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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:44 AM
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80. Since they didn't define chokeing, i'll give you this.
I've seen 2 people that were able to contort themselves enough to slip their cuffs from behind their back to in front of them. Both managed to get the cuffs down their back and around their feet. The only problem with this is if you get hung up, say on your shoes, you can actually lock yourself in a position that puts incredible restriction on your breathing, if not completely disabling your ability to breath. Not sure if thats the case here, since theres no details.
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  -Family Mourns Woman Who Died at Airport Hissyspit  Sep-30-07 07:22 PM   #0 
  - She does not look like a wild and crazy lady.  BrklynLiberal   Sep-30-07 07:24 PM   #1 
  - not that they compare in any way,  ccpup   Sep-30-07 07:37 PM   #4 
  - There 's a super successful asshole like that who lives across the street  barb162   Oct-01-07 11:56 PM   #94 
  - you think she (a) always acted that way and (b) posed for pictures when she was?  onenote   Sep-30-07 08:11 PM   #23 
  - maybe it was not suicide as they suggest but....  Born Free   Oct-01-07 04:39 AM   #70 
  - Something is missing from this story.  MissMarple   Sep-30-07 07:32 PM   #2 
  - This story stinks! If they handcuffed her with her hands behind her  snappyturtle   Sep-30-07 07:41 PM   #6 
  - The public arena seems to be getting more authoritarian. nt  terisan   Sep-30-07 07:56 PM   #16 
  - I agree and I can't help but wonder what the motivation is behind  snappyturtle   Sep-30-07 08:11 PM   #21 
     - You would get the same response  Pavulon   Sep-30-07 08:20 PM   #28 
        - You can, anyone can. It is how one is treated by those in authority that is the issue. nt  terisan   Sep-30-07 08:27 PM   #30 
           - She needed to think  Pavulon   Sep-30-07 08:31 PM   #32 
           - How do you know she was not mentally ill, having a medication reaction?  terisan   Sep-30-07 08:42 PM   #35 
           - I'm tired of your shit  ProudDad   Oct-01-07 11:16 PM   #89 
           - You are correct! nm  8643   Oct-01-07 08:19 AM   #78 
  - Your avatar says how I feel right now. All of these stories stink and they are coming  LeviathanCrumbling   Sep-30-07 10:26 PM   #51 
  - agreed, there is something missing from this story....  mike_c   Oct-01-07 10:28 AM   #85 
  - Me either...  sendero   Oct-01-07 06:32 AM   #75 
  - I agree. Maybe she became a real wild woman over missing that flight?  barb162   Oct-02-07 12:00 AM   #95 
  - If there was wrong-doing I think the NYC Public Advocate will find it out.  terisan   Sep-30-07 07:35 PM   #3 
  - You must be joking  maseman   Sep-30-07 07:48 PM   #10 
     - My flights are few and far between  Sukie1941   Sep-30-07 08:09 PM   #20 
     - Travel  maseman   Sep-30-07 10:10 PM   #47 
        - Thank ray-gun for the genisis of that  ProudDad   Oct-01-07 11:24 PM   #91 
     - joking?  shelster   Sep-30-07 10:24 PM   #50 
     - Exactly....how can anyone say the hell with her because she  Feeney2   Oct-01-07 08:23 AM   #79 
     - My last one was not anything like that  Mojorabbit   Sep-30-07 11:11 PM   #61 
  - Hmmmmm.  liberalmuse   Sep-30-07 07:39 PM   #5 
  - I suspect she had an unknown underlying medical problem.  Ilsa   Sep-30-07 07:42 PM   #7 
  - Which might have caused the anger, but the "strangling"?  aquart   Sep-30-07 10:52 PM   #59 
  - This one smells funny to me. Its horrible, however it happened.  wlucinda   Sep-30-07 07:42 PM   #8 
  - I remember an incident once  Evergreen Emerald   Sep-30-07 07:43 PM   #9 
  - got a link to that incident? sounds urban-legendish to me.  ret5hd   Sep-30-07 07:51 PM   #11 
  - It was legitimately reported but... between us, I'm waiting for the autopsy.  Kagemusha   Sep-30-07 07:56 PM   #15 
  - Are you suggesting that they killed her and then are pretending that  Evergreen Emerald   Sep-30-07 08:00 PM   #17 
  - Are you suggesting that cops don't kill people in jails?  ret5hd   Sep-30-07 09:28 PM   #43 
  - Since they didn't define chokeing, i'll give you this.  TX-RAT   Oct-01-07 08:44 AM   #80 
     - That was my thought too.  KurtNYC   Oct-01-07 10:21 AM   #84 
        - Oh, brother.  KayLaw   Oct-01-07 10:41 AM   #86 
  - Did that happen in Bothell, by any chance?  Suich   Sep-30-07 07:53 PM   #12 
  - not that one, but I remember it too.  Evergreen Emerald   Sep-30-07 08:04 PM   #19 
     - Small world, huh?  Suich   Sep-30-07 08:25 PM   #29 
  - How about an ambulance? How about a Traveler's Aid Counselor?  terisan   Sep-30-07 07:55 PM   #14 
