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224. Actually I never said Calderon wearing a uniform was bad
Edited on Wed Jun-27-07 07:44 PM by pschoeb
The rest of his actual policies might be, but since it is the traditional military rank of the Mexican President, I really don't care, though I certainly wish there was more reporting on his policies of using the military as police. I also don't care that Clinton did it either, or any other Presidents. You seem to be the one that thinks it would be bad for Washington if he had worn his uniform on independence day, but good that he did during the Whiskey protest, I'm fine with both, though I think his actual policies during the Whiskey protest were very poor. Because it's not actually wearing a uniform that makes one militaristic. I certainly find Chavez much less militaristic than Washington's actions during the Whiskey protest, and considering that Chavez actually had a military coup against him(and yet didn't imprison anyone), with some tangible evidence of American support, and later threats of assassinations by Republicans in the Media, plus a clear media propaganda effort to distort facts, as the OP AP story clearly shows, he definitely should be concerned about letting the military know that they serve a democratically elected President, and not the whims of oligarchs.

This whole discussion is so laughable though, considering the whole of US history, especially in the last fifty odd years, yet you seem only concerned with Bush. Do you consider the last 50 years as the US being overtly militaristic? if not, then I'm fairly certain no country could really qualify.

What policies of Chavez are overtly and egregiously militaristic?
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  - How is a socialist fatherland "fascistic?"  David__77   Jun-25-07 02:54 AM   #2 
  - The closer you come to either extreme, the more the extremes become one another.  Dark   Jun-25-07 03:13 AM   #4 
  - I couldn't have said it better myself....  WCGreen   Jun-25-07 04:01 AM   #5 
  - Indeed, I think many of us had the same opinion of him, but I knew it wasn't going to end well...  originalpckelly   Jun-25-07 09:44 AM   #21 
     - You "knew it wasn't going to end well"? "It" has "ended," has it?  Peace Patriot   Jun-25-07 11:09 AM   #28 
     - Bravo!....n/t  unkachuck   Jun-25-07 08:59 PM   #168 
     - So it doesn't matter that he's now democratically elected and the  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 12:54 PM   #31 
     - I'm sorry, I forgot he went through the putsch reform program, he's a changed man.  originalpckelly   Jun-25-07 02:23 PM   #62 
     - Let's have a look at that source you "looked up" on the coup attempt.  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 09:05 PM   #169 
  - Exactly. It's not a straight line, but a circle.  melody   Jun-25-07 05:45 AM   #11 
  - In Chavez's case, there really is "someone out there big and bad" who wants to get him.  leveymg   Jun-25-07 06:53 AM   #13 
  - John Perkins (Economic Hitman) speculates that we'd already be  sfexpat2000   Jun-25-07 01:08 PM   #34 
     - I agree with John about that.  leveymg   Jun-26-07 06:40 AM   #187 
  - And what is your opinion of Ghandi?  Toots   Jun-25-07 06:39 PM   #161 
  - Um ... wasn't Ghandi assassinated?  Dark   Jun-25-07 09:18 PM   #170 
  - Even when there actually is someone out there big and bad who wants to get you?  eridani   Jun-25-07 10:09 PM   #171 
  - "A left jack boot up your ass feels no better than a right jack boot up your ass"  slackmaster   Jun-29-07 03:17 AM   #234 
  - Yeah, I'm sorry, but this guy is starting to act like a nationalist.  originalpckelly   Jun-25-07 09:37 AM   #20 
  - Exactly. Why can't he just be a corporate globalist? You know, the way  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 01:00 PM   #32 
  - Have you ever considered that just maybe it's possible to not like Chavez...  originalpckelly   Jun-25-07 02:24 PM   #64 
     - It's not that you don't like Chavez.  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 02:59 PM   #81 
  - Duh!!! (n/t)  ProudDad   Jun-25-07 02:12 PM   #57 
  - Is he nuttier than Uribe of Columbia?  eridani   Jun-25-07 10:18 PM   #172 
  - well, because, the people can vote to remove him from office if they want to.  otherlander   Jun-26-07 06:08 PM   #210 
  - Look at the full name of the Nazi party  knight_of_the_star   Jun-27-07 02:39 PM   #218 
     - ThatS been tried here before. Nazis were not Socialists.  Judi Lynn   Jun-27-07 04:47 PM   #219 
     - Depends on how far left you go  knight_of_the_star   Jun-29-07 02:31 AM   #232 
