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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 10:25 PM
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  -Edwards Blasts Obama Lobbyist Plan as 'Fantasy' Omaha Steve  Aug-17-07 02:01 PM   #0 
  - Obama really should shut the hell up.  youngdem   Aug-17-07 02:05 PM   #1 
  - On this issue, I'm surprised Obama doesn't know how seriously bad  The Backlash Cometh   Aug-17-07 03:50 PM   #24 
  - Yup.  youngdem   Aug-17-07 05:06 PM   #36 
  - Obama's Lack of experience appears to be showing on this one.  sarcasmo   Aug-18-07 02:18 PM   #76 
  - But the corporate media will twist it so he sounds like a friggin genius  McCamy Taylor   Aug-17-07 11:18 PM   #73 
  - And right he is! Edwards is "bringing it" He can win this thing.  saracat   Aug-17-07 02:06 PM   #2 
  - Edwards is defining the Democratic Party - that Centrists have blurred for decades!  zazzle   Aug-17-07 03:06 PM   #17 
  - How soon we forget  Pastiche423   Aug-18-07 02:30 PM   #77 
  - I agree!  bettync   Aug-17-07 03:51 PM   #25 
  - Edwards : Looking good in 08  FreakinDJ   Aug-17-07 02:07 PM   #3 
  - I with you on this. He is the one we should jump behind.  deacon   Aug-17-07 07:05 PM   #59 
  - What, people shouldn't lobby the government?  David__77   Aug-17-07 02:17 PM   #4 
  - People should lobby the government. Parasitic Corrupt Corporations should NOT.  Vincardog   Aug-17-07 02:21 PM   #5 
  - I'm not disagreeing.  David__77   Aug-17-07 02:26 PM   #7 
     - That was the same point Hillary made at the YouTube forum...  loudsue   Aug-17-07 03:19 PM   #20 
     - Hardly.She said Lobbyists were people too.They are not.  saracat   Aug-17-07 03:22 PM   #21 
     - You don't know what you're talking about.  MGKrebs   Aug-17-07 07:42 PM   #63 
        - your argument is lucid, but it ignores the central fact  venable   Aug-17-07 08:40 PM   #66 
        - If the problem is "capitalism" or "corporations" or whatever, then let's say that.  MGKrebs   Aug-17-07 09:16 PM   #68 
        - Unless you target the major, greedy, commonweath-corrupting lobbies  venable   Aug-17-07 10:14 PM   #69 
        - Edwards trusted them enough to work for a Hedge Fund  karynnj   Aug-20-07 10:08 AM   #91 
        - Exactly.  MadAnne   Aug-18-07 03:38 PM   #79 
     - No it wasn't  karynnj   Aug-20-07 10:02 AM   #90 
     - DAvid is against Lobbyists. Not citizens lobbying "lobbyist" implies paid operative.  Vincardog   Aug-17-07 03:29 PM   #23 
        - Well then, DAvid  MadAnne   Aug-18-07 03:43 PM   #80 
  - Lobbying as speech isn't the problem; lobbying as bribery is.  donkeyotay   Aug-17-07 02:28 PM   #8 
  - I have no idea...  David__77   Aug-17-07 02:32 PM   #9 
  - This is precisely right. If campaigns were funded by public financing, we'd not need ANY bribes...  calipendence   Aug-18-07 09:05 AM   #75 
  - Why do you think that is what Obama means?  karynnj   Aug-20-07 10:11 AM   #92 
  - Correct! Edwards has misinterpreted the problem!  calteacherguy   Aug-17-07 05:49 PM   #47 
  - Defending lobbyists now, are we? Too funny! n/t  Inspired   Aug-17-07 07:46 PM   #64 
  - well this isnt 1802 anymore  LSK   Aug-17-07 10:53 PM   #71 
  - and politicians who accept what are really bribes - legal or otherwise form lobbyists  karynnj   Aug-20-07 09:53 AM   #89 
  - I'd like to see the new president refuse to meet with any lobbyists  bluestateguy   Aug-17-07 02:25 PM   #6 
  - What I find annoying about these stories is how they are framed.  potone   Aug-17-07 02:32 PM   #10 
  - I think you answered your own question there. n/t  redqueen   Aug-17-07 03:07 PM   #18 
  - true! the hyperbole seems dedicated to just causing controversy  themartyred   Aug-17-07 04:10 PM   #29 
  - Corporations are too powerful now to regulate.  ryanmuegge   Aug-17-07 02:37 PM   #11 
  - Maybe  texastoast   Aug-17-07 04:38 PM   #32 
  - No doubt. And I hear a lot of "let's just live with it" talk from some of the other Democrats.  ryanmuegge   Aug-17-07 06:51 PM   #58 
  - Not if we get someone in the WH who will fight hard and play rough  knight_of_the_star   Aug-17-07 05:11 PM   #37 
  - Corporations are too powerful now to regulate.  ryanmuegge   Aug-17-07 02:37 PM   #12 
  - K&R!!  waiting for hope   Aug-17-07 02:46 PM   #13 
  - To hell with seats at a table where IMPEACHMENT and prosecution  bobthedrummer   Aug-17-07 02:46 PM   #14 
  - Obama will give lobbyists a seat at the table?  ultraist   Aug-17-07 02:51 PM   #15 
  - Not at all. There's a difference between taking money and listening to a point of view. nt  calteacherguy   Aug-17-07 05:44 PM   #46 