  - We are all making assumptions about what her intent was after the fact.  Evergreen Emerald   Sep-30-07 08:03 PM   #18 
     - I expect a level of service that does not simply handcuff and isolate a screaming person. She is as  terisan   Sep-30-07 08:15 PM   #25 
     - you don't fly much do you, people run in airports to their gate ALL THE TIME  pitohui   Sep-30-07 09:04 PM   #39 
  - i see people running to their gate every day actually  pitohui   Sep-30-07 09:02 PM   #38 
     - Shades of OJ Simpson!!!  Bobbieo   Sep-30-07 09:20 PM   #42 
  - granted ...  LaStrega   Sep-30-07 07:53 PM   #13 
  - So do I.  NYC   Sep-30-07 09:00 PM   #37 
  - Interesting article in NY Times on animal empathy ---helping vs. hurting  terisan   Sep-30-07 08:11 PM   #22 
  - they only checked on her when she stopped screaming!  leftchick   Sep-30-07 08:14 PM   #24 
  - Your outrage is justified. The inhumanity of this woman's death sickens me. nt  terisan   Sep-30-07 08:18 PM   #26 
  - Visit your local drunk tank  Pavulon   Sep-30-07 08:19 PM   #27 
     - Is there any evidence she was drunk? We have the capability of handling these issues  terisan   Sep-30-07 08:31 PM   #31 
     - No reason to believe  Pavulon   Sep-30-07 08:33 PM   #33 
     - exactly  ccpup   Sep-30-07 08:39 PM   #34 
        - You are making a lot of assumptions. What if she were schizophrenic and meds stopped working?  terisan   Sep-30-07 08:52 PM   #36 
           - or diabetic  pitohui   Sep-30-07 09:10 PM   #40 
              - There is no right  Pavulon   Sep-30-07 09:15 PM   #41 
                 - Perhaps not, but it isn't a death penalty type action. Explain how one chokes onself  1monster   Sep-30-07 09:40 PM   #44 
                 - Re deliberately.  NYC   Sep-30-07 09:58 PM   #46 
                 - Actually people have been cuffed and/or arrested and been guilty of nothing. Arrest not =guilt.  terisan   Sep-30-07 10:32 PM   #55 
  - most police are authoritarian fascists....  scarface2004   Sep-30-07 09:41 PM   #45 
  - Speak for your own cops.  aquart   Sep-30-07 10:43 PM   #58 
     - If you mean New York City  ProudDad   Oct-01-07 11:31 PM   #92 
  - This is very fishy  fujiyama   Sep-30-07 10:11 PM   #48 
  - I agree, very fishy  shelster   Sep-30-07 10:19 PM   #49 
  - I agree...my intuition tells me that something is missing here and she didn't just happen to die  Pachamama   Oct-01-07 10:43 AM   #87 
  - CSI: Las Vegas had an episode that sort of echoed this except it happened inflight...  DRoseDARs   Sep-30-07 10:28 PM   #52 
  - Some of the reactions on this thread bother me (as do the responses to the  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-30-07 10:28 PM   #53 
  - Adamnmen!  lonestarnot   Sep-30-07 10:35 PM   #57 
  - i'm glad i'm not the only one  Naythan   Sep-30-07 11:12 PM   #62 
  - Handclasp.  MissMarple   Oct-01-07 12:20 AM   #66 
  - Authoritarians believe the police can do no wrong...  Solon   Oct-01-07 04:26 AM   #69 
  - Thank you. . . . n/t  annabanana   Oct-01-07 05:57 AM   #72 
  - Thank You  atreides1   Oct-01-07 07:55 AM   #77 
  - Amen  ProudDad   Oct-01-07 11:33 PM   #93 
  - time span  Savannah_H   Sep-30-07 10:32 PM   #54 
  - Oops. They didn't know she had VIP connections.  aquart   Sep-30-07 10:32 PM   #56 
  - Ok.  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Sep-30-07 11:11 PM   #60 
  - Good point!  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-30-07 11:15 PM   #63 
  - Been Wondering The Same Thing  lligrd   Oct-01-07 03:35 AM   #68 
  - Re: Feeling lost.  Hissyspit   Oct-01-07 06:09 AM   #73 
  - I know.......  sendero   Oct-01-07 06:41 AM   #76 
  - In a Yahoo news report they said it was Phoenix PD that handled it  sasquatch   Oct-01-07 10:35 PM   #88 
  - Maybe I'll get flamed for this, but I doubt the cops killed her.  cigsandcoffee   Sep-30-07 11:20 PM   #64 
  - The cover story is implausible  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-01-07 12:23 AM   #67 
  - How?  KayLaw   Oct-01-07 09:00 AM   #81 
  - NY Daily News Article  terisan   Sep-30-07 11:22 PM   #65 
  - Soon we'll hear about Post mortem finger bruises on neck....nt  LeftHander   Oct-01-07 05:38 AM   #71 
  - She probably had a panic attack being locked up with handcuffs on.  Vinca   Oct-01-07 06:17 AM   #74 
  - Strangled herself trying to get out of handcuffs... hmmm....  Jed Dilligan   Oct-01-07 09:13 AM   #82 
  - She was killed.  Taverner   Oct-01-07 10:20 AM   #83 
  - I used to love to fly  ProudDad   Oct-01-07 11:22 PM   #90 
  - Restraint Asphyxia - Hobbled and laying on stomach...  LeftHander   Oct-02-07 07:36 AM   #96 
 

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