        - Informed opinions are legitimate. Take time to have a grasp of the subject. n/t  Judi Lynn   Jun-29-07 02:48 AM   #233 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-29-07 12:18 PM   #236 
     - And of course we should just take everything the nazis say at face value right?  MN Against Bush   Jun-28-07 11:42 AM   #230 
        - Just pointing out how Fatherland and Socialism can be in the same place  knight_of_the_star   Jun-29-07 02:29 AM   #231 
           - The Nazis claimed a lot of things, but I don't believe everything they claimed  MN Against Bush   Jun-29-07 11:24 AM   #235 
              - Except he's moving in a direction that's very dangerous  knight_of_the_star   Jun-29-07 12:20 PM   #237 
                 - Can you name me another country which would not have shut down a station advocating a violent coup?  MN Against Bush   Jun-29-07 01:51 PM   #238 
  - Scaremongering?  TOJ   Jun-25-07 08:39 AM   #15 
  - There's a big difference in what you're arguing  NeedleCast   Jun-25-07 09:58 AM   #23 
     - That's funny.  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 01:02 PM   #33 
        - sad, some of these responses...  redqueen   Jun-25-07 03:16 PM   #91 
  - Bugga bugga bugga!!!!!  devilgrrl   Jun-25-07 02:06 PM   #53 
  - Sorry Hugo.  MilesColtrane   Jun-25-07 02:57 AM   #3 
  - I realize fearmongering is bad  flobee1   Jun-25-07 04:24 AM   #7 
  - Counting down...  Prophet 451   Jun-25-07 04:16 AM   #6 
  - I dont think Bush would be that retarded  flobee1   Jun-25-07 04:32 AM   #8 
  - I have a horrible feeling he would  Prophet 451   Jun-25-07 01:32 PM   #41 
  - The bushies think that they can  ProudDad   Jun-25-07 02:11 PM   #56 
  - True, about the "camps" at DU. But one camp is well-informed, and the other  Peace Patriot   Jun-25-07 08:33 AM   #14 
  - Dude, it wasn't an attempt to marginalise you  Prophet 451   Jun-25-07 01:31 PM   #40 
  - Excellent post. That sums up the situation here nicely.  Vidar   Jun-25-07 04:24 PM   #130 
  - When were you most recently in Venezuela? n/t  Tyrone Slothrop   Jun-26-07 10:55 AM   #190 
  - Thanks Peace Patriot  plasticsundance   Jun-26-07 03:30 PM   #201 
  - overly simplistic  redqueen   Jun-25-07 03:18 PM   #92 
  - Of course it's overly simplistic  Prophet 451   Jun-25-07 04:37 PM   #142 
     - my point is that just as with the media  redqueen   Jun-25-07 05:30 PM   #156 
        - Sure  Prophet 451   Jun-25-07 05:35 PM   #158 
  - I don't believe Chavez walks on water, and have spent time  sfexpat2000   Jun-26-07 02:51 PM   #200 
  - Its always far better to give your opinion on situations when you actually  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 05:02 AM   #9 
  - Adding one more: US ambassador warned Vene. Vice-Pres. Rangel of possible assassination attempt....  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 05:15 AM   #10 
  - Would you like to explain:  originalpckelly   Jun-25-07 09:48 AM   #22 
     - Ah, I'm reminded of the famous rallying cry, "Give me liberty or give me compromise!"  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 03:13 PM   #89 
  - Maybe, in 30 Years, the CIA Murderers Will Be Forced To Disclose their Current.........  Preening Fop   Jun-25-07 06:44 AM   #12 
  - I do get  Mojorabbit   Jun-25-07 09:07 AM   #16 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-25-07 09:24 AM   #17 
     - self-delete  Moochy   Jun-25-07 11:54 PM   #183 
  - AP has nothing better to do? Where are their articles on the mass graves in Colombia,  Peace Patriot   Jun-25-07 09:31 AM   #18 
  - "Fatherland" when the fuck did he become a fucking Nazi?  originalpckelly   Jun-25-07 09:33 AM   #19 
  - Oh, yeah, right, Originalpckelly, you haven't been calling Chavez a "dictator"  Peace Patriot   Jun-25-07 10:05 AM   #24 
  - Typical straw man argument  NeedleCast   Jun-25-07 11:01 AM   #25 
  - Before, everything was procedural, now it is becoming more than that.  originalpckelly   Jun-25-07 11:13 AM   #30 
  - Whipping up "nationalist" sentiments?  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 01:21 PM   #37 
     - if there is a 'true military threat'  northzax   Jun-25-07 01:31 PM   #39 
        - What? Open a history book sometime if you think the USA is not a threat  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 01:54 PM   #46 
        - "military'  northzax   Jun-25-07 02:00 PM   #50 
           - As I said, just open any history book. n/t  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 02:38 PM   #76 
              - can you recommend a history book  northzax   Jun-25-07 03:12 PM   #87 
                 - What Latin American "strongmen" in the past have acted like Chavez?  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 03:30 PM   #98 