  - He is really driving home the differences between them. Obama wants to expose lobbyist donations  jsamuel   Aug-17-07 03:06 PM   #16 
  - Good point!  zazzle   Aug-17-07 03:08 PM   #19 
  - What's needed is a rule against lobbyists' gifts and donations, and transparency in the government's  JudyM   Aug-17-07 03:26 PM   #22 
     - Best post of the thread!  calteacherguy   Aug-17-07 06:11 PM   #52 
     - Well, thanks, Calteacherguy! It just seems so obvious, doesn't it....  JudyM   Aug-17-07 11:14 PM   #72 
     - We will need a way remove money from influencing elections  nolabels   Aug-18-07 08:46 AM   #74 
     - Yes, let's end the mass delusion. Corporations give money because...  donkeyotay   Aug-18-07 05:05 PM   #82 
        - Exactly! Legalized bribery. Or the pink elephant in the room. n/t  JudyM   Aug-19-07 01:25 AM   #83 
  - Edwards on Lobbyists in 2004:  citizen53   Aug-17-07 03:58 PM   #26 
  - Thanks for that great information!  jsamuel   Aug-17-07 04:09 PM   #28 
  - Welcome to the DU!  benny05   Aug-17-07 04:33 PM   #30 
  - Thanks for the greeting...  citizen53   Aug-17-07 05:18 PM   #39 
  - Welcome to DU!  Yael   Aug-17-07 07:33 PM   #61 
  - Kind of like criticizing Vince Lombardi for not winning any Super Bowls  ih8thegop   Aug-17-07 04:07 PM   #27 
  - I have to agree with Edwards here. Also, Fred Thompson was a 20 year lobbyist.  David Zephyr   Aug-17-07 04:35 PM   #31 
  - Hang on here, folks...  Darth_Ole   Aug-17-07 04:41 PM   #34 
     - Here's what I found...  jaybeat   Aug-17-07 05:20 PM   #40 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-17-07 04:38 PM   #33 
  - Exactly.  huskerlaw   Aug-17-07 04:57 PM   #35 
  - I'm starting to like him more and more  knight_of_the_star   Aug-17-07 05:18 PM   #38 
  - This is the first time I've disagreed with Obama  Cant trust em   Aug-17-07 05:24 PM   #41 
  - Obama is right, and Edwards is being silly.  calteacherguy   Aug-17-07 05:26 PM   #42 
  - Tell that to swing-voters who have nothing but negative perceptions of ANY "lobbyists."  Dr Fate   Aug-17-07 05:35 PM   #44 
  - Excluding an entire group of people from having a voice is not leadership.  calteacherguy   Aug-17-07 05:38 PM   #45 
     - Scapegoating lobbyists can make a candidate appealing enough to win a leadership position.  Dr Fate   Aug-17-07 05:50 PM   #48 
        - You are denying the nature of Democracy.  calteacherguy   Aug-17-07 05:55 PM   #49 
           - The nature of a Democracy I want has nothing to do with back-slappers with big check-books.  Dr Fate   Aug-17-07 06:03 PM   #50 
              - If you read my post you would see that I agree with you on the big check-books. nt  calteacherguy   Aug-17-07 06:06 PM   #51 
                 - It's not me you need to convince. It's the swing voters and apolitical, regular joes.  Dr Fate   Aug-17-07 06:14 PM   #53 
                    - I like your solution.  calteacherguy   Aug-17-07 06:16 PM   #54 
                       - Edwards is responding to an opponent in a political contest.  Dr Fate   Aug-17-07 06:23 PM   #55 
  - Nice to know that Obama wants to give all the marginalized corporate lobbyists a "seat at the table"  brentspeak   Aug-17-07 06:23 PM   #56 
  - This is why Obama's (& Hillary's?)position is a mistake- it is very easy to frame it that way. n/t  Dr Fate   Aug-17-07 06:25 PM   #57 
  - oh come on. If you think Edwards is talking about NOW, then you are just making stuff up  venable   Aug-17-07 08:43 PM   #67 
  - I'm liking Edwards more and more everyday  goodhue   Aug-17-07 05:31 PM   #43 
  - It's official. I am now backing Edwards.  deacon   Aug-17-07 07:06 PM   #60 
  - Welcome aboard!  jsamuel   Aug-17-07 10:25 PM   #70 
  - There is no question that he is our best [ONLY!] chance  Yael   Aug-17-07 07:34 PM   #62 
  - Edwards, Obama and so on..  Darrell Davis   Aug-17-07 07:54 PM   #65 
  - R&K for John Edwards!  Nutmegger   Aug-18-07 02:52 PM   #78 
  - You all are confusing contributions with lobbists. n/t  MadAnne   Aug-18-07 03:50 PM   #81 
  - Corporations lobby individually and thru industry groups and they donate through their "PACs" -  JudyM   Aug-19-07 01:29 AM   #84 
     - I'm not sure I understand what you're saying  MadAnne   Aug-19-07 11:44 AM   #85 
        - Agreed, but lobbyists (corporate and non-corp) can continue to make donations, same difference. n/t  JudyM   Aug-19-07 03:06 PM   #86 
           - Campaign finance reform  MadAnne   Aug-19-07 10:34 PM   #87 
  - There's a difference between  darboy   Aug-20-07 08:37 AM   #88 

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