sentiments. Really Unfortunate. |
Paladin |
Oct-06-07 07:17 PM |
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The reforms sound nice but I think they're looking more for a payday |
martymar64 |
Oct-07-07 08:03 AM |
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Pure and Simple |
John Kerry VonErich |
Oct-07-07 08:20 AM |
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The victim(s) |
Pavulon |
Oct-07-07 09:06 AM |
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I am talking in general. |
John Kerry VonErich |
Oct-07-07 01:18 PM |
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Indeed we must be concerned with the victims in this case |
bluestateguy |
Oct-07-07 10:08 AM |
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True |
John Kerry VonErich |
Oct-07-07 01:20 PM |
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Yep, |
Tzimisce |
Oct-07-07 11:21 PM |
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Something nobody's pointed out yet that I've seen |
kgfnally |
Oct-08-07 04:37 PM |
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But I *AM* concerned about the Lacrosse players. |
kgfnally |
Oct-08-07 04:34 PM |
#112 |
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Not putting blame on the players |
John Kerry VonErich |
Oct-08-07 05:20 PM |
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I'm just sorry the Duke academic lynching mob hasn't had their due |
policypunk |
Oct-08-07 04:43 PM |
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You seem a good sort...... |
MarkR1717 |
Oct-08-07 05:32 PM |
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the academic lynch mob hasn't had their due b/c they're largely a creation of right-wing bloggers |
fishwax |
Oct-08-07 05:54 PM |
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"The Group of 88" had no reason to say anything, |
policypunk |
Oct-08-07 06:31 PM |
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that they had no reason to say anything in an official capacity is irrelevant |
fishwax |
Oct-08-07 06:50 PM |
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Agreed. |
laureloak |
Oct-10-07 03:59 PM |
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It would be interesting to find out how much they'd get. |
cat_girl25 |
Oct-10-07 11:08 PM |
#143 |
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