                    - why, not a single one!  northzax   Jun-25-07 03:39 PM   #103 
                       - What "rogues gallery" of history are you referring to?  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 03:47 PM   #108 
                       - Chavez didn't change the constitution of Venezuela  eridani   Jun-25-07 10:36 PM   #174 
                          - oh, well in that case  northzax   Jun-25-07 11:18 PM   #179 
                             - By the Venezuelan constitution, any government in office has the power  eridani   Jun-26-07 12:37 AM   #185 
                                - sorry to correct such a noted scholar  northzax   Jun-26-07 11:00 AM   #191 
                                   - Would you be good enough to provide a source for your claim  Judi Lynn   Jun-26-07 11:58 AM   #192 
                                   - But reaction to the 1989 event is the foundation of his support n/t  eridani   Jun-26-07 01:30 PM   #197 
                                   - Actually he was arrested in 1989 on suspicion of plotting a coup  pschoeb   Jun-28-07 10:54 AM   #229 
        - Spend some time learning about American policy and history in Latin America.  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 03:30 PM   #99 
           - ok, fine, you are right  northzax   Jun-25-07 04:04 PM   #117 
              - What an odd post! First, are you saying there IS no threat?  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 06:37 PM   #160 
  - the fact that he rules by decree?  northzax   Jun-25-07 01:28 PM   #38 
     - "he is creating a hyper-militarized state"  ProudDad   Jun-25-07 02:22 PM   #61 
        - oh right, you got me  northzax   Jun-25-07 03:09 PM   #86 
           - And what's a 3000% difference in military spending per capita when  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 03:19 PM   #93 
           - the words 'Juan Peron' come to mind  northzax   Jun-25-07 03:36 PM   #102 
              - If Castro and Peron are your bogeymen, color me less than  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 03:49 PM   #110 
                 - if Castro and Peron are your heros  northzax   Jun-25-07 04:08 PM   #120 
                    - Who said they were my heroes?  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 04:22 PM   #129 
           - Chavez was the victim of a coup  ProudDad   Jun-25-07 10:55 PM   #177 
  - I doubt that they had English on their banners.  roody   Jun-25-07 11:06 AM   #26 
  - Who came up with "Homeland Security"?  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 01:15 PM   #36 
  - I don't see any difference, and I think they're both designed to stir nationalist feelings.  originalpckelly   Jun-25-07 02:29 PM   #67 
     - And how many Democrats voted for "Homeland Security"?  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 02:50 PM   #79 
  - I know you already made up your mind long ago  Flanker   Jun-25-07 01:58 PM   #48 
  - He's a nazi in every Associated Press article...  devilgrrl   Jun-25-07 02:09 PM   #55 
  - Well, it's supposedly a banner, which I can't find a single AP photo of  pschoeb   Jun-25-07 06:33 PM   #159 
  - I think it is time to plan a DU meetup in Venezuela. eom  roody   Jun-25-07 11:09 AM   #27 
  - I'd love that! Dying to see Caracas  sfexpat2000   Jun-25-07 01:11 PM   #35 
     - I would have thought the meeting would be held here  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 01:35 PM   #42 
        - Why not? Then, I'd get to see schools where children are fed  sfexpat2000   Jun-25-07 01:38 PM   #43 
        - well, its all there for you to see.  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 01:49 PM   #45 
           - False comparison. Really, Bacchus, you can do better.  sfexpat2000   Jun-25-07 02:04 PM   #52 
           - you're kidding or you' ve never been there  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 02:19 PM   #58 
           - But the current policy in Caracas and in Sao Paolo  sfexpat2000   Jun-25-07 02:22 PM   #60 
              - what is the current policy? drugs and crime  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 02:36 PM   #72 
           - Really?  ProudDad   Jun-25-07 02:24 PM   #63 
              - I'm trying to be nice. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jun-25-07 02:34 PM   #71 
                 - Worth a try.  ProudDad   Jun-25-07 10:58 PM   #178 
           - Well there are tours of these areas  Flanker   Jun-25-07 02:08 PM   #54 
              - aprovecha!!  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 02:20 PM   #59 
              - Let's do our own.  roody   Jun-25-07 08:03 PM   #164 
        - Daly City, CA -- just outside of San Francisco  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 01:59 PM   #49 
        - never been there, been to Caracas several times though  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 02:01 PM   #51 
        - Yes  ProudDad   Jun-25-07 02:25 PM   #65 
        - maybe a meetup in Daly City is more appropriate then  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 02:37 PM   #74 
        - Joking, yes?  junior college   Jun-26-07 08:17 PM   #214 
        - Was when my family lived there. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jun-25-07 02:32 PM   #69 
        - Was there abject poverty in Venzuela before Chavez?  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 02:36 PM   #73 
           - absolutely, and there still is  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 02:37 PM   #75 
              - What makes Chavez's political enemies in Venezuela preferable  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 02:41 PM   #77 
                 - political enemies??? how about an alternative to authoritarianism  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 02:44 PM   #78 
                    - So fighting poverty is OK, just as long as it's not "heavy handed"?  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 02:52 PM   #80 
                       - fighting poverty is fine  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 03:01 PM   #83 
                          - Why is it the same for Chavez?  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 03:08 PM   #85 
                             - I don't get all the adoration  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 03:31 PM   #100 
                                - Bush has stacked the Supreme Court, Bush rules by signing statements,  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 03:59 PM   #113 
                                   - but obviously you must be ok with that  northzax   Jun-25-07 04:10 PM   #121 
                                   - What I'm saying is, don't you have anything better to do than get up  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 04:16 PM   #126 
                                      - he doesn't need to, now does he?  northzax   Jun-25-07 04:18 PM   #127 
                                         - At least he asked the legislature first.  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 04:24 PM   #131 
                                            - again, if all you have is a 'slightly better than Bush'  northzax   Jun-25-07 04:28 PM   #135 
                                            - What I have is that his methods of consolidating power are slightly  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 04:32 PM   #137 
                                            - consolidating power in one person is always troublesome  northzax   Jun-25-07 04:33 PM   #139 
                                            - It depends on how much power the executive already has.  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 04:43 PM   #144 
                                            - ok, that's sensible (who knew, after all this we are still capable of sense!)  northzax   Jun-25-07 04:56 PM   #149 
                                            - Well, in that sense populist leaders like Chavez typically end up becoming  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 05:10 PM   #154 
                                   - all of our domestic email and phone calls monitored  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 04:10 PM   #122 
                                      - Is Padilla still being held as an enemy combatant or not?  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 04:19 PM   #128 
                                         - not really, besides the government could simply monitor  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 04:27 PM   #134 
                                            - When was Padilla's trial? Do you even know what habeas corpus means?  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 04:30 PM   #136 
                                               - I don't know, again you are so interested in  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 04:36 PM   #141 
                                               - Your posts speak for themselves.  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 04:47 PM   #145 
        - Your link is broken. I spent some years there, 4-8 and am curious.  sfexpat2000   Jun-25-07 02:31 PM   #68 
        - You are attempting to pull a fast one on DU'ers by pretending this level of poverty  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 04:01 PM   #115 
  - The M$M will relabel it an "insurgency"  treestar   Jun-25-07 11:11 AM   #29 
  - Chavez has no intention of EVER stepping down.  Bo   Jun-25-07 01:46 PM   #44 
  - You sound just like a Republican during the FDR administration.  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 01:55 PM   #47 
  - gee, seems like at the time  northzax   Jun-25-07 03:15 PM   #90 
     - Learn some history, please!  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 03:27 PM   #96 
     - then talk about the right thing  northzax   Jun-25-07 03:43 PM   #105 
     - It happens to be the right of the Venezuelan people to change their own constitution  eridani   Jun-25-07 10:45 PM   #175 
     - Nope your history is faulty  ProudDad   Jun-25-07 11:20 PM   #180 
  - Do you have any proof  ProudDad   Jun-25-07 02:26 PM   #66 
  - the burden of proof, historically  northzax   Jun-25-07 03:19 PM   #94 
     - He was elected in December 1988, inaugurated February 2, 1999.  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 03:42 PM   #104 
        - as you no doubt know  northzax   Jun-25-07 03:58 PM   #112 
           - He did not serve as Venzuela's President during 1998. How is that hard to grasp?  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 04:03 PM   #116 
           - he was, in fact elected in 1998, yes?  northzax   Jun-25-07 04:07 PM   #118 
              - He didn't take office until February 2, 1999. That's not my fact, it's THE fact. n/t  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 04:54 PM   #147 
                 - and US presidents don't take office until January of the next year  northzax   Jun-25-07 05:02 PM   #153 
           - Wow, a whole year added, and term limits added as well  pschoeb   Jun-25-07 07:41 PM   #162 
           - Why do you think he won't? n/t  eridani   Jun-25-07 10:46 PM   #176 
  - Do you have any other predictions you'd like to share  sfexpat2000   Jun-25-07 02:33 PM   #70 
  - SU EXCELLENCIA will be there until the revolution succeeds. lol  Bo   Jun-25-07 04:01 PM   #114 
     - Yep. Much better to stop trying and resign yourself to a highly stratified  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 04:12 PM   #124 
  - I LOVE IT that you can see into the future. You are AMAZING!  PassingFair   Jun-26-07 05:04 PM   #206 
     - We are honored to have one of them amungus! They're so evolved. n/t  Judi Lynn   Jun-26-07 05:18 PM   #208 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-25-07 03:00 PM   #82 
  - No, see, it's not the left they have a problem with.  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 03:03 PM   #84 
  - bingo. n/t  redqueen   Jun-25-07 03:20 PM   #95 
  - aw, that's cute  northzax   Jun-25-07 03:27 PM   #97 
  - I often have the same question of Castro and Chavez supporters frankly  Bacchus39   Jun-25-07 03:33 PM   #101 
  - Once again, all of your arguments were used by Republicans against FDR.  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 03:43 PM   #106 
  - terrible or benevolent dictator is a point of opinion  northzax   Jun-25-07 03:47 PM   #107 
     - What about it? How was this different from Poppy & Sons or Bill & Hill?  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 04:08 PM   #119 
        - ahh, speaking of GOP arguements  northzax   Jun-25-07 04:11 PM   #123 
           - You didn't answer my question. How is what Peron did any different from  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 04:25 PM   #132 
              - you mean when he was ineligible to run  northzax   Jun-25-07 04:32 PM   #138 
                 - Yes, Poppy has nothing to do with BushCo.  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 04:35 PM   #140 
                    - are you sure you are?  northzax   Jun-25-07 04:42 PM   #143 
                       - Yeah, right!  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 04:49 PM   #146 
                          - ah, another good revolutionary point  northzax   Jun-25-07 04:57 PM   #150 
                             - Is it OK if I just find it a bit gullible of someone to believe that the  mhatrw   Jun-25-07 05:16 PM   #155 
  - You should really find out what the Bolivarian Revolution is about  ProudDad   Jun-25-07 11:22 PM   #181 
  - It wasn't too long ago we had a visitor from the right-wing message board,  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 03:47 PM   #109 
  - but the process isn't important  northzax   Jun-25-07 04:14 PM   #125 
     - But you don't make sense, do you? Most of us know what Pinochet did. n/t  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 04:55 PM   #148 
        - shouldn't matter  northzax   Jun-25-07 05:01 PM   #152 
           - Who was it above that was talking about  Andrushka   Jun-25-07 11:45 PM   #182 
           - Instead of pulling your "facts" from the same dark place  ProudDad   Jun-27-07 09:03 PM   #228 
  - No, Chavez non-fans are Democrats because...they're Americans who support the Democratic party  brentspeak   Jun-25-07 08:10 PM   #166 
  - Ooooh! The Associated Press said it - it must be TRUE!!!!!!!  devilgrrl   Jun-25-07 03:13 PM   #88 
  - Yeah. Whatever they say about a leader the right-wing hates is true.  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 03:49 PM   #111 
  - I seem to remember one Alberto Fujimori, Pres.of Peru  Bo   Jun-25-07 04:26 PM   #133 
  - Last week he claimed he just may be considering running for office in Japan!  Judi Lynn   Jun-25-07 04:58 PM   #151 
  - "psychological warfare, media warfare, political warfare, economic warfare.""  ohio2007   Jun-25-07 05:32 PM   #157 
  - "Dressed in olive green fatigues and a red beret"... Suprised he didn't wear a  Endangered Specie   Jun-25-07 07:50 PM   #163 
  - Chavez really was a soldier, not just for dress up.  roody   Jun-25-07 08:06 PM   #165 
     - He's the real thing.  ozone_man   Jun-25-07 08:50 PM   #167 
        - Chavez to head to Russia, Belarus, Iran, in latest bid to heckle US  ohio2007   Jun-25-07 10:30 PM   #173 
           - There's a lot of the showman in Chavez.  Matilda   Jun-26-07 12:24 AM   #184 
           - So uh  sanskritwarrior   Jun-26-07 12:56 AM   #186 
              - When do we get to the bit about having to pre-emptively attack?  Nihil   Jun-26-07 07:41 AM   #188 
              - I'm quaking in my boots at the Venezuelan threat.  High Plains   Jun-26-07 10:42 AM   #189 
              - OHMYGOD, his missiles will be able to go almost 300 km!!!  mhatrw   Jun-27-07 02:30 PM   #217 
  - Mission Accomplished was bad but "Fatherland, Socialism, or Death! We will triumph!"is good?  rinsd   Jun-26-07 12:14 PM   #193 
  - How about "Give me liberty or give me death?" How is that wildly different?  Judi Lynn   Jun-26-07 12:26 PM   #194 
  - You do know what the word Patriot actually means, don't you?  pschoeb   Jun-26-07 01:11 PM   #195 
  - I have no problem with the word Fatherland.  rinsd   Jun-26-07 01:24 PM   #196 
     - Where did he say anything about impending real war.  pschoeb   Jun-26-07 02:36 PM   #198 
        - "I don't see any overt "militarism","  rinsd   Jun-26-07 02:40 PM   #199 
           - Patriotic slogans are the norm on independance days/ memorial day  pschoeb   Jun-26-07 03:35 PM   #202 
           - Clinton & Esienhower in jackets is the best you got?  rinsd   Jun-26-07 03:52 PM   #203 
              - Actually Washington did,,and actually personally commanded troops against  pschoeb   Jun-26-07 04:56 PM   #205 
              - In battle is quite a different thing than an independence day celebration  rinsd   Jun-26-07 06:08 PM   #211 
                 - Yeah, It would have been better if Washington wore his uniform on independence day  pschoeb   Jun-26-07 07:31 PM   #213 
              - I'm waiting for the concern over Filipe Claderon, of Mexico  pschoeb   Jun-26-07 05:56 PM   #209 
                 - You have a picture of this? Because I couldn't find one.  rinsd   Jun-27-07 04:53 PM   #220 
                    - That country is obligated to protect itself. It's not up to you to determine whether or not there's  Judi Lynn   Jun-27-07 05:34 PM   #221 
                    - Here you go  pschoeb   Jun-27-07 06:23 PM   #222 
                       - So your excuse for Chavez is that Calderon and Bush did it too.  rinsd   Jun-27-07 06:41 PM   #223 
                       - Actually I never said Calderon wearing a uniform was bad  pschoeb   Jun-27-07 07:39 PM   #224 
                       - So Caldern opted for the five star General's chapeau! Excellent choice!  Judi Lynn   Jun-27-07 08:29 PM   #226 
           - Other countries seem to be in error in not consulting your whim on how to conduct their business.  Judi Lynn   Jun-26-07 04:46 PM   #204 
  - No, try this:  PassingFair   Jun-26-07 05:08 PM   #207 
  - Just found a fascinating little video, around 8 minutes long, on the coup attempt  Judi Lynn   Jun-26-07 06:13 PM   #212 
  - He has seen what we have done in the past  gorbal   Jun-27-07 09:46 AM   #215 
  - Sounds like somebody told him about Haiti?  MetaTrope   Jun-27-07 11:42 AM   #216 
  - I really don't understand why Chavez still thinks Bush will attack him  OldschoolDem   Jun-27-07 08:17 PM   #225 
     - Spend more time reading about the subject. You need to get some background.  Judi Lynn   Jun-27-07 08:32 PM   #227 
 